DIEP 2015
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Thanks for the tip, Phoebe!
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Wow. Where has the time gone? I am 10 days post op - double mastectomy with DIEP recon. I've slept the past ten days away! Three of four drains were removed yesterday, and I feel so much better. Still struggling with the right mix of meds, but making progress every day.
Thank you for the input and encouragement. It has helped me be big and brave! Have a great weekend and healing hugs to all.
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Thanks to all sisters for thoughts,prayers, and tips. I'm 10 days out from surgery now. Still hurt if I don't take enough medicine but trying to cut back. Trvler my main surgeon was Dr. Wise. Who was yours? I'm still very happy and amazed with results. Sutures almost looked healed from the beginning. I came home with one drain which I still have. The other 3 came out at last Wednesday appointment. Im foggy with the meds but trying to walk a lot. Still feeling like a turtle from time to time. Wearing the elastic girth almost all the time. Wearing the black surgical bra all the time. Have to say it's about as cute/sexy as possible! I appreciated that as my first impression when I woke up from surgery. Ladies who have had pain and irritation from the urinary catheter please ask your doctor if you can take over-the-counter AZO Standard. It helped me. Take it with food or it will upset your tummy. Still just resting and eating. Love to all.
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Whew! Just finished reading all 37 pages--took a few days!
Thank you, Morwenna, for starting this topic--what a blessing.
I was diagnosed with IDC in January. Because I am BRCA2, I opted for a BMX with immediate recon (TEs) in February. 3 weeks later, I was infected and had the TE on the left (cancer side) removed. On June 10 it was reinserted and 3 weeks later I was back in with an infection that quickly turned into sepsis--awful. So, out it came.
So, here I am with one expander that is happily hanging out--how it managed to remain infection-free during the sepsis astounds me--and one side that needs to find an alternative to implants. My PS suggested a lat. flap, but I just don't have a good feeling about that.
Earlier this month I got my first fill on the right (after 7 months flat), and it was oh, so nice to have a little bulge there. Flat is definitely not for me.
I am not happy with my PS for a variety of reasons, so I recently met with my original breast surgeon who I do like to get some wisdom. He suggested that I go to see a PS in a much larger town so that I can get a fresh perspective with more options than the docs here can give.
So, I am looking at, and now hoping for, a DIEP. Like others, I have a few questions!
1. My original PS said I was not a candidate for autologous tissue because I was "too thin," especially since I needed two breast done.
After reading this forum, I am not so sure. My BMI is on the high side of normal, so I certainly have something going for me there.
I was a solid B before, and after being flat for so long, anything will be desirable! I am 55, so I really don't want to have to deal with replacing implants every so often. And with my infections, I don't think I want ANY foreign bodies in me.
Thoughts? (Of course, this will be answered when I see the doc, but I am impatient!)
2. Anybody have any experience with the docs at IU down in Indianapolis? I was referred to Dr. Michael Chu. I see that he has 10 years of experience there, and several of the doctors down there specialize in DIEP and other microsurgeries, so I believe they have a lot of experience.
Thanks for the help!
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BigSister-2015 please get as many second opinions as you can until you find the right surgeon for you. Please seriously consider using someone who does Breast reconstruction only, and a lot of it all the time. After experiencing tissue expanders and implant failure, lat flap, and now DIEP, I can honestly say I wish I had never had the lat flap and am seriously scared the lat flap pain and tightness will never go away. I did not know about options when I Got diagnosed. Was told that expander/implant was the way to go and believed it in a hurry to get mastectomy with reconstruction done. Now after having DIEP flap by very experienced DIEP surgeon I wish this was where I had started. I think I would have gotten my life back a long time ago. I'm about 5'6" and 123 pounds. I'm a solid B at least today. I say today since I'm only 10 days past surgery and I don't know how much is swelling and how much I will change after revision surgery. Again please find a surgeon that does breast reconstruction only. It makes all the difference in the world.
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Hi there! I am late to the party, as I just found this thread. Better late than never! I had uni DIEP on 9/8 and am recovering pretty well, I think. One of my biggest problems has been back pain from walking around like Quasimodo. Anyone else have this problem?
@BigSister - I am on the leaner side and do not have a lot of fat in my abdomen (5'6" and about 130 lbs). I was also worried I would not be a candidate for DIEP. I would definitely shop around for a PS and get multiple opinions. I had a very long saga leading up to my surgery, and it took a very special and creative surgeon to give me what I wanted. I had to twist his arm to get him to do the surgery for me. But I just saw him for my F/U appointment on Friday and even he seemed in awe of his own work. I'm now convinced that plastic surgery is as much art as medicine. Good luck to you!
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Bigsister: I agree with Trineg. I was told by the local PS who came highly recommended I wouldn't be as big as I was at the time (a solid b). I went to consult with NOLA (Breast Center) and Dr. Sullivan was like no problem. These guys are masters. I was 5'3 and 133 so my BMI was also at the high end of normal. I know that the first PS I met didn't do anything besides take tissue from the tummy but NOLA can take it from other places as well. Also, and this is the, to me, the most important point, they do a CT scan prior to surgery so they know where the blood vessels are they are going to take. The local PS doesn't do that so they go in and figure it out when they get in there which mostly leads to taking muscle which is much riskier in terms of pain. Ask whatever doctor you are talking to about that. It's important.
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I should add that I lost about 6 or 7 pounds before surgery and they did an extended DIEP meaning the incision went from hip to hip.
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I am just back from a routine check up in Vancouver, and all is healing well and looking good. My PS asked me to participate in upcoming 'BRA day' in late October. That is Breast Reconstruction Awareness Day - 3 PS speaking on various recon procedures. I am thrilled at the thought of paying it forward at the 'show n tell lounge' after the lectures. Of all the things that were not even on my bucket list...... breast modelling, but I know how reassuring it was to actually talk to someone who had a diep several years ago and to see the wonderful natural results.
Westphal -- sooooo glad you are recovering and progressing
I am guessing it's your 2 weeks-iversary today! Can't wait to hear a little more when you are up to sharing. Have you tried advil and tylenol together -- they act synergistically so better than 2 of the same kind. I still do one Emtec at night, [mostly for achy bra band area and if I overdo it] but am now going to try without, and just do over the counter.
Welcome BigSister -- I went out of town to a big city for a fabulous microsurgeon with a breast recon focus -- and Dieps are her favourite as the gold standard. I could not have had the Diep in my smaller town.... even though I need to go back for checkups I would do it again in a heartbeat. I had BMX with immediate Diep -- smooth sailing -- and am 6 weeks tomorrow.
39hip - yes oh yes, I had the back pain, often way worse[ especially first week] than the surgery! ...... but as I got straighter and not mimicking a dowager's hump so much it slowly resolved. Squeezing shoulder blades together gave some relief. Glad you have awesome results.
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@phoebe58 - My PS mentioned BRA day to me, too, and when he sent me the info, he told it would be great if I could make it, and to let him know if I wanted to talk about my experience. I sort of non-committally said I thought I could make it, and if so, I'd be happy to talk about my experience. (After all, I definitely needed reassurance this was going to be worth it, and that it has a happy ending for a lot of people.) He immediately e-mailed me back with an enthusiastic 'Wonderful. I'll ask them to add you on as a patient testimonial. Thanks so much' so now I'm wondering what I'm getting into if it merits a 'thanks so much.' It better not involve any modeling... Show and tell without the showing part. LOL.
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Hello all, I'm scheduled for the DIEP on Tuesday, October 6th with Dr M Whitten Wise in NOLA. Has anyone had this doctor before? Anyone been to breast center in NOLA?? Please share your experience with me and any tips would be amazing I have less than a week
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@ TRINEG I am so happy to see your post. I'm scheduled with dr wise on October 6th. How did you feel about him? Haven't met or talked to him yet. Meeting for first time day before sx which is a little unnerving. I had bilateral mastectomy with 3 reconstruction sx due to complications and now I'm doing what I should've done in first place. Would love to hear any tips you have.
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Question how long have you all had to wear a bra 24 hours 7 days? Also how long before you can sleep on your stomach?
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Hey Outdoorsman! I'm three months out from surgery and i still rarely sleep on my stomach but i keep trying! LOL ! At about two months out, I began laying on my stomach but I prefer sleeping on my side. Hope that helps.
To those having surgery soon, I wish you a successful surgery and an uneventful recovery (full of rest and healing). It's a big surgery but it's so worth it.
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I had my surgery the Breast Center on Sept 1. I can't comment on Dr. Wise but I can say that the hospital is an amazing place and they take amazing care of you. There are so many little things…..like they put freeze stuff on your arm so you never feel a needle ever. You know how when you get put to sleep in the OR you know it's coming? They put you to sleep in the pre op room and you don't even know when they put the drug in the IV. You can't see it. One minute you are laying there getting ready and the next you are awake and done.
You wear the bra 24/7 for at least 4 weeks. I am now wearing a regular bra during the day and the bra they gave me at night. The only issue with the bra they give you is that it is black and shows through some clothes. Also, they give you a girdle but only one so you probably have to buy a second one when you get back. I hear Kohl's sells Spanx. They kept telling me in NOLA that 'a lot of women like Spanx' and I kept wondering why if they were giving me the girdle I had to buy any Spanx. It's because you have to take the one they give you off and wash it so you need a backup. You can't put it in the dryer. If you want to plan ahead go buy a Spanx now. Buy one that goes from just under your breasts to your thighs.
Sleeping on your back: This was hard for me. I am a dedicated side sleeper. They teach you how to arrange pillows to keep you in place. YOu put one under each arm, a couple behind you (I used a regular pillow in front of a study pillow) and one under your knees because your stomach is tight and you won't want to lay flat. They want you to do it for 4 weeks. I did it exactly 4 weeks and not one minute longer than I had to, although my breast area is still tender and sometimes side positions can be a tad uncomfortable too, but not as bad as having to be on my back all the time.
I wish you the best. I feel that going to NOLA was one of the maybe top 2 decisions I ever made in my entire life. I hope you get my favorite nurse, Jenny. She works at night. She is amazing. My other favorite was Jaime (the black one because there are a couple of Jaime's.)
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Oh, I am sorry. I misread your question. I think they said 6 weeks before sleeping on your stomach. I never sleep on my stomach so I didn't pay much attention to the instruction there.
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Thank you phoebe58, you're right, I am just two weeks post op. Each day gets a little better. Three drains removed last week at my one week appt, and I'm confident the last one will be removed at tomorrow's appt. What a difference it makes to get rid of them.
My next challenge is to get up and moving. The abdomen hurts more new boobies, but that's to be expected with the hip-to-hip incision. I'm loving the flat tummy and nice perky boobies!!!
I was so nervous about this procedure, but I'm thrilled with the results.
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I need advice on not being completely terrified of this surgery. I had my bmx with expanders last December. Had 5 more surgeries to clear this infection and have been flat since January. The thought of going through more surgeries, more drains, having my stomach cut on makes me a bit nervous. My surgery is scheduled for Jan 18th. Some days I get really excited and think ok this is gonna be ok I can do it and other days I'm like nope this is not a good idea I need to heal longer before attempting this. (Last surgery was June & have been off antibiotics since July)
You all have such great stories and it truly helps to read your discussions. I just need to hear from others that this is doable. I stay home with lots of little ones & I just don't want to be so down that I can't care for them. Jumping back on this horse is not as easy as I thought it would be. I'm in constant prayer believing for the best.
Thank you in advance for any wisdom shared.
Much love
G
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G - Wow, it sounds like you have your hands full with eight kids! I'm assuming that since you have been through multiple surgeries before this that you have a good support network in place? I think only a truly reckless person wouldn't be nervous about this operation, but in many ways it hasn't been as bad as I expected. I'm truly amazed by the body's ability to heal itself. That said, you definitely should not plan on trying to take care of little ones for several weeks afterward. I just drove my son to preschool this morning for the first time since surgery (three weeks out), and that was pretty tiring (and I just had a uni DIEP). Then again, if you've been through eight pregnancies and can care for eight kids, you are probably a lot tougher than I am.
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Hello SA8PG,
I was terrified of the surgery as well. I had 2 months between diagnosis and surgery to "ponder" all sorts of scenarios! Most of the time our fear builds mountains out of molehills and for me, that was definitely the case. I was very afraid.
But, things have turned out much better than I thought they might. The first two weeks of my recovery have been quite a blur with lots of meds and lots of sleep. And as I head into week three I can definitely see that things are getting much better. I'm forcing myself off all the oxy-ies (OxyContin and oxycodine) and replacing them with extra strength Tylenol and Motrin (with doctor's help and oversight). I'm up and around for much more of the day, but as 39andhip says, you do tire pretty quickly.
Maybe a helper would be a good solution for the first few weeks as you build back your strength.
I'm sorry you've had such a long road with the other surgeries. You're bound to feel scared, so just be gentle with yourself and ask for help from those around you.
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I was able to do most everything 3 weeks out. I was tired, no doubt. A lot of that was due to not being able to sleep on my side and not feeling rested. Also, they use a machine on your legs to avoid a blood clot which was annoying.
I was surprised I could drive almost immediately. They said not to drive until you are off painkillers, which I was after 6 days, I think. I thought my husband and I would have to switch cars for a while since I have an SUV. But I was able to do it.
It is now just over 4 weeks and I can do 10k steps again and do a gentle hour on the elliptical. But I think a HUGE part of it is what type of surgery they do and who does it and how many places they take tissue from. I only had an extended DIEP, so only one source of tissue. I think the recovery is longer if they take it from more places. I also exercised before the surgery, which helped me a lot.
We did have a meal support system, which was wonderful. If you don't want people 'visiting', you just put a cooler on your front porch. We got a lot of repeat meals like pastas, then chicken, but overall, not having to make dinner for a few weeks was fantastic.
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Good morning! I am picking through this thread looking for insight into the DIEP procedure and what to expect -- I haven't read through everything here yet but it's helping. The great news is that I have options for my reconstruction, DIEP or implants. The bad news is I have things to decide. I am leaning towards DIEP flap; with previously radiated skin, two bouts of cancer and lymphedema, the idea of using only healthy tissue is a great one. And I have hated my breasts for the last decade -- childbearing made them radically different and unattractive, there is nerve damage to the right breast, and I even have two clips from biopsies in the healthy breast already. I know I want them both gone and I'd really like them to match and be aesthetically pleasing. I can't imagine I will ever feel happy or excited about implants, they just seem so risky for issues and additional care down the line. But the intensity of the DIEP surgery--for someone who only has only ever had a lumpectomy and who got a little lightheaded when the doctor simply described the port going into the jugular--is kind of hard to wrap my mind around. It's probably where I will end up, I just need to keep reading and looking to get used to it.
Right now I feel like I need to make a decision about timing. My last chemo is Oct 30, the first date they can book the surgery for is Dec 2, with a second option being Dec 16/17. Dec 2 feels so fast (which it's not really, I'm just scared) but I feel like waiting until Dec 16/17 will make me down for the count for Christmas, and at the very least I'd like to be off pain meds and sitting up happily with my kids then. But would I have to be to ready for Christmas (presents bought and wrapped) before Dec 2? It sounds like I'll be rather restricted in activity for several weeks after -- would I be allowed to wrap presents on Dec 20? I'm something of a late shopper so being ready by Dec 2 is a whirlwind for me. But then the SO's assistant cautioned me against the later date, reminding me it's 7 weeks after treatment ends, perhaps implying that it's unsafe not getting in perform the mastectomy faster.
I'm confused and overwhelmed by all my choices. Thoughts? Advice?
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@kateness - If it helps, I'm very surgery-averse, too - though you'd never know it based on how many surgeries I've had in the past five months. I guess I just had to work my way toward the DIEP. LOL. But aside from when I had kids, I'd never even been in the hospital before, so for me, being in the ICU for three days post-surgery was pretty intense. But like you, I just didn't see myself being happy long-term with an implant, and I couldn't quite get to a point where I could picture not doing recon, so it was worth it.
I'd say that wrapping presents by Dec. 20th and being off pain meds by Christmas is doable. If you can't get the presents by the 2nd (I could so not do that, either), perhaps you could order them online around, say, the 10th or 12th?
I know it's a lot to take in, and it seems fast, but for me personally, once I accepted that I had to have a mastectomy and decided to go with reconstruction, it couldn't happen fast enough. I had to wait six weeks for a surgery date, and it was pure torture. Then, my surgeon canceled on me, and I had to wait more. Even more pure torture. I think if you decide this is what you want, you'll be happy for the 'early' date.
Best of luck with your decision!
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Kateness, I think I would go for the earlier date so that you can have a nice Christmas with your family. You will be amazed at the motivation you get when you have a surgery date. Make that to-do list and get ready for Christmas! If it has to be a smaller Christmas this year, so be it. See if you can get some help with the meal and try to freeze some things ahead of time (but remember you won't be able to lift much -- seriously). After 3 weeks, I was still exhausted and on pain meds (I took pain meds for 6 weeks after my BMX/SGAP -- it was a long recovery for me) but much more present and able to enjoy things. I also did not love my breasts after nursing -- I had pendulous F cups so the thought of having a UMX was not as appealing to me. Even though my reconstructed breasts are much larger than I'd requested (no surgeon seems to really believe you if you tell them you want a small C cup), I can go braless if I'm not being very active.
SA8PG, I would definitely arrange for some help with child care after your surgery. Lifting, bending, and just getting around is tough for the first few weeks. Some women bounce back quickly -- I was not one of them. Although I was walking outdoors within 5 days of my BMX/SGAP, the overall recovery was long. Your older kids will be able to help. My 7-year old was great after my surgery. Even when she was 4 when this all started, she was just a source of strength. They really put it all into perspective. It's not a fun recovery but it is doable. I recommend finding the best surgeon at the best hospital.
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Dear Tmgilbert1071, you will really like Dr. Wise and your results. I had lots of complications for him to fix too. At the consultation I wanted assurance that he had experience with fixing complications like mine. He gave me confidence that he fixed complications like mine all the time. Be prepared with your questions, but if you are like me he will probably answer them for you before you ask them. He spent a lot of time describing what would happen. My incisions are so incredibly fine and I barely see his stitches. I am healing well and have scheduled my second surgery. I think you and I are on the way to having beautiful realistic breasts again. Best of luck to you. Love to all sisters
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Thanks TRINEG,
Time is flying by and I'm starting to get a little nervous. I went and bought some laxatives so I don't have a problem with constipation. Tomorrow I will start packing and Sunday we leave. It's a 12 hr drive from South Florida to NOLA. because of the expense we didn't want to fly. Has anyone drove that kind of distance? Getting there is a breeze, I'm just worried about going home. Also, just reading prior posts about pain meds I never even thought of after. Here in Florida they have cracked down on prescription pain meds. Did anyone have a problem with that? I'm assuming that I will get written ones before I leave the hospital. How long will I need them
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Please ask the hospital how to be comfortable and well on your way home. I had to wear TED compression stockings and a little machine like the one you'll use in the hospital to inflate around your calves every so often to prevent blood clots. (I have to wear it at night for 30 days as well, and then drop it in the mail to return it to them.) The hospital will know best. And they will overnight you any prescription you may need after you have left. They really know what to do with out-of-towners. So please don't worry about your travels. Ask them. They will tell you what to do. They won't let you hurt. I found that this recovery is big but doable, and easier than some things I already had at home
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There's a Walgreens a few blocks from the hospital where I got all of my prescriptions when discharged. There were enough for my stay in NOLA and to take home with me.
I flew home so I don't know what it's like to have to do a 12-hour drive, but maybe you could think about an overnight stop on the way back? -
Hi, all. I have an area of what looks like broken capillaries under one of my flaps in the skin of my torso. Looks like varicose veins but red not blue. I'm one year out from Stage I and 5 months from Stage II. I can't remember when I first saw it Has anyone had this or know what it is?
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Thank you ladies for your help. I have my Diep scheduled for Jan 18th at PRMA.
Mary I am sorry I can't help you yet on this topic but I'm sure someone will pop on here soon.
Hugs
G
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