Bilateral mastectomy vs. high risk screening?

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FallRisk
FallRisk Member Posts: 3

I was diagnosed at 36 with invasive ductile carcinoma, Stage 2. I had a lumpectomy in the left breast. Then I learned that I was positive for a chek2 gene mutation. Given my age, the fact that I have already had breast cancer, and the gene mutation my surgeon is putting the option for a bilateral mastectomy out there. It's either that or an MRI/mammogram every year. I am having a really hard time making a decision here. Most days I lean toward the surgery. My dad died this year of colon cancer and the chek2 gene came from my mom, so I don't feel genetically lucky here. Just wondering if anyone out there faced a similar choice and how you feel about your decision and what led you to make it. Thanks.

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited August 2015

    Hi FallRisk and welcome to Breastcancer.org,

    This is surely a tough decision. However, you've joined an incredible Community here, and will surely be met with lots of helpful support, advice, and experiences from our wonderful members shortly.

    Welcome, and please keep us posted on what you decide!

    --The Mods

  • JaneSheridan
    JaneSheridan Member Posts: 9
    edited August 2015

    Hi - I don't have the same genetic considerations (although I have not had a full panel so I'm not sure) you have but am facing a similar dilemma. I have a medley of cancer in one breast - invasive ducal carcinoma as well as DCIS and that breast needs to go. I am debating what to do about the other one. I guess the big question is whether there is an advantage to keeping it? The data argues against taking a healthy breast and I'm on the younger side too (just turned 40). I have already done bulk ofchemo and after surgery will have radiation and remain on medications...so I'm writing to say I understand the difficult decision you are contemplating.

  • flaviarose
    flaviarose Member Posts: 442
    edited August 2015

    Hello. I just found out that I have the Chek2 mutation. Wish I had known it when I was deciding on surgery. I went with a lumpectomy on the cancer breast. I had two tumors, something I read is more common with Chek2. The surgeon at the time told me that my outlook was the same whether I went with lumpectomy or mastectomy. At the time we didn't know about the Chek2. Had I known at the time, I might have opted for a bilateral mastectomy. Now I'm feeling like a ticking time bomb......

  • FallRisk
    FallRisk Member Posts: 3
    edited August 2015

    Hi flaviarose. Thanks for your reply. I was told the same thing about a lumpectomy vs. a mastectomy, but the chek2 mutation was unknown at that time. Now that the results of the genetic screening are in, my surgeon seems like she really, really wants to do a double mastectomy and her eagerness kind of freaks me out. For one thing, my understanding about chek2 is that it is a moderate risk gene for breast cancer (also for colon cancer), not like the BRCA mutations. If I had one of those I think the decision would be a lot easier to make. But my surgeon's best estimate is that with the chek2 and my age (37) and the fact that I've already had breast cancer my chances of getting another breast cancer are 20-25%. Compared to the 12% chance that a woman in the U.S. will get breast cancer in her lifetime, 20-25% doesn't seem that high. But I don't know! I, too, feel like a ticking time bomb, but I'm not even done with chemo yet. I have 3 more weeks of chemo (taxol) to go and then it's radiation time. Unless I decide to do surgery. I feel like I'm rambling but I am having such a hard time wrapping my brain around this.

  • suzygirl
    suzygirl Member Posts: 22
    edited August 2015

    FallRisk, Have you had an MRI of the "healthy" breast? Are there any indications of possible problems already? I do not know whether I have chek2 or not (but I don't have the BRCA gene), but I did in fact have synchronous (at the same time) bilateral invasive disease, although at a much later age (66) than you. I was not given the option of a lumpectomy because of the size of the IDC and the accompanying DCIS in the first breast -- I had to have a single mastectomy no matter what. However, a very suspicious radiologist pressed on although nothing showed on either mammography or the ultrasound of the "healthy" breast. He found suspicious patterns on the MRI -- very early indications of trouble, and to make a long story short I had the double mastectomy and I in fact did have another but very small invasive tumor in the second breast.

    Besides your chek2 gene, another factor to consider is what type of cancer you had this time. If it was hormone positive, you are likely to be given tamoxifen, which will reduce not only risk of recurrence of this first tumor, but also of contralateral disease.

    I guess what I am trying to say is that a good radiologist and good screening are likely to catch trouble very early and hormone therapy may reduce your chances as well. It seems to me that you do not have to make this decision right away. A BMX may give you peace of mind, but at considerable cost. Only you can make that judgement, of course, but if you decide not to do the BMX you can change your mind at a later date if the worry proves intolerable. At your age, reconstruction may have excellent results, but is not without its pitfalls. I think many women are not clear that they will also lose all breast sexual response, and the value of that is highly personal.

    I am afraid I have not clarified much, but I wanted to share my observations. I am very sorry you are facing such a choice at such a young age. My own experience is that in a year or two you may find that the current "emergency" state you feel will have subsided and you may be ready to make a more informed choice then. All my best wishes.


  • FallRisk
    FallRisk Member Posts: 3
    edited August 2015

    Hi suzygirl. I have had an MRI of both breasts post-surgery and everything looks fine so far. Yes, the plan is for me to take tamoxifen for 10 years whether or not I get a bilateral mastectomy. The one thing I do feel very sure of is that I would not have reconstruction, but that's a moot point since I don't even know if I'm having surgery or not.

    I really appreciate your perspective. It's good to be reminded that I have time to make this decision and that I don't have to have it all figured out in the next three weeks. My surgeon made it sound like I did since my radiation treatment would differ based on whether or not I have the surgery. She seemed kind of pushy about doing a BMX, which surprised me because she was very understanding and not pushy at all when I first met with her after being diagnosed. She said something along the lines of, "I'm a surgeon and I see surgical solutions." But the meeting left me reeling a bit. My wife was with me and after the meeting with the doctor I was thinking, "Ok, I have to do this (surgery)," and my wife, after hearing all of the same info I just had (and probably making better sense of it, to be honest, as I was overwhelmed) said, "I will support you no matter what decision you make, but If it was me I wouldn't do the surgery." She's a very logical and rational person and also doesn't have cancer (and I hope never does). But it was unsettling that we would both come to such different immediate conclusions. Which is part of why I go back and forth over this.

  • iledere
    iledere Member Posts: 3
    edited August 2015

    Hi Fallrisk. I'm sorry to hear about your situation and feel I am in the same boat although slightly more similar to SuzyGirl in that I have simultaneous bi-lateral independent bcs (both DCIS and IDC w/ differing types of hormone receptor status).

    I had a double lump, but didn't get clear margins so now have to decide if I am going to go back in fora DL or DMX and am really struggling with the decision. While all of my genetic tests are neg, the chances of getting. Dual simultaneous are slow and cause for pause. Not a lot of stats out there.


    I don't want to buy time with radiation b/c I feel that after if I need a DMX down the road that will make reconstruction so much harder, riskier and cosmetically challenging. At the same time I hate the idea of losing sensation.

    Does anyone know if radiation causes a loss of sensation too? Does anyone have any DMX after radiation success stories?

    Thanks for any support and FallRisk, I wish I could be more helpful than just letting you know you are not alone. One day I'm convinced I'm doing one and then the next I change my mind completely.

    Thanks everyone.



  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited March 2018

    Hi FallRisk:

    I have not made such a decision, but because you chose lumpectomy, perhaps you should seek a second opinion. Have you already consulted with Genetic Counselor regarding the results of your genetic test? If not, please consider obtaining a referral to one. Your breast surgeon has acknowledged that she tends to see surgical solutions. Plus, a breast surgeon may not be familiar with the latest scientific literature about chek2 variants, genetic risk assessment, and applicable consensus guidelines.

    The National Comprehensive Cancer Center (NCCN) guidelines address chek2, but several guidelines are implicated and I think a specialist is needed to advise you concretely about the increased risk you face based on the specific mutation found, your family history, and your existing breast cancer diagnosis. They can also help you understand the limitations of any screening program, and provide a second opinion regarding your personalized risk/benefit from any available risk reduction strategies (e.g., by what percent is risk decreased by doing X).

    I am not asking for the following information, just whether you have it: Do you know the particular mutation that you have? Is it known to be pathogenic or deleterious and not an allelic variant or variant of unknown or uncertain significance? If pathogenic/deleterious, has the risk associated with this particular mutation been specifically defined by clinical studies? If you are unsure of any of that, it would further support seeing a Genetic Counselor (or seeing the counselor again).

    BarredOwl


  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited August 2015

    Hello iledere, Welcome to our community. We are glad that you reached out here. We are inserting a link to information about Radiation Therapy that is on our site. We hope that you will find some support and information here. Stay connected. The Mods

  • iledere
    iledere Member Posts: 3
    edited August 2015

    thanks the mods. I feel like I've read up on so much and am now interested in finding any failed or success stories of people who have had radiation and then reconstruction later. This is where I am really struggling to make my decision. I feel like I've got lots of stats and risks info. I don't feel like I have any personal testimonials.

    Do you have any suggestions on where is should look? Thanks so much.

    ildere

  • ATMgene
    ATMgene Member Posts: 2
    edited September 2015

    So I'm not really one of those people to blog, but I was looking through here for anyone having similar side effects after a reconstruction and saw this.

    No one can tell you what you should do. It has to be your own person decision.

    I was diagnosed last year with a mutated ATM gene that put me at higher risk for breast cancer. I saw 5 different doctors in my area, including the genetic counselor and no one had seen this mutation. Because of this and having all 5 doctors agreeing that a mastectomy was the way to go, I had a prophylactic double mastectomy w/expanders put in, in Jan of this year. I chose to do it sooner than later because I am 44 and only will get older with recovery harder & I also have other autoimmune dieses that made it easier to decide now. In June I had the switch surgery to take out the expanders and put the implants in. I chose silicon "gummy bear" implants. I have had many surgeries in my life, but this was by far the worst. The hardest was getting passed the fact of really not having breast anymore. They do not look like natural breast or feel. I don't deal with too much pain anymore, just more tightness or comfortableness. My biggest complaint now is that something has happened to the right implant/breast. With talking to my nurse at the plastic surgeon's office, my skin has probably grown to my pectoral muscle so I can either live with it caving in every time I move my right arm (which I can't do) or I will probably have to have another surgery to remove scar tissue or have a fat transfer to separate the skin from the muscle. I still know I made the right decision, but it is very trying to stay positive everyday.

    Good luck to you with making the decision. Let me know if there is anything else I could advocate for you.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited September 2015

    iledere -- we suggest you post your question in the Breast Reconstruction forum, where will surely find others who had radiation with breast reconstruction at a later date!

    ATMgene -- Welcome to you and thank you for sharing your story! We also suggest you post your story on the Breast Reconstruction forum, where surely you can help many others, or find advice for your situation.

    Welcome and both of you please keep us posted on your stories.

    --The Mods

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