Exercise and well being during chemo and radiation

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  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited September 2015

    Haven't posted here in a while. Still walking 4 miles a day. Took a couple days off because of poor air quality alerts because of fires, but I really think it helps lower my SE from chemo.

    I came online to post in the lumpectomy thread about a weird feeling in my upper arm and forarm. No pain, no swelling, not really tingling, just weird. Anyone have this? I really haven't been doing much arm work as my doc said don't lift anything heavier than 5 lbs for the rest of my life --my surgery was 2 mo ago. But, I see that many of you are doing arm work. Ideas on how to start gently since I'm not going to get exercise support from my doc? Thanks!

  • littleblueflowers
    littleblueflowers Member Posts: 2,000
    edited September 2015

    Sloan, are you working g withe a a PT who specializes in lymphedema? They can show you how to work your arms up safely!

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited September 2015


    Katy, Have you tried Ambian? I have used it and even taking half a pill helps. I make sure I am really tired and sleepy before going to bed. Thankfully, I usually do not have to get up early. Also, I went through a phrase where Inwoke up at 3 or 4. So, I got up, made some oatmeal with some fruit, sat in my recliner - sometimes a couple hours. Went back to bed and slept another 4 hours. Messed up my sleep schedule for awile, but slowly got better. Now, I go to bed around 11:00 and get up around 7 or 8. Of course, I get up to go to the bathroom 3 or 4 times. Anyone else get up that many times?

  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited September 2015

    littleblueflowers - No, I need to find another person. The guy I went to only had his certificate a short time, and he was not helpful. It's so hard to find a lymphodema specialist near me! I'll keep looking.

  • queenmomcat
    queenmomcat Member Posts: 3,039
    edited September 2015

    Sloan: my sympathies! lifetime ban on more than five pounds?

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited September 2015

    I have been told "no CrossFit, power lifting, or high cardio workouts YET." With LE risk, the strategy seem to be to build up slowly. My PT will come to the gym with me to give me instructions when we get to that point. I was told to lift no more than 5 pounds at a point after my surgery, but was released to lift more before I started chemo. And that's with BMX!

  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited September 2015

    queenmocat and ksusan -- I know!!!! There are so many different pieces of advice from doctors flying around out there, I'm not sure who to believe. Then, everyone says to ask a lymphodema specialist, but the ones I have gone to ask me what I think. (How should I know?) When I saw that so many of you were lifting again --and ready to get back to a rowing machine, ksusan!!-- I realized that I need to ask for more help. If you guys are doing upper body work already, there is hope for me. (yay!) Anyone know a good specialist in California?

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited September 2015

    I rowed through radiation until my skin was too vulnerable, with my LE/PT's explicit approval. Today I picked up two 5-lb. plates for my curl bar, again with her consent.

    ETA: I'm to do no more than 3 sets of 10 reps with any arm weights, and no flies, for now.

  • queenmomcat
    queenmomcat Member Posts: 3,039
    edited September 2015

    The short question: was this a forever ban? or was there a statute of limitations?

    In fairness, I wasn't "axillated", as I ended up with straight DCIS; it's all a risk factor, but (not surprisingly) having lymph nodes biopsied or removed is a rather significant one. But yeah: nearly as many opinions as specialists. With a leavening of how important it is to the patient...but boy howdy I wish doctors would think through the weight restrictions! Five pounds means can't lift....a cat, a diaper bag. a sack of flour or a gallon of milk. a purse. a basket of laundry. a gym bag. a potted plant. a rather a lot of things that women routinely MUST lift in the course of our perfectly ordinary lives.

    And possibly it depends on how you ask the question. (to wear aluminum-based antiperspirant while receiving radiation treatment? I asked "Not at any point during the weeks I'm under Dr. RO's care, or not while I'm actually lying in there [on the table under the lamprey]?" The nurse conceded as how I might wear it as long as I wasn't actually being irradiated, as long as my skin was OK.

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited September 2015

    9/13:

    • Fitbit steps
    • stretches + 30 crunches + 125 pedals + resistance band
    • 85 min T (~2.4 MPH avg)

    = 6.25 miles

  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited September 2015

    The surgeon said forever. Yes, it's quite a shocker.

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited September 2015

    Did the surgeon give a reason? This seems unusual.

  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited September 2015

    I had three nodes removed and my surgeon didn't really put any restrictions on me. She checks me for any signs of lymphedema, so far none, knock on wood. I haul around 35 pound grandchildren. They don't understand the word no. My Grandson Jack told my daughter grandma is never sick, she can do everything. So they really don't understand. So did carrying them and exercising help me or hurt me? So far, no damage, but I know lymphedema can arise later down the road. I can't live my life in fear of something that hasn't happened yet. I just got back from flying to Chicago and that didn't seem to have caused any lymphedema either. But I know it is a side effect that surgeons minimize, and lots of people seem to have it.

    So I guess I take my chances.

  • HazelFrances
    HazelFrances Member Posts: 70
    edited September 2015

    I was cleared to lift my grandson (25 lbs) at 4 weeks post BMX. Have been doing with no problem. Carried him downstairs for first time today.

  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited September 2015

    I don't see my surgeon again for a couple months, but she was pretty clear nothing over 5 lbs forever. Like I said, I'm struggling to find answers!

  • wpmoon
    wpmoon Member Posts: 270
    edited September 2015

    I asked my surgeon about starting weightlifting again about two months ago, which was approximately 7 months post surgery. He said no restrictions, so I'm lifting heavy and loving it. My surgery side (left) is definitely weaker than the non surgery side, and the back side of my upper arm is still numb from my lymph node dissection, but other than that, I've had absolutely no issues with weightlifting.

  • queenmomcat
    queenmomcat Member Posts: 3,039
    edited September 2015

    I remain perplexed about the difference between doctors' approaches! "Standard of care" is a phrase I keep hearing tossed about, but when we get down to the fine points--who knows! My BS said bupkus about weight limitations, though in fairness he didn't need to even biopsy a sentinel node for me.

  • octogirl
    octogirl Member Posts: 2,804
    edited September 2015

    hi all: my escape to the coast was lovely, but exercise got put back on hold when I got back....smoke is killing my eyes again, but as the steroids and other drugs start to wear off I am feeling a bit queasy for the first time...and since I have vision issues to begin with (partial but permanent vision loss in one eye), sensitivity to the wood smoke, stomach slightly upset, headache, all at once I find I can't read a computer screen. AND the metalic taste is kicking in and everything tastes yuck. Good thing I got that meal in the other night, right? :-) Went to work today, gave up after ten minutes, and find the best thing is to lie still and avoid computers and reading. Hope to be better tomorrow....thinking of all of you keeps me going!

    Octogirl

  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited September 2015

    1 hour spin class at lunchtime. It isn't my normal outdoor bike ride, but I will take it. Hoping our heat is finally breaking. But of course now it's windy. Heat and wind and rain are the enemies of bike riders. Unless you have a tail wind, then all is good!

  • littleblueflowers
    littleblueflowers Member Posts: 2,000
    edited September 2015

    Octogirl, seriously. You are doing perfect. Sleep is exactly what you need to do. Keep after it until you see what your body is going to need..

  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited September 2015

    littleblue, what happened with your RO visit today with the lumps/fat necrosis?

  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited September 2015

    oh never mind, I saw you posted on other forums.

    Hugs for tomorrow!

  • littleblueflowers
    littleblueflowers Member Posts: 2,000
    edited September 2015

    getting more terrified if that's possible, thanks for asking g. Excercise- 1 hr eliptical well being, 2 ativan 1 shot jamison.

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited September 2015

    Octo, sleep is good.

    My crappy news of the day is that my little sister has IDC. It was only found because given my diagnosis, she pushed for better imaging. She had been told she was clear, but then there was a cyst that they wanted to look at, and a tech saw a small area that looked suspicious, and after a whirlwind biopsy, she has a stage 1 IDC diagnosis. Our mother and I have both suggested she get additional contralateral imaging. No other information yet--I recommended that she get copies of her reports and not rely on medical personnel to relay information to her. :(


  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited September 2015

    I'm a whiskey girl too. If you come to our March get together, we will have to do some shots! And hopefully I won't end up naked dancing on a table somewhere

  • littleblueflowers
    littleblueflowers Member Posts: 2,000
    edited September 2015

    Ksusan, I'm so sorry.

  • queenmomcat
    queenmomcat Member Posts: 3,039
    edited September 2015

    Littleblue: Not enough Jamison's.

  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited September 2015

    oh man, ksusan, I am so sorry! How old is she? Push her to get an MRI. That was the most definitive test for me.

  • littleblueflowers
    littleblueflowers Member Posts: 2,000
    edited September 2015

    For theresaApply jamisons. Repeat. It sucks I have to work tomorrow too, or I'd apply jamisons until I couldn't feel my face! Yup...super healthy copin strategies here...n

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited September 2015

    Thanks. She's 50. MRI was negative; this was found on ultrasound. I myself want to see the MRI report because if there was washout that wasn't followed up on, she should know that this doctor is not reliable. However, it's not my records, and my sister's gentleman friend is this week's medical focus, so I expect that next week there will be more discussion.

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