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  • IndyGal35
    IndyGal35 Member Posts: 340
    edited November 2015

    ME - hooray for finishing rads!!!!!!!!

    Bekah, it's nice to have you back on the boards! I agree with everyone, this is THE place to go if you have worries, questions, or just want to vent.

    Someone, I think it was here, posted an article about BC patients that end up with PTSD after treatment. Well, the sight of egg drop soup made me sick at a buffet recently. (I ate a ton of it during chemo since it was low flavor, soft, and had protein.) I could barely eat anything after that, and I felt nauseated for several hurs afterwards. It's so weird that my brain is kind of conditioned to get nauseated when I see it now. Anyone else having weird reactions like that to stuff?

  • Jackbirdie
    Jackbirdie Member Posts: 4,693
    edited November 2015

    Lee- that's great! About finishing rads, not getting sick at the sight of soup.

    Congratulations on finishing rads! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎈🎈🎈🎉🎉🎉💃💃💃💃💃

  • Meme117
    Meme117 Member Posts: 194
    edited November 2015

    I'm so happy I don't have to get ready and go for radiation tomorrow, I can't believe how relieved I feel.

    I just read this n someone's blog and find it so profound

    and the world cannot be discovered by a journey of miles, no matter how long, but only by a spiritual journey, a journey of one inch, very arduous and humbling and JOYFUL, by which we arrive at the ground at our own feet, and learn to be at home." Wendell Berry

  • shaz101
    shaz101 Member Posts: 718
    edited November 2015

    bekah. So good to hear from you. I hear you on the fatigue. I'm back at work but I can't manage a full day as yet. I feel like the world is in fast forward and I'm on slow mode.

  • slothabouttown
    slothabouttown Member Posts: 449
    edited November 2015

    Congrats to everyone putting rads and chemo behind them. Bravo and congratulations!!! Lee, I believe the PTSD theory, it comes up for me at odd times, with a food trigger like Sabra hummus which I made the mistake of taking to chemo as a snack one day. Sometimes when I just think about the whole chemo experience I feel the anxiety and it surprises me because I felt lucky and like I breezed through the process compared to a lot of women on here, but I guess it took more of a toll and left more mental residue than I realized.

    Heading back to Portland tomorrow after the Pittsburgh conference and a quick stop in Indy to see sister and brother. So far no LE, but its incredibly frustrating to have a hot flash on the runway while compressed in every manner by a series of sleeves, tanks, gauntlets etc. All while noxious jet fuel-laced recycled air distributes everyone's germs evenly about the cabin.

    What do you all do about the TSA screening? Do you go through the xray unit or ask for a pat down? I went through the unit on the way out but I'm remembering reading something about avoiding them after radiation. It did show some "suspicious areas" in the vicinity of my mx so I ended up getting a pat down anyway which makes me think ill request to skip the extra dose of radiation tomorrow.

  • Leighrh
    Leighrh Member Posts: 317
    edited November 2015

    Checkin in too....

    Bekah, I hate that you are still struggling. Hopefully with the end of Herceptin you will come around the corner. I hear ya on all things, I really feel great but all the fatigue and such catches up with me and i have crying spells for no reason. They don't last long though. My libido is also not NEAR where it was, but I too fake it till I make it! LOL I am determined not to sacrifice that part of me to this shit show. Practice makes perfect and I am determined to get back to where I once was even though I know it will take time!

    Today is 14 of 30 with rads... so far so good, was a little pink but it faded over the weekend. I hear that this week might be the week symptoms show so i am crossing my fingers that mine are minimal!


  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited November 2015

    Yes, Theresa, that was the article. I thought the same thing. To me 7 sisters is an obvious genetic component so I was surprised to see people commenting on their diet, too. I saw my manicurist yesterday and she commented on giving up milk. I just cut her off. I wasn't having the conversation. EVERYONE thinks they know what causes it…until they get it.

    As an FYI, my manicurist DID have it. And her sister and her daughter. They were all from Ukraine so she thinks it was Chernobyl.

  • Jackbirdie
    Jackbirdie Member Posts: 4,693
    edited November 2015

    Maryellen- so glad you got to have that feeling.

    Sloth- hope you are home safe in your own bed soon. We've missed you! Your description of the hot flash sounded truly frightening. I think I would have had to pop a clonazepam.

    Allison- after you mentioned that article I searched on it. Just amazing. They mentioned the coal mine they grew up near. I felt so bad for them as the first one I think was dxd stage IV in the 90s I think? I had this vision that BC was a sniper and they were one by one just waiting to get picked off. How awful! It seems environmental considerations are being taken more seriously. And the idea that there are many more genetic connections that they just haven't made yet. I believe it on the Chernobyl thing. A strong possibility. But I so agree everyone has an idea and they want to share. I just have to have them talk to the hand, ugh.

    Sharon- did you take vanna out for another adventure? How's the exercise? Mine is spotty, but I've been getting it done some of the time. Hope your energy continues to improve.

    Leigh- so glad to hear rads is going okay. And you keep fighting to keep your bad self going girl! Proud of ya!!

    It's raining here again. It's so nice to hear at night. I sleep with the screened door open and can hear it. Then I hear the roosters and sheep on a nearby farm. Don't think I'll be walking today. But maybe I'll have fewer hot flashes.

  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited November 2015

    I posted the following in a few forums, so if you see a duplicate post, just ignore.

    Garth pics. We got a limo, went in style! Cheryl on left, Pam on right, and my big drunk ass on the far right. After one year of no drinking, you can bet I was feeling no pain! Cheryl is my bike riding buddy, Pam has been my bestie since 2007. The coat makes me look fatter than I am, even though I'm not skinny but any means. Always a disclaimer, lol!

    image

    I always look at the wrong spot on a cell phone when taking pics.

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    My daughter Jeanna, completely, totally drunk off her ass. Well, I was too - oops!

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    And the man, Garth Brooks. The show was amazing. We stood and danced for the entire 2 and 1/2 hour concert!

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  • SueH58
    SueH58 Member Posts: 632
    edited November 2015

    bpoi - was it you that was so exhausted after starting your AI? (Forgive me if I have you confused). I started mine today. I refuse to have side effects :-|

  • slothabouttown
    slothabouttown Member Posts: 449
    edited November 2015

    Theresa way to party girl! Your daughter's curly curly hair is awesome!

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited November 2015

    Party on, T!

    I can tell it's a hot flash rather than the heat coming on if my reading glasses steam up.

  • pboi
    pboi Member Posts: 663
    edited November 2015

    Looks like you all had a great time, thanks for sharing Theresa!

    Sue- its hard to say. I started my Lupron and AI about a week apart. Thatwas also the same time as my last week of rads. I suspect my fatigue and exhaustion was due to the end of rads. It lasted about 2 weeks then I was much better. I had an increase in headaches the first week or two of Lupron/AI but that's gone now. The mild joint aches I have didn't come on until 2 months later. And I continue to struggle with insomnia. I hate the side effects, but am thankful they are mild and tolerable. Hoping that you will not have any side effects, I've heard many don't.

    PB

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited November 2015

    Theresa: Sounds like a great time! You DESERVE it.

    Here's to no side effects on the hormone blockers. My manicurist says her 5 years is almost done. I said isn't it ten years? I haven't read much about it yet. Just need to survive this phase first (rads). I made an appointment with my dermatologist because the RO is out of her league on my itching. She is talking about antifungals and other nonsense which I know is wrong. She is trying though. I had a feeling so I went ahead and scheduled it before I got my daily zap. She definitely wants me to go back to 4 this week. 10 more to go.

    Katy: I love when you describe the picture of your screen door and the rain. You should be a writer.


  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited November 2015

    trvler - length of time on anti-hormonals is dependent on a number of factors.  Some docs are recommending 10 years on Tamoxifen, but the data is not in yet on that length of time for aromatase inhibitor drugs, so it depends on which drug your manicurist is on.  Some docs are not sold yet on the benefit of Tamoxifen for 10 years either - it is yet another of those doctor philosophy things.  It actually is possible that you have a fungal situation from rads. If you have open skin, even tiny cracks that you can't see, you can have fungal spores take root there and multiply - particularly if this is in a fold of skin - or an area that is skin to skin.  This is one reason some people wear a thin tank under their bra during rads so areas of the skin can't touch each other and create an environment that is prone to fungal issues.  They can usually swab the area and look at it under a scope to determine the cause - even if it is an allergic reaction, or inflammation.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited November 2015

    I feel very strongly it is allergic. I can't remember if I told you guys (I probably did) but I had a similar reaction to a tanning bed 30 years ago. Had to go to the ER and get two Benedryl shots. AFter that, I never went back and always applied sunscreen diligently but if I don't, I get the same kind of reaction.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited November 2015
    Trvler - you are the best judge, particularly if you have history with this type of reaction. I wanted to mention the fungal possibility for anyone who might be reading in the future.
  • shaz101
    shaz101 Member Posts: 718
    edited November 2015

    katy how are you feeling? I feel bad about not being able to check in daily. I just can't seem to catch up. I'm Still doing my running program. It's extremely hard for me now but I'm proud of myself and I'm committed to doing it. This week is 2, 3 minute runs and 2, 5 minute runs per session.

    My hot flushes at night are getting worse. Does anyone have anything that works to reduce them? I had a fan on last night, but it gave me a migraine!

    I'm at work. It's going well. Just very tiring.


  • Jackbirdie
    Jackbirdie Member Posts: 4,693
    edited November 2015

    Sharon- I have really bad hot flashes and wake up several times a night drenched in sweat also. It's a drag. Also, I seem to be more emotional (even for me!) than usual. I sleep with the screen door open and with the bed coverings arranged so I can get arms and legs out from under rapidly. I'm pretty sure it's the Tamoxifen. I started magnesium on T's advice, but I'm not sure if I'm getting the full benefit yet, however I'm seeing benefit in other areas. I'm trying to walk, and view the walking as a benefit or a reward, rather than work. Trying to reframe it in my head.

    I definitely feel better than I have lately, and am very grateful for the days I don't wake up with my stomach already in knots, or that awful feeling that dawns even before I'm fully awake, that I'm in a very dark place. That is so scary when it happens and I seem to have so little control over it.

    I told my shrink I thought it was so odd that even though I felt frustrated and sick during chemo, there was a kind of exhilarating edge to fighting cancer with everything I could throw at it. I felt physically awful, but could honestly say I felt happy and pretty stable a lot of the time. Now, I am told I am NED, and I am back to brittle rapid cycling bipolar, leaning more towards depressed than manic. Interestingly, my shrink said that was more normal than it sounded, and often brushes with death (which he said a cancer dx, major surgery and chemo qualified as) result in such dramatic reprioritizations of what is important. Which I think another way if saying us you realize you're grateful to be alive.

    Anyway. I'm doing ok. Haha.


  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited November 2015

    with hot flashes, I have found a way to prevent them, but I always carry ice cold ice water and guzzle it as soon as one starts. Cooling towel works too. It seems to break them quickly

  • eheinrich
    eheinrich Member Posts: 792
    edited November 2015

    Contacted my MO about the muscle & joint pain I've been having w/ Tamox. She wants me to stop it for a few days to see if it gets better. If it does she'll switch my meds. The pain in my hip is really bad when I stand after sitting for awhile.

  • littleblueflowers
    littleblueflowers Member Posts: 2,000
    edited November 2015

    Katy- thanks for sharing that insight! I felt exactly the same. Pretty dang happy and safe during chemo, and bouncing between ok and total sweat drenched terror and depression now. We are odd creatures lol. ((((Hugs))))also glad to hear what your shrink has to say, since I can't afford to see mine anymore...

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited November 2015

    Abdominal breathing can be helpful for hot flashes. I think there are some Japanese studies on this. I'm having some success just accepting it and meditating through it on the principle that Beddhism encourages us to sit with discomfort and notice it without getting caught up in it.

  • slothabouttown
    slothabouttown Member Posts: 449
    edited November 2015

    Eileen I had the hip pain too, it scared me to no end and I was ready to beg for a bone scan then I started taking the magnesium Theresa recommended, turmeric and fish oil and within two weeks it was gone. It's been over a month now and no hip pain. I still feel stiff and general creaky pain in the evenings but that seems more normal. I don't know if its the supplements that helped but I'm thinking so. Is your MO going to switch you to another brand of tamoxifen or another drug all together?

  • Jackbirdie
    Jackbirdie Member Posts: 4,693
    edited November 2015

    (((Jen))) we'll get you a little second hand shrink...k?

    Ks- I really had to laugh. I'm pretty sure it was a typo, but when I read Beddhism, I immediately thought, "yes! I'm totally into that" (as I'm laying in my bed with a case of ipaditis. Hee.)


  • eheinrich
    eheinrich Member Posts: 792
    edited November 2015

    Sloth, A different drug. I've been taking Magnesium. Not sure if I'm taking enough - trying to stay on this side of the poop problems. I'll look into the others.

  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited November 2015

    My way of dealing with this crap is maybe a different approach, but here goes. I don't know if any cancer cells survived. I may not know for ten years, or I may know in a few months. But until I do know, now is my normal ordinary life, and I refuse to let this bitch take one day of it away from me. I did a bunch of reading, because there is so much debate about scanning, testing, etc. and the recommendations are no pet scans, bone scans, etc. They don't make a difference. For me, with negative receptors, if this stuff comes back or goes systemic, I only have surgery and chemo. Knowing earlier won't lengthen my life, it just means I will spend more time in the fear locker. So what I choose to do is say hey, I'm here today, feeling pretty good except for random bouts of stuff like gas cancer, and until I know otherwise, I am fine. I can't change the outcome, all I can do is live each day to the fullest and cherish it. And I go back to the statistic, surgery is 70-75% curative, and I focus on that when the dark thoughts try to intrude and take over. I would rather have the time in front of me lived in ignorance, and deal with anything that happens when I have to. So let's say I get 2-3 years, and the bitch comes back. Or maybe she never left, I have no way of knowing. But I will have those years of ignorance to live my normal ordinary life.

    That doesn't mean I won't monitor, see my doctor, do what I have to. But I'm not going to push for more invasive systemic testing because it won't change what is there, I will just know about it sooner and live in fear that much longer. And I figure my body will let me know if anything is going on, and I have to have trust in that. And at the end of the day, if it does come back, then I'm back on the hamster wheel with chemo. But not before I have to be, and I am not wasting a single day in worry. My days are all about living life, eating well, exercising, doing the things that are important to me.

    And I wish that for each of you, every day lived to the fullest

  • SueH58
    SueH58 Member Posts: 632
    edited November 2015

    Theresa - Love your outlook, and I am there with you. Statistically, the majority of us will be without recurrence. So let's try to move on the best we can and enjoy today.

    Bekah - SO GOOD to hear from you. So sad you are still having issues. But you know we are all here to support you as we have always been and hope you will stick around.

    I started my AI today, and am hoping for minimal side effects.

    Oh, and Carrie, don't worry about rads--I really had minimal SEs. A bit of itching, but nothing worth worrying about.

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited November 2015

    How about when I get my mindfulness class put together, I post the readings and assignments FYI?

    ALSO: I'd love recommendations for mindfulness/intention/behavioral tracking apps, preferably free, to share with my students (and for us to share with each other). I'm in a research trial right now, in the "app now" rather than "app later" condition for Headspace, which has some free segments.

  • shaz101
    shaz101 Member Posts: 718
    edited November 2015

    hi. I'm sure I'm turning into a hyperchondriac. I can feel a hard pea in my armpit on the side where my cancer was. Is this normal? I don't want to go to the Dr about ANOTHER THING!

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