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  • SugarCakes
    SugarCakes Member Posts: 353
    edited August 2015

    Almost 10 weeks post chemo. Have my 3rd herceptin only infusion on Monday. I have recently had bouts of extremely dry eyelids. Also darkening. Anyone else? I have been drinking plenty of water.


  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited August 2015

    SugarCakes - my ophthalmologist suggested Systane eye drops when I started chemo and I used it liberally. Don't know about the darkening.

  • jumbledbamboo
    jumbledbamboo Member Posts: 158
    edited August 2015

    Tomorrow is my first hercpetin only chemo. I hope it is smoother than the THCP. I am also going to ask about why no perjeta...

    My hip pain is not from neulasta as I turned it down. It sounds crazy but I have had horrible hip pain since I started chemo. Xrays were negative. I just don't know. My eyes have been dry too and eye drops help a lot!

  • loriekg
    loriekg Member Posts: 263
    edited August 2015

    Hi jumbledbamboo--don't worry...your herceptin only will be much smoother than THCP! Like night and day.

    Please post what your MO says about no perjeta going forward, I am curious if its the same thing I was told. ("No, perjeta is not used after THCP." Both BS and MO said that, and I wasn't going to argue...but surely they are up on the latest information?!) Maybe they misunderstood and thought I was asking for it for myself, when I was really wanting to know why some needed it and others not.

  • Stephmoen
    Stephmoen Member Posts: 563
    edited August 2015

    I asked my mo about continuing on oerjeta she said that she could see if ibsurance approves it but thinks it would be more than I need especially if I achieve pcR I think we will only consider it if I don't have pcR at the time of surgery

  • raleighgirl
    raleighgirl Member Posts: 98
    edited August 2015

    My MO agreed to keep me on Herceptin and Perjeta post surgerybecause my insurance approved it. Although she always prefers evidence based medicine she figured I would have more anxiety if she took me off the Perjeta. The clinical trial studying outcomes of using Perjeta with Herceptin has still not been published. I believe she told me it is called the AFFINITY trial. She said she thinks it will be published next year.

  • Stephmoen
    Stephmoen Member Posts: 563
    edited August 2015

    Ralieghgirl how are the side effects from herceptin and oerjeta? I think I will really push for it if I don't have pcR or if they see that there was any type of node involvement after surgery right now she is convinced I am stage 1 so I don't think she thinks I should have perjeta the full yea

  • raleighgirl
    raleighgirl Member Posts: 98
    edited August 2015

    I've had no side effects at all from Herceptin and Perjeta. I am actually feeling great! Took a 9 mile walk around the city today! I noticed my eyebrows are completely back and my eyelashes are getting there. I go in for radiation simulation tomorrow. Nervous about the tattoos

  • Stephmoen
    Stephmoen Member Posts: 563
    edited August 2015

    that's great ralighgirl then I say why the hell not do it if it can prevent a reccurance I'm thinking of trying the perjeta my insurance hasn't given me a hard time yet for anything

  • april25
    april25 Member Posts: 772
    edited August 2015

    Hmmm... I did not have pcR... I'm not getting Perjeta with my Herceptin... I wonder if I should ask my MO? I trust him to be up on the latest, but who knows, really?

    My insurance as been pretty good so far, too. But of course, they are stopping the kind of coverage I have (individual plan), so I'll be having to find a new carrier next year! gah! --Still... I hate when insurance coverage starts affecting treatment, for anyone!

    I've had 5 Herceptin only infusions so far, and no SEs as far as I can tell (radiation was going on, so who knows what is due to what? but I didn't have much in the way of SEs from that--just red skin after 20 treatments). And I had nasty SEs from TCHP (hospitalized due to diarrhea/dehydration, some neuropathy, food tasted so bad I really couldn't eat much, fatigue), so I'm guessing it was most all due to the taxotere!


  • SugarCakes
    SugarCakes Member Posts: 353
    edited August 2015

    Saw the MO on Monday before my herceptin infusion. I got a prescription for low dose Effexor for the hot flashes. Took the first pill last night. Could be a coincidence, but flashes already seem less intense.

    Had the TE's filled today; another 75cc bringing the total so far to 325cc. Will have two more likely. Felt very little. I feel he could have added more.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited August 2015

    About Perjeta - I did not have pCR. In fact after TCHP and surgery, the boards recommended i do a chemo course of Adriamycin/Cytoxan before rads & before resuming my Herceptin. The MO also suggested I resume Perjeta but one of the listed SEs was neuropathy. I have enough of that already and unfortunately it looks like it's permanent. So it was my choice. We all tend to 2nd guess our choices, especially since Perjeta is so new, but my options are over. I'll be interested to see what all your docs are recommending now - 2 years after my choice.

  • IndyGal35
    IndyGal35 Member Posts: 340
    edited August 2015

    Sugar, my eyelids do seem a bit darker, and I have dark bags under my eyes. I've had that for a while, so I'm not sure if it's due to the abuse on my body, chemo, or just because I'm still so pale and anemic.

    I had my first Herceptin only treatment two weeks ago. My only complaint is the runny nose that I had all through chemo. I'm 8 weeks PFC, and I feel better every week.

  • jumbledbamboo
    jumbledbamboo Member Posts: 158
    edited August 2015

    Ok. So She said again that it was not indicated after TCHP. Im fine with that. I am still feeling sick to my stomach even with only Herceptin tho. I also really want a PET scan but there doesn't seem to be an indication for that right now. This runny nose and dry eye are annoying but I am nowhere near as sick

  • jumbledbamboo
    jumbledbamboo Member Posts: 158
    edited August 2015

    I also ended up getting a blood transfusion! I got that on the 5th. Hoping my numbers are good as I have my Ooph on the 4th of September

  • cchix49
    cchix49 Member Posts: 43
    edited August 2015

    Has anyone had heart issues? I had a 24 hr. monitor but no results yet. Blood pressure low and heart rates 100-160 for a month. I have one treatment of six to go. #5 kicked my butt and I am dreading #6. I was so sick and down for 12 days before I felt human again. Would like some feedbacks on this. God Bless all that are going through this awful thing.

  • Stephmoen
    Stephmoen Member Posts: 563
    edited August 2015

    when I ended up in the hospital my heart rate was going up to 180 but I was septic and I believe that's why it was so high very scary thing hope you feel better soo

  • april25
    april25 Member Posts: 772
    edited August 2015

    I got an echo when I was hospitalized during my 2nd cycle for dehydration (from D)... My heart rate was high, but dehydration can cause that. I usually have a fairly high heartbeat anyway. But the echo showed no damage. I had ekgs before my LX, but no other echos...

    Do people get PETs post chemo?

    Someone on another thread said she just had one and they discovered more cancer so her RT had to be postponed! Yikes. Makes one a bit paranoid... particularly since I didn't have a complete response to chemo. bleh. ... but I guess if my MO isn't recommending that I get one, it might be a good thing? (in that maybe that other person had other stuff going on, so that a PET was requested?)


  • Stephmoen
    Stephmoen Member Posts: 563
    edited August 2015

    I am getting a pet done end of month my first pet showed a slight increases suv in my liver my mo thinks it's nothing but I guess better safe than sorry pretty nervous about it but she says she's very sure I'm stage 1 I also requested a brain mri after seeing others have got brain mets makes me nervous getting that done Thursday

  • CassieCat
    CassieCat Member Posts: 1,257
    edited August 2015

    april, I had a PET after being diagnosed and another one after finishing chemo. I think my MO likes ordering labs and scans...

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited August 2015

    April - I had an MRI & a PET/CT after my recurrence was diagnosed before I started chemo. Then another PET/CT 1/2 way through TCHP & one after TCHP, as well as another MRI. Those tests indicated that I did not have pCR but found no other "hot spots" that might indicate mets, and & the MRI pinpointed the remaining tumor for surgery. Also had a PET/CT after the AC chemo the tumor board recommended when I finished surgery, and one more after I finished a year of Herceptin - which was also of course after RADS. I feel fortunate that my MO was proactive with scans. A recurrence after only 2 years really freaked me out and the PET/CT in particular gave me reassurance. I wish he hadn't retired. The new MO doesn't believe in them.

    As for the heart, I had an echocardiogram before the first chemo and one every 3 months all the way through the end of Herceptin. Herceptin, as well as Adriamycin, can cause heart problems. Some people have MUGAs instead.

    But as with everything else in cancerworld, each doc is different and each one of us is different. Perhaps I got all the testing because I had a recurrence? Perhaps because the recurrence was in a lymph node? Perhaps because of the tumor size? Perhaps because there was not pCR? Perhaps because of my age (69-70)? I never have been able to figure out the difference in treatment.

    cchix49 - I did have to wait an extra week between #5 & #6 for my RBC to build back up. Hope the heart issues are resolved and minor.

  • april25
    april25 Member Posts: 772
    edited August 2015

    My MO ordered just about every scan imaginable, but all before or at the beginning of neoadjuvent chemo. Got PET, brain scan, bone scan, CT, Breast MRI, etc. MUGU and an echo. But only got a bilateral breast MRI requested for the BS after that... and ekg. No other scans. I guess... because they didn't see any sign of any mets and no lymph involvement???

    It IS hard to figure out what is prescribed and why. And some doctors really do have different ideas--or some insurance carrierers! I switched to my current MO because my first guy was totally inhibited by my carrier! They totally discouraged nearly all scans. Didn't want me to get a PET at all. I had to pay out of pocket for it because they dragged their feet, and I really wanted to have something before chemo started. So... at least I know my current guy isn't adverse to getting scans and tests!

    I still like to know what is the standard, just in case. Probably because that first guy was ruled by insurance (it was one of those all-inclusive insurance HMO companies... they are good, but the treatment does tend to be a little more basic! They made me fight for Perjeta, for instance. That's a reason why I changed insurance during Open Enrollment in the beginning of the year, and switched MOs in the middle of treatment).

  • raleighgirl
    raleighgirl Member Posts: 98
    edited September 2015

    Just wanted to check in with you girls to see how everyone is doing. I just finished radiation on Tuesday. I have quite a bad burn on my chest and under my arm, bit my RO said it looks pretty good.

    I've noticed that my eyelashes are about half the length they were before chemo. Have any of you noticed the same thing? I'm actually thinking of trying eyelash extensions. It might make me feel more feminine since I took my wig off two weeks ago for good!!

  • zjrosenthal
    zjrosenthal Member Posts: 2,026
    edited September 2015

    My lashes are also very short. At this point, with the pain I have it's not even on the concern radar. If it extensions make you feel better why not? Love, Jean

  • loriekg
    loriekg Member Posts: 263
    edited September 2015

    Hey raleighgirl! Congrats on finishing up radiation!! My upper eyelashes fell out about 1 1/2 months after I finished chemo! The lower ones are back fine, but the upper ones are so short. Too short to try and get mascara on them! I do wear false eyelashes for special days/nights. I'd wear the false ones everyday if it didn't take me so long to put them on! So for the extensions, do they connect to the lashes you have?

  • raleighgirl
    raleighgirl Member Posts: 98
    edited September 2015

    They do! I have several friends that do it and they look amazing!

  • DaisyQ
    DaisyQ Member Posts: 123
    edited September 2015

    I like the idea of lash extensions! Mine are still short and stubby..9 months PFC. It makes it hard to get any length with mascara I don't feel like I look very feminine these days. Lash extensions might help. Going into research mode! :)

  • Stephmoen
    Stephmoen Member Posts: 563
    edited September 2015

    if anyone uses Groupon check them out they always have coupons for eyelash extensions I was looking into it :)

  • IndyGal35
    IndyGal35 Member Posts: 340
    edited September 2015

    Hey there.

    My hair is about an inch long at close to 4 months PFC. Herceptin alone is much easier! I complete 19/25 rads today.

    I'm still struggling with a lot of TE pain since my surgery in July. They had me inflated out to 450 mL about 5 weeks after surgery so rads could start. My muscles and skin still haven't recovered well from the rapid expansion.

    I'll be starting my Lupron/Arimidex in about 2 weeks. I'm 35, so we will see how I tolerate the SE's. Maybe DH and I will finally call a ceasefire on The GreatThermostat Wars. Ha!

    Glad to hear everyone is making progress. We've come a long way together!!!

  • raleighgirl
    raleighgirl Member Posts: 98
    edited December 2015

    Hey ladies! Wanted to wish everyone a happy new year! I had my last Herceptin/Perjetainfusion on Tuesday and I am getting my port out today! Whoo Whoo! Here is to a much better 2016 for all of us!

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