all grade 3 cancer cells go to the lymph nodes
I was recently diagonoised with IDC, I have a 5cm tumor in my left breast, ER+ PR + HER-, decided to have a bilateral mascetomy, was told I will have horome therapy, possible radiation, chemo olnly if lymph nodes are effected. I see a lot of grade 3 with lymph node involvement. Please give me your opinion.
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I have grade 1 with no nodes affected and I'm still doing chemo. With a grade 3 I'd recommend doing chemo regardless of node involvement.
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There are several factors that determine if you need chemo. The genetics of the tumor. I see you have an oncotype Dx score of 20. That's intermediate. So you fall in that dreaded "grey" area. I think what makes you a good candidate for chemo is our Ki67 percentage. Your Ki67 growth rate is considered "high". Grade 3 tumors and tumors that have a high growth rate respond very well to chemo.
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When do you get the oncotype test done? I went for a genetic test for the BRCA 1 and BRCA 2? I made another appointment to talk to the surgeon, he never indicated what happens after surgery, I am tired of just waiting around for answers, work keeps questioning how long I will be out of work. I am not planning on working if I have to have chemo. I work in an environment with a co worker who nevers covers his mouth, brings his sick kids here, and never washes his hands.... I'm just very frustrated.
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Initially my surgeon was thinking we could skip radiation. He was scheduled to present my case at their breast cancer monthly conference thing last week to get input from everyone. Anyway, the MRI indicated an enlarged lymph node. So that was biopsied, came back positive, so radiation now follows surgery.
Chemo was a given due to my age, grade, and presenting tumors. Basically they want to wipe out any cancer cells that might be circulating. I am off work during chemo due to my job duties (I work with biological samples that can be hazardous to people who are immuno-compromised) plus it's cold and flu season.
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Unfortunately you won't know about chemo or the particular's of your tumor until after surgery. I know it's hard not to be able to plan but you only have a picture of what the tumor is from the biopsy. They will have to dissect it after surgery. Usually Path reports after surgery takes about a week, then if you have the oncotype test done that takes another 2 weeks. Depending on if you have any lymph nodes affected will determine if oncotype can be done. I had 1 of 3 nodes affected and they did not offer it. But some docs will do it if you have 1-3 nodes positive.
It's a long process at first and it sucks! But after you know everything and get a plan in place then you can see the finish line!!
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Acjeffery: I had a 1.2 cm ER/PR positive grade 3 tumor with no lymph node involvement. Chemo was recommend because of the grade. I went to a specialized Cancer hospital for a second opinion and learned more than I did from the local hospital. My oncodx score was 24 so there are a lot of considerations for chemo. When deciding what to do. I decided after the second opinion that 5% was not enough for me to subject my body to chemo.
Before making any decision get a second opinion from a hospital that specialized in cancer if you are being treated at a local hospital. You will be hit with a lot of information over the next month and a second opinion will allow you to make decisions that are best for you. After I told the local Dr's that I did not want to go with chemo,. they told me that they know they would not do chemo either at this point in my cancer treatment. Protocol told them to recommend it but they really didn't have enough information to know if it would truly benefit me.
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HI there, Oddly, I am grade 3, (had two opinions, major cancer center in NY), but had no lymph nodes impacted and I ended up by Onotype a score of 11. I am 5 years out and so far fine.
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hi.stage 1B grade 3 here. Oncotype dx 15. 2 lymph nodes removed with isolated cancer cells. Chemo and rads finished almost 2 months now. Hair growing and nails looking good... Taking lots of biotin. Fingers still numb but feet are feeling better since chemo.
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A factor in the decision is also age at diagnosis--the younger, usually the more aggressive the tumor (and a grade 3 is faster-dividing); also, the more likely you are to withstand chemo.
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Your oncologist should order the oncodx test or a mammoprint you can ask for insurance to get a preapproval. The test costs about $4000.
Because you are both er and pr positive your Dr might not see the need for the test hormone therapy alone might be enough but if insurance will cover I'd ask the Dr to order it.
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Acjeffery, How are you doing since your surgery. Haven't seen you post. Hope your feeling ok.
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Just my personal experience. 6.5 years ago I had a very aggressive multifocal triple negative tumor, biggest extension out of the dcis was 2 cm. I had no lymphatic invasion and no vascular invasion, not a single cancer cell in the lymph nodes. So it is possible to have a high grade cancer that isn't found in the lymph nodes.
I had a right prophylactic mastectomy the year after my left triple negative mastectomy. On the right we found various types and grades of dcis but good margins. 5 years later, a single node (nothing local) on the dcis side is found with a not aggressive highly hormone positive cancer...in other words, not the cancer you would expect to go to the node. I had it removed and it appeared to just sit in that one nood, didn't move to other nodes or break out of the node...
I think cancers with certain characteristics are more like to behave in certain ways, but at the end of the day, cancer is unpredictable and that is part of what makes it cancer.
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