PTSD - anyone had this diagnosis during or after cancer?

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  • artsee
    artsee Member Posts: 1,576
    edited June 2015

    Has anyone heard that Lavendar oil is not good for people that had estrogen fed cancers? I use it all the time and a few weeks ago I believe I read that on one of these boards

  • artsee
    artsee Member Posts: 1,576
    edited June 2015

    Thanks Rose, I'm curious to hear if ther is any truth to that. Can't imagine why.


  • U4iachic
    U4iachic Member Posts: 84
    edited June 2015

    Fat necrosis is what they said my new knots are. I had my expander removed twice on that side and had healing issues. She did an ultrasound immediately in office and was very re-assuring.

    I am on Prozac and I will say that I feel like it needs to be increased. I'm hanging on by a string and finding this knot sent me over the edge. My new normal I guess.......

  • katiegrey
    katiegrey Member Posts: 79
    edited June 2015

    U4iachic - I'm also on Prozac, but didn't feel less depressed until my dosage was increased to 80 mgs a day. Can I ask what dose you are on? Hugs to you and praying you'll feel better with time. I still have bad days, but since adjusting my meds, I have a few good ones too. ❤️

  • artsee
    artsee Member Posts: 1,576
    edited June 2015

    You guys I feel for you. 4Uiachick, you are not an isolated case with the way you are feeling. I been over the edge once or twice. How can you not be when you go on this BC ride. It never seems to leave......I am so glad it's only necrosis they found. I had a biopsy and they found it too. Now it doesn't want to heal like normal. Now I worry about that. It's out of my hands and should not right ?

    I'm trying not to increase my drug that I take, so I started 15 min of meditation in the morning and night. It seems to relax and calm the anxiety that I get every time I'm faced with another bump in the road.

    Hugs, Artsee

  • U4iachic
    U4iachic Member Posts: 84
    edited June 2015

    Hello ladies, I'm currently on 30mg of Prozac. So I know that does isn't really a high one. I think I'm going to try yoga over the summer. I'm a teacher and will have some time on my hands. I'm thinking it may not be the best thing to sit around the house alone!

    xoxoxo-Michelle

  • artsee
    artsee Member Posts: 1,576
    edited June 2015

    Yoga is great.....just try sitting and closing your eyes and breathing slowly deep and leave it out slowly.. I say to myself the word "calm" with each breath. (15 min.)I feel less on edge ......😌

  • MandalaB
    MandalaB Member Posts: 111
    edited June 2015

    I finally had a mental breakdown in my PCP's office during a routine check right after Mother's Day. It was a long time coming. The chemo treatments immediately caused nightmares and I have flashbacks of this a lot. Surgery is difficult. Compounded with PTSD from being emotionally abused by my mother during treatments, as well as the life long abuse I suppressed as a result of her. I'm new to this wagon. I was fast tracked when I visited a county mental health clinic - I start intensive therapy in a week or so.

    I'm still going through recon too- surgery #5 to fix the lat flap underboob that was to fix the original DIEP. yay.- July 9. ugh. Flashbacks again!
    I freak out freaking out that the freaking out is going to bring that shit back into my body. it's scary.
    <3 I am right here with y'all. <3

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited June 2015

    mandalaB, my friend here on the boards calls that going to crazy town! It's amazing what our minds can do to us. sorry about the bad mom stuff.

  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 1,433
    edited June 2015

    Hi Artsee,A component of lavender oil is Perillyl Acid which is also found in cherries. It is able to induce apotosis in cancer cells, there were only 3 anecdotal reports of boys growing breasts on some cream/shampoo.There was never any real research showing that those boys had this happen only from the lavender, could have been other things causing it too. They studied that Perillyl acid for chemoprevention and possible adjunct to cancer treatment. . So I think the CalmAid is pretty safe.

  • kittysister
    kittysister Member Posts: 212
    edited June 2015

    Katiegrey, I've got to say .. this thread .. I have nodded in agreement with so much of what everyone else is saying. But your post back on lower page 1 had me laughing so hard, I had tears running down my face. Such language! I really needed to laugh. So thank you for that!

    As for myself, instead of feeling like I'm recovering from the past year, I think I'm going in reverse. Can't sleep anymore, obsessed with thoughts of the crap returning, aching like crazy from the AI's, said things to hubby that I have regretted (yeah, I'm a real joy to live with these days), hurt my daughter's feelings .. and when I pass by a mirror, I look like somebody who just escaped from a mental institution. I don't look, think, or feel like the person I was a year ago. Too bad life didn't have a rewind button.

    Because of feeling so horrible lately, I've stayed in the house way too much. Maybe that's it .. it's finally taken it's toll. But who wants to go out feeling like this, I ask you! I don't do well on anti-depressants, like most people do, or at least those who can find one that actually works without SE's.

    It doesn't anger me so much that I got cancer. I actually figure "why not me", when I see and hear of so many others .. even teenagers and kids these days. I don't consider myself that special. And so many ladies on here who are so much younger than I am who still have children to raise.. why them. I don't understand that.

    Anyway, going back to anger, what DOES anger me is the money they have made off of my body with their tests, scans, treatments, pills, appointments, etc. etc. etc. and I now feel worse now than I did 6 months ago. And every time I have tried to get an honest answer to any questions I have asked, I am told "no, those are not SE's" or I'm told by the medical establishment that I should stay off of the internet. Stay off the internet? The last time I looked, I believe I was a grown woman and this particular website is where I get most of my information! I'm convinced now that many of them .. not all .. but many of them .. don't want you to really learn or know anything. That way, they don't have to try to answer any questions, or worse yet, have to lie about things like SE's.

    I guess that about sums it up in a nutshell. So .. I just try to get from one day to the next and hope the next one is a better one. Hang in there, ladies.

    Edited for typos..



  • Suladog
    Suladog Member Posts: 952
    edited June 2015

    I was diagnosed with PTSD by my mo after finishing chemo back in '91. He sent me to a psychologist who specialized in bc post treatment. She had also had bc herself. I was a mass of rage as because of our work (we're in the movie industry) we couldn't tell anyone except for a very few close friends who are not in our business. About. 6 mo after final chemo I just went off in a meeting, dropped that I had had cancer and chemo. Everyone just sat there I must have looked insane. I then proceeded to drive down WIlshire Blvd, from Fox to Cedars Sinai at about road rage speed with my poor husband in the passenger seat. I was headed to my mos office where he took one look and sent me for help. It was a long process of talking and working on it (no meds but lots of therapy) I'm so glad I got hel

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited June 2015

    Suladog - oh my. I had to smile when I read your narrative. So glad you found help. My breakdown occurred when I couldn't move out of the chair I was basically unresponsive. My DD called my bro who is a onc and he knew what was happening. DH took me to my PCP. I couldn't even sit up on the table when he came. I just laid there eyes closed shutting out all the beasties. He considered admitting me to the psych ward but instead allowed me to go home ordering DH not to leave me alone.

    Meds counseling and time pulled me out. I thought I'd never feel better.

  • Suladog
    Suladog Member Posts: 952
    edited June 2015

    Farmerlucy,

    Yes, it does get better. I had just the opposite affect than you did. I would have torn that waiting room apart like an enraged wombat!!!

    As a matter of fact, after chemo since I was TN and hormones weren't an issue and we were trying to start a family when I was dx'ed the guys at Cedars Sinai tried to "jump start "my system and give me a period (this did not work out by the way as I haven't had a period since 1st round of chemo in1990) anyhow, the GYN at the Gilda Radner center over there gave me a shot of something. Most likely some sort of progesteron or hormone or something. Whatever it was , that night I got upset about all of the stuff going on with the cancer and I threw a pair of chicken snippers at my husband (missed him thank God) lifted up my stove, (I'm talking a range here and I weighed 107 pounds) and smashed my fist into the wall! I was NUTS! So glad I got some help as it was just the worst. I never expected this to happen to me as I'd certainly done my share of therapy (Hollywood after all) and thought I was pretty well adjusted, but PTSD is a whole other ball of wax!

    I'm so glad you got help, and I always tell friends now who are diagnosed to remember to get help for that. A lot of people never even think that PTSD is going to happen to them, and it can manifest in a whole range of ways, from your experience to mine. This last time, I knew enough to ask for help before anything got started. UCSF has therapists, but my MO has also got another MO on staff who I also see, (the only woman in the practice) and she specializes in PTSD! I just love her.

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited June 2015

    That's why I love these boards. In the beginning I felt terrified. I was on a raft all alone in the ocean. Help was nowhere in sight.If you are reading this and suffering just know we have been there, you are not alone, and we will do our best to support you.

  • Suladog
    Suladog Member Posts: 952
    edited June 2015

    Rose,

    yes, even the good doctors, seem skeptical of these sites but I also agree that they could know so much more about what their patients are experiencing if they surfed these boards

  • suems
    suems Member Posts: 133
    edited July 2015

    I'm not sure if I should even tell my story on here - but it may help some of you feel your situation isn't that bad.

    I'm not afraid of cancer "coming back" because I was diagnosed Stage 4 at the get-go. I KNOW it will kill me - the only question is when.

    I was severely depressed already when I was diagnosed (suicide attempt in 2009, and on Citalopram), so my first reaction when I found a lump in my breast was "good, I'll die soon". After a few months of studiously ignoring it, it started to really ache, so I went to my doctor. The rest of that story is in my profile below.

    My initial visit with the surgeon to do the biopsy involved me already lying on the table in a gown, when he walked in and said (without even saying hello, or introducing himself) "Well, I've seen your scans (mammo and ultrasound) and I'm 98% certain you have cancer, but let's just do this biopsy and prove it." He then proceeded to do the most traumatic biopsy. He took 8 attempts at getting 3 samples, bent 3 needles in the process, and wondered why I was in tears! My whole boob was black for weeks. This lovely "gentleman" did my surgery, and found cancer in almost all of my lymph nodes. He was out of town and on holiday before I even woke from the anesthetic.

    After surgery I had a clear CT, and a bone scan which showed an "anomaly", followed by x-rays which showed a "possible shadow" then an MRI which was "inconclusive". Despite this, I was scheduled for chemo, and booked to have a port put in as I have horrible veins.

    Then the oncologists had a committee meeting and the Decision was made. I was called into the Oncology Department (where I used to work a few years before) and was told that everything had been cancelled, as the oncologists are 98% sure that what was showing up were metastases in my leg. I was told quite bluntly that I was "incurable", that chemo "would not save me", and that I would be put on a small daily pill (turned out to be Tamoxifen), and I should come back when my leg starts hurting from the bone mets. My sister had BC many years ago, and was in remission for 7 years before it returned, and killed her in 3 months. I automatically assumed that meant I had 3 months too. Not surprisingly I had a bit of a meltdown when I left the hospital!

    Today I had the final signoff from radiation, and now I have to wait until the end of the year to have a scan to see if the Tamoxifen is having any effect. I have not been able to go back to work since surgery, as I cannot concentrate on anything, my memory is shot (even finding words is getting harder), I have a 2 hour nap every afternoon and I have the occasional dizzy spells.

    Thankfully my family doctor has put a referral in to the psychiatrists at the hospital to see if I can be seen for PTSD diagnosis and treatment. I'm not sure what will happen if they say no.

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited July 2015

    Hi Sue - I'm sorry you've had such a tough time of it. I hope you get to see a counselor soon. It's always good to talk to someone. The concentration problems and the napping were issues I had when I was in the pit. I hope tamoxifen works well for you and keeps the cancer at bay for a good long time. I don't know exactly what you are going through but if you need a listening ear PM me anytime. Gentle hug.
  • suems
    suems Member Posts: 133
    edited July 2015

    Thank you FarmerLucy for your kind words.

    I have had my first session with a Psychologist, and he says I have "Adjustment Reaction Disorder", along with a history of Mood Disorder. I guess that is about the same thing as PTSD??

    Has anyone had this diagnosis?


  • katcar0001
    katcar0001 Member Posts: 621
    edited July 2015

    Suerns, Someone should wring your doctor's neck--why do doctors like that go into medicine? So insensitive. I have never heard of a diagnosis like that but it sounds similar to PTSD. And no wonder, after all you have been through. Did the psychologist prescribe Effexor or something to help you? There are many women on this board who have been living a long time with bone mets. I hope you are talking with them. I have a friend here who has bone mets all over her body (stage IV from the start), and she's doing really well--her tumor markers are way down. She is on an AI and Xeloda plus she does tons of alternative stuff. If your MO is not fighting for you, I hope you can find another one.

    (((((Gentle hugs))))))

  • suems
    suems Member Posts: 133
    edited July 2015

    Thank you for your kind comments.

    I have been reading up on adjustment disorder, and it sounds very like me. Where PTSD stems from a single event that you just can't get past, Adjustment disorder comes from an ongoing stressor that you can't quite get used to. So basically, same thing but longer term. I am Stage 4, and will be for life, so this will never be over, therefore I can't "get over it", I have to learn to live with it.

    I am already on Citalopram, and have been since before diagnosis, so probably not much point in changing, but I will be discussing it with my psych at the next appointment.. And I now have a note on my hospital file that says that surgeon is not allowed to touch me ever again.

    I have absolutely no symptoms from my bone mets, so that makes it hard to accept that they're sitting in my hip waiting to kill me. My oncologist doesn't seem too concerned - he says there is no point in scanning until the end of the year, but my psych says it's probably a good idea for my mental state to have it looked at, or maybe a second opinion.

    Sometimes I wish I could just crawl into a hole and pretend none of this is happening!

  • ahdjdbcjdjdbkf
    ahdjdbcjdjdbkf Member Posts: 645
    edited August 2015

    it's hard to transition from walking wounded to righteously rebounding but I see many so it. Lymphedema has broken my heart so I'm more trudging than anything.

  • katiegrey
    katiegrey Member Posts: 79
    edited September 2015

    greytmph2 - your story just brought me to tears. I managed to find a psychiatrist who ONLY treats cancer patients and she's been a lifesaver. Completely empathized with my issues and it was such a relief to have someone who believed me. Maybe you could find a therapist in your community who also specializes in cancer?

    I have to say, I worry about you "putting the brakes on chemo" until you get the other issues under control. Your doctors should be doing everything possible to make you comfortable, including treating you for anxiety and depression. I had to take 2 Xanax every time I went for a chemo infusion, and it was the only way I got through it.

    Cancer is truly an overwhelming disease, and I hope and pray you find a way to get through your treatment. Hugs...


  • dimetriamajor1
    dimetriamajor1 Member Posts: 16
    edited April 2017

    Hello my name is Demetria, I understand where you coming from I was just diagnosed in december 2016 of breast cancer I just went through the left breast mastectomy lymph nodes was involved homo therapy and now I'm about to do chemotherapy. The same way you feel about poison chemicals in your body the same way I feel, I thought I was going to lose it at one point in time but I trust in Jesus he makes the way for me if it wasn't for God in my life oh my goodness I think I'll be sitting there going crazy I'm disabled right now and I'm haven't been back to work since I had the mastectomy I got to 12 weeks out and I'm going to do it but I am happy for some reason because of him who's the head of my life. Jesus is the head of my life I'm hoping that what I'm saying kind of makes sense to you cuz it's making sense to me but being a Christian woman I have faith and I think faith is the key of getting through what you're going through I don't see death in my peripheral vision nowhere, I know God is going to open the door for me cuz he has been there all the time. I don't see no income in my life right now temporary disability haven't sent me anything so I don't have anything, I scare of losing my hair have long hair or lose it some of it or all of it I don't know I'll start chemo tomorrow on April 28th 2017 but I can say right now I'm so happy in the Lord right now because he makes the path for all of us so I'm telling you this just keep praying that what you do and if you don't pray a lot of people don't In

    my opinion I don't go by nobody else just keep him in your eyes as he have to be in my face at all times or. Ptsd I will have also but I know you'll make it through but you sound like you're very strong woman

    Here I am pre chemo with my mother

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  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited April 2017

    Hey there:

    I was dx in Feb second time around with stage 1a BC, node negative, ER+/Pr+/her 2- ... had mastectomy, TE placed and fat grafting on other side because I had mastectomy for first BC 13 years ago.

    Anyways, oncologist, BS, PS and PCP all claim excellent prognosis with second cancer. I don't need radiation, and am still waiting on oncotype dx test for chemo, but oncologist feels chemo likely not needed either. I will likely be put on letroszole (Femara) for 5+ years.

    You would think I would be relieved and happy, right? But, I am not. I have started having panic attacks. Real bad ones where I think I am dying and should call an ambulance. These attacks last a few hours and then I am calm and feel relatively normal for a few days or so and then bam, another one will occur. What triggers them? Mention of cancer from someone sometimes - people tend to tell me of someone dying of cancer that has recurred. Not just of BC either, but other kinds of cancer. This will set off a panic attack.

    Or, not feeling well. I mean, I wake up in the middle of the night feeling nausea or heartburn and all I have to do is think, "what is wrong? Is something seriously wrong?" and bham another panic attack.

    Or, I feel panicky when I have a doctor appointment. The other day I had to go for a bone scan to check for osteoporosis. I had a panic attack when I got home.

    I think all this anxiety and panic is left over from last time I had BC. Last time I had stage 3A with a huge tumor and positive nodes. The oncologist would say she didn't think the chemo would work too. I lived in intense fear the cancer would recur for years. Finally, after many years, ( 8 or 9 year after dx) I finally stopped going to the doctor for every little thing. By the time 13 years came, I was getting cocky and thinking I had beat it. And then, I was bulldozed with the second new primary.

    A nurse friend of mine the other day told me she thinks I have PTSD. I am waiting to get in to see my PCP to get anti anxiety drugs because I cannot handle these panic attacks. I have an appt on Monday which is the earliest appt I could get.

    Isn't cancer just a riot? I just want my life back. I want to feel normal.

    wallan

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited April 2017

    Panic attacks are terrible. I'm sorry you are experiencing them Wallan. One thing I've learned about trauma - you either deal with it early or you'll deal with it later. Oh how I wish there were more resources available for the emotional side of this disease. My mom died from BC in 1965. In those days folks shut trauma in the cupboard and threw away the key. Forty-six years later trauma escaped the cupboard after my own BC diagnosis. I hope you can find a safe place and a safe person to talk to Wallan. In my state, psychologists are had to come by, so I turned to my church and it's Stephen Ministry. I was having all day panic attacks. The only place I didn't have a panic attack was that one hour a week I spend pouring out my grief to my Stephen Minister. Getting through this is going to be hard work, Wallan. I suspect hard work is nothing new to you. Anti-anxiety meds helped me a lot. I had a miscue thanks to a "helpful" NP who severely limited the meds for fear of me getting addicted. When my PCP discovered that he wrote me a new prescription and basically ordered me on the meds for a year. He said "I don't care if you get addicted. We'll deal with that later if need be. YOU need these." I stayed on them for a year and weaned off with no trouble.

    Sending you good vibes for peace of mind.

  • tonyaberryman
    tonyaberryman Member Posts: 85
    edited April 2017

    Ahhhh, thanks for putting a "name" on those nasty things! I'm on meds now, they help, BUT I still get a little panic attack every now and again. I've known about my BC for about 6 weeks and am still in shock.......I hate to see every other Monday come, but it has to happen......so I have to have meds that make me so totally drained, to be able to beat this cancer..........

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited April 2017

    Hey there Farmerlucy:

    Thanks for your kind words. I do want to climb out of the pit of recurrance anxiety again. I don't seem to have the strength or motivation to do the work though. I am tired of it all. I do feel better when I am talking about it with someone as you mentioned. I have friends who listen but I am not sure they want to hear about it all the time. Who wants to listen to that for hours on end? So mostly I journal or come here. I am hard on myself I think because I am relatively lucky with my recurrance that it is very early stage. Why don't I feel happier I ask? It could be worse I tell myself. And then the question is answered by my mind when it says "Next time it comes back it could be worse" I don't want to have these thoughts. I want positivity and hopefulness that it will not come back again or if it does that it is treatable. It really sucks to think scary things unbidden. I do hear and read that time heals all things. I remember leaning on that last time too and as time passed I did begin to feel less anxious. I worked on thinking positive too and kept my mind off cancer and kept busy. For years I did this and it did work. This time around, I don't have the same innocence or faith. It did come back when I hoped it wouldn't. How am I going to believe now that time heals all things? I have lost trust.

    The biggest help I think is connecting with women who have been thru it and understand. That is why I come here.

    I sound so sad. sigh...


    wallan




  • Micmel
    Micmel Member Posts: 9,450
    edited May 2017

    wallan~ it is sad. No doubt about it. I have scans Friday and my stress and scanxiety are through the roof. Cancer changes you. The sky looks different, the trees are so pretty, the sounds of my kids talking together and their laughter are so much sweeter. I hate how I feel too, I cry a lot. I have a happy loving DH and he is my world. I am shattered and broken and I don't know which way is up, but I get up in the morning and fight my butt off, last week I didn't do as well with my excersise and who knows about this week with scanning and my blood work\shot on Wednesday. Nerves getting to me too! Only jogged/walked 20 miles. Down two miles from the previous week, so logically if someone is grtting worse instead of better I don't see how they could be jogging/walking 20 miles at all. So logically I would seem to be getting better. I should be having great scans! But I'm still worried, And I have come to learn, logic doesn't apply to cancer or we would all have a cure! I know how you're feeling you're not alone! You have to learn to live in the day, try not to be too hard on yourself. I wish I had a magic wand, for us all And our precious families would not watch us suffer and us having to not watch them suffer with worry or fear! Cancer is such a mean disease. Big hugs to all that need them today. I know I do!! Keeping everyone in prayer! ~M~

  • Brutersmom
    Brutersmom Member Posts: 563
    edited May 2017

    Katiegrey Have you tried a vacation from the Als to see if they may be the cause. I recently had to stop for similiar problems and I am amazed at the change in my behavior and thinking.

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