I had Lymph node transplant surgery last weekend

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  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited September 2015

    Nordy, hugs coming from Michigan, too! I hope DH has brought you some earplugs to help tune out the roommate's snoring. Best wishes going forward, and thank you for reporting in.

  • ahdjdbcjdjdbkf
    ahdjdbcjdjdbkf Member Posts: 645
    edited September 2015

    I'm encouraged by these stories and I truly do seem to be doing a bit better overall right now with my arm. I hoping this trend continues. It has been 6 months since my VLNT surgery now.

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited September 2015

    Very encouraged to see posts. We don't do these surgerys in Canada yet as we still are old fashioned. We tend do do treatments still from travelling salesmen and such selling snake oil etc. I wish we would get with the times!
    Was curious about LE surgery and phoned the other day to a Seattle DR. Office was kind enough to quote me 56,000 dollars USA funds. oTher surgeon offices wanted to see me first before a quote. With my weak dollar this surgery will have to wait a few years if at all. Well I still can dream can't I?

    Anyone hear on Nordy's progress? Mariasnow, How long did the docs give you till full function of LE arm? Thanks for your update.
  • Christine2000
    Christine2000 Member Posts: 176
    edited September 2015

    Hi all--

    its been about 4 months since my VLNT surgery. My forearm goes up and down (not within a huge range) but my upper arm is getting smaller and smaller--my Dr thinks this is a good sign that the lymph nodes are starting to work. I still wear my sleeve during the day and a ready wrap at night.

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited October 2015

    As an update - I am out of the hospital and hanging with some friends on Long Island... I can't remember what I wrote last time, so am backing out to check!

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited October 2015

    Aussie - that was a funny story... except where you broke your teeth! Yikes! Glad you are doing better!

    Okay, this will be short and sweet because it literally hurts my brain to type one handed with my non dominant hand! For short, I am:

    1. Out of the hospital resting at a friend's on Long Island

    2. Have a mild infection at the recipient site, which the doctor thankfully changed my antibiotics for (the other one just doesn't sit well with me and made my back break out!). Now keeping a close eye on it in case i need to go in for IV antibiotics

    3. My arm is already softer at both the triceps area and the wrist and even though it is still swollen and too soon to know about the success of the surgery, hand is also smaller. it is important to note that I have also had my arm elevated the past week, so these results can also be from that.

    4. I am only allowed to lightly wrap my hand and fingers at this point in time

    5. Pain is being controlled well with Tylenol during the day and oxycodone occasionally at night ------ but mostly for sleeping.

    That is about it! Thank you for your positive energy!

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited October 2015

    Nordy, thanks for the great update, and here's another bucket of positive energy coming your way.....!

  • Dejaboo
    Dejaboo Member Posts: 2,916
    edited October 2015

    Thanks for the update Nordy!

    I hope the infection is improving....And that when you get to put your arm down...The swelling stays at bay

  • ahdjdbcjdjdbkf
    ahdjdbcjdjdbkf Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2015

    I was to wait around 6 months before doing weight-bearing exercises of more than 10 lbs. I have finally passed that mark and excited about doing more planks!

  • Jules40
    Jules40 Member Posts: 1
    edited October 2015

    Story on CBS News in NY about doing lymph node transplant after mastectomies and lymph node removal; one stop shopping!...also a very positive outlook on post-surgical transplant...very hopeful....

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited October 2015

    Maria, from less than ten pounds to planks...that's a huge jump in resistance. Maybe do some wall pushups, slowly moving your feet away from the wall, to add resistance gradually and work up to a plank?

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited October 2015

    Here is an update this morning!

    1. Infection is much better with change in antibiotics. No redness at surgical site at all.

    2. Drain in forearm was removed on Friday. The drain site is currently still oozing blood, and i am a little concerned since the flap area is also slightly purple, although it is still has good temp to touch. Hubby thinks it is bruising from drain removal and blood accumulation.

    3. Keeping my arm elevated while walking around without any kind of support is exhausting. Hence, i have been doing a lot of sitting with my arm elevated.

    4. This week I have learned to get dressed, go to the bathroom, button pants, blow dry and flat iron my hair all with my non-dominant hand.

    5. People will part the sea for you walking around with a pillow under your arm in Manhattan, but heaven forbid anyone look up from their phone long enough to offer you a seat on the train or subway.

    And that is it for now. I am about to put a call out to the doctor's office in regard to the oozing!

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited October 2015

    Just so excited for you and funny about how we are all so glued to those phones in the subway...so true!

    Thank you so much for the progress and for blazing the trail for us folks. Would love to hear how your healing is going along in your journey. Don't forget about us. Drink water....it's good for everything

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited October 2015

    Nordy, great, great report, and I'm feeling optimistic for you! I'm in the same life-with-non-dominant-hand mode. I don't know if you have ever needed to wear compression shirts, but if you do, and IF you (like me) are not able to don an over-the-head garment, the kind Margaret at GO Travelwear will make a zip-up compression tee on request.
  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited October 2015

    Hugz --- I am definitely drinking lots of water! Thank you for the reminder!

    Carol --- I currently only need compression at the groin donor site, but thank you for the tip on the tops!

    Today I have my 2 week post op with the doc. I hope I will get my groin drain pulled and get to travel home! I miss my kids tremendously! Plus, if I don't get home soon my daughter will end up faltering in math! It is hard to explain decimals and exponents over the phone! I a also hoping some of my elevation restrictions will be lifted! It is really exhausting keeping my arm up! As for everything else... the donor site incision looks good and the drain is putting out less than 10cc per day. The recipient site has bruising since they removed that drain, but still normal temp, so crossing my fingers that everything is alive and well in there. I am rarely taking anything for pain --- I tend to have a high pain tolerance, plus I just hate having to take meds.

    I will say that this surgery is not a walk in the park -- neither emotionally nor physically. I am hoping at some point I will be able to look at this and say with 100% certainty that I did the right thing. Right now, I just have to put my faith in the expert hands of my doctor and in God that all will continue to heal well.... For someone who is extremely analytical and likes to be in control of everything (yes, I will admit it), having faith is a difficult thing to do. But I do know that despite my best efforts and being 100% compliant with wrapping, skin care and compression use, my arm progressed (thanks to a large part of a reaction to MRI contrast) nearly to the point of no return. Anyway... fingers crossed for an uneventful appointment and clearance to go home!

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited October 2015

    Nordy, you have lots of women 'out here' whose fingers are also crossed on your behalf. Your best efforts are extraordinary, and knowing you're so focused on your care, the odds are surely in your favor.

    Thanks for the update, and I hope you get to wing your way home soon.

  • ahdjdbcjdjdbkf
    ahdjdbcjdjdbkf Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2015

    I'm not going too overboard on the exercise. Using my knees a lot for planks of just getting in position and holding for a few seconds. I will be careful though!

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited October 2015

    I know that many women are monitoring this thread as they mull over whether to consider one of the surgical LE treatments. At the recent World Congress of Lymphology, there were many presentations and discussions of the surgical techniques in use. I was stunned at the many differences in approach currently being used, and on the surgeons' wide differences of opinion on the best surgical practices. Some of them had trouble hiding their disdain for their colleagues' methods, even.

    I took notes at the conference and this morning (finally!) finished spiffing them up to share. If you want to see what I captured from the presentations, here's a link to my dropbox file:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/l3ymqvawn3n6edh/Carol%27...

    I have sooooo much respect for everyone in our LE forum who has had the surgery or is considering doing it, as I can tell that nobody is taking that approach lightly. I have to say that after seeing the surgeons' presentations at the WCOL, I was left feeling that it's more of a buyer-beware world of LE surgery than any of us would wish, complicating the very notion of choosing a surgeon and a procedure, and then making the tough decision of whether to go forward.

    If you look at my notes, you'll see that I have expressed my worries that there's not enough collaboration going on to lead us to consensus best practices. I guess in the end, I was encouraged, but very wary. My LE is nowhere advanced enough to make me consider surgery, but of course I cannot rule out a downhill slide in my future. Hats off to all of you who have made the decision to give it a try, and honestly I think the information being passed from patient to patient about choices and results is every bit as valuable as what the surgeons disclosed in their peer-to-peer forum. Maybe more so. I'm sharing my notes in the spirit of more information means better decisions, so even if you disagree with my interpretations, I hope those considering surgery will find value in the many surgeons' presentation details I was able to summarize in my notes.

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited October 2015

    Carol --- Thank you so much for your summary. You put so much time into it! You are the best!

  • Katiejane
    Katiejane Member Posts: 789
    edited October 2015

    I too, had a LNT with Dr. Massey in Charleston, SC on August 25th. It is much too early to say it has been effective but my arm measurements have decreased. Whether this will be permanent, who knows. I had the surgery due to recurrent cellulitis/sepsis/infection. Time will tell. I don't expect a miracle here but hopefully it will decrease the incidents of infection!

    Nordy, keep us posted! Katiejane

  • cider8
    cider8 Member Posts: 832
    edited October 2015

    interesting read, Carol! Thank you!


  • ALittleBitBritish
    ALittleBitBritish Member Posts: 627
    edited October 2015

    Thank you Carol :)

  • AussieElaine
    AussieElaine Member Posts: 64
    edited October 2015

    Nordy, Maria glad you are both doing well. I have also been increasing my weights at the gym, I do bodypump and have 2.5kg on each side of the bar..only for the squats and back tracks though. My arm is looking really good after my LVA surgery it no longer looks like a popeye arm. The skin is much softer and I couldn't be more pleased. I have my Skype follow up appointment with the surgeons from Oxford tomorrow night so I will let you all know how it goes.

  • kriserts
    kriserts Member Posts: 224
    edited October 2015

    Nordy, thanks for the detailed update. For some reason, I imagined the surgery would be a lot easier, and wouldn't constitute much down time. I didn't even consider there might be drains (duh) and that they'd be in for so long. All good to know.

  • ahdjdbcjdjdbkf
    ahdjdbcjdjdbkf Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2015

    AussieElaine, Great news. I will chime in that my recovery from LVA was long and difficult and I had drains. It isn't for everyone - especially those who really need to guard their immune systems (oh wait, I'm one of those ;-). I'm still glad I took the action I did.

  • AussieElaine
    AussieElaine Member Posts: 64
    edited October 2015

    Thanks Maria. Well I had my appointment last night and the surgeon is very pleased with my progress so far. He did advise me to keep wearing the compression sleeve for at least another six months especially since we are coming into summer here. Since I had dermal back flow stage 3 a complete cure is unlikely for me but he did stress that if they can catch it earlier then a cure is really possible. I may be garment free in the future so I am trying to think positively😁. He also said he had attended a conference in the UK last week and a dr there had completed some research into how much pressure the lymph vessels can take during MLD and what was interesting is that they can withstand 80 mmHg and the most pressure that can be applied with the fingers/hands is only 20mmHg. He advised Maddy (my LEPT) to not be afraid to massage quite firmly towards my scars. I have another appointment in January so we will see what summer does. On the downside I have developed mild truncal LE thanks radiation😩 I must admit I am so tired of all this and feel the universe is telling me that no matter what I do to try and help myself it's pointless 

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited October 2015

    Maria --- I thought you had LNT, not LVA... I am confused... LOL!

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited October 2015

    Thank you Carol! So nice to see you on here giving your sound information and support for LE patients😊

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited October 2015

    Nordy!

    I almost missed your post

    Wow!! You finally had surgery. So happy happy happy for you! Will be going back to read your posts about your story. Wishing you all the best always!

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited October 2015

    Hi Pink! Yes, I finally did it, but at the point that I really had no choice. I just had a CTA today to look at the flap and as far as they can tell, things look good. It is just lots of pretty colors and puffy still. I am also following strict instructions on not doing anything too active.... Super hard, but I fought too hard to jeopardize the final on account of doing something stupid! How are you? I hope you are continuing to do well.

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