Hip pain, mets vs arthritis

Hi all,

I have been having intermittent joint pain, especially in my hip. I saw my oncologist last we week, and he ordered a bone scan. Had the scan today, but I am so anxious waiting for the results. dr said he thinks it is post menopausal arthritis (I had a total hysterectomy in January) and the arimedex. Has anyone else experienced this? My family thinks I am over reacting, but as soon as he ordered the scan I have been a wreck!

Kathy

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  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited July 2015

    Kathy,

    I don't have any pain in my hip, but on my first two PET scans, something lit up in the hip area. In fact, I will be getting another PET scan in August to check that. After my first PET scan, the MOs looking at it said that the hip area was a relatively unusual place for mets to form. But, it's not unheard of, and I may end up getting a biopsy in that area.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2015

    nursemom, After my treatment, or maybe during....I can't remember the timeline, I had crazy pain in my hips that landed me in the ER. I was sure it had to be BC related. Turned out it wasn't. Arthritis can be so common for us all. I'm hoping the same is true for you. Waiting really does stink. Hang in there!!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2015

    I developed one-sided severe hip pain last fall, could not sleep longer than 15 minutes in any one position. Hurt less standing than laying down. Gave it the three week test as that was about the time I had a regularly scheduled every six month oncology appt. My MO ordered a DEXA, bi-lat hip MRI and a lumbar MRI. The DEXA showed no worsening of bone issues (I am osteopenic and already on Prolia) but he wanted to check for avascular necrosis due to the Prolia. The MRIs showed worsening of pre-existing disk degeneration, new bone spurs at T-12, gluteus medius stress tears, and trochanteric bursitis and fluid in the joint. A lot of stuff, but not mets - so yay! I am in physical therapy now and improving slowly, but I'll take it.

  • SugarplumFairy2010
    SugarplumFairy2010 Member Posts: 21
    edited July 2015

    Nursemom, waiting for test results is torture! Last november i had a bone scan to find out why i was having severe low back/right hip pain. I was dx with mets to the spine and referred to my radiation oncologist.  He ordered a ct scan and in the meantime booked me for radiation to deal with the pain. When i arrived for rad he told me i DO NOT have mets to my spine, but osteoarthritis on the L5 facet of my lumbar spine, more on the right side.  I was floored, for a month i thought it was mets! Im a 5 year survivor in March 2015. 

    However, my pain has gotten worse, i am extremely fatigued all of the time, and have little mobility. I cannot walk any distance without pain.  I am having an MRI next week, i am so fed up with my symptoms.  I am also having a pelvic ultrasound to monitor a new cyst on my ovary they discovered last November. 

    I wish i knew what the difference is between osteoarthritis and bone mets pain. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2015

    SugarPlumFairy, That is an excellent question! I have RA and I've been asking my team that question since diagnosis. No one really has an answer for me. Very frustrating.

  • SugarplumFairy2010
    SugarplumFairy2010 Member Posts: 21
    edited August 2015

    having my MRI tomorrow, hope it is only arthritis. Wish i didn't have claustrophobia:(


  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited August 2015

    Me too! I knew the disk at L5-S1 was shot. But when I developed new, extreme pain in the area, my mind went dark places.

    My wonderful PCP ordered an MRI. Now there is arthritis, stenosis, and disc degeneration there. I can deal with that. But it still hurts, and is hard to stand. Feels wobbly.

  • MmeJ
    MmeJ Member Posts: 167
    edited August 2015

    Hi, delaware (and others).

    I finished active treatment four years ago and developed bilateral hip pain toward the end of rads, which is still with me and about which I have been squawking to all types of docs for four years. I, too, had a bone scan (in late 2011) and a DEXA (in early 2012). Bone scan negative, DEXA showed great bone density, inflammation markers normal.

    I have, just in the last two weeks, finally received a diagnosis from a physiatrist who works with cancer patients! It's a condition called trochanteric bursitis. It hits right where the legs connect to the body, on the outside (so, not exactly the hips). I'll be getting physical therapy for it, starting soon. I have high hopes it will help.

    It's not like quite like muscular pain, nor is it nerve pain. It burns. Is that what yours is like?

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited August 2015

    Mmej - see my post above - I was also diagnosed with trochanteric bursitis, among other hip issues. I started PT twice weekly and have myofascial release massage, ultrasound, then strengthening exercises at each session. I am being treated in a university based sports medicine department - they are cutting edge as they have a PT PhD program here also. Part of the explanation for the slow resolution of the pain is that the muscles supporting the hip, core and legs have become weaker - in my case due to so much surgery making consistent exercise a challenge - so my situation is a stress tear injury to the gluteus medius muscle - which they feel is now healed, compounded by the bursitis, further compounded by the lack of fitness. My pain is in the same location as yours and radiates down the outer thigh, not from sciatica, but rather from the muscle tightening in response to the hip pain. I have made excellent progress and have far less pain than I did initially - don't be discouraged if this takes a while to get better.

  • MmeJ
    MmeJ Member Posts: 167
    edited August 2015

    Oh, goodness, SpecialK - I read right over the word "bursitis" in your post. In my case, they think the bursitis developed for the same reasons as yours, and is exacerbated by the neuropathy I have in my feet, which alters gait pretty significantly, which alters the hip alignment, which makes me clench and tighten muscles 24/7 ... 'round and 'round.

    I was so encouraged to finally find a physician who knew something about what is wrong with me and has ideas about how to fix it instead of just telling me that I need to start exercising again (I do? Really? No sh*t!), and now I'm even more encouraged by you - thank you so much. I have an evaluation scheduled at the end of the month for hospital-based PT in a pool and will get a plan in place soon thereafter. My life is a testament to delayed gratification, so slow improvement is OK with me. :-)

    I wish you the best for your continuing improvement as you approach your own five-year anniversary!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited August 2015

    Mmej - we were dx'ed close together, and yay for your five year mark! Excellent! Slow and steady wins this race with the hip pain resolution, so be careful not to overdo it, hoping your PT is helpful. I have a slew of exercises that I am happy to share with you should you need them - they are gentle and isolate the areas that needs strengthening specifically to improve the hip.

  • MmeJ
    MmeJ Member Posts: 167
    edited August 2015

    Thanks again, SpecialK. I realize that the exercises I was accustomed to doing as a 3x-4x a week workout person before all of this would not be a good idea now and I'll need some retraining. I'll check in again after I get a plan in place.

    (nursemom/Kathy, have you received your scan results?)

  • MDnowPatient
    MDnowPatient Member Posts: 17
    edited August 2015

    Can anyone shed some light on the details of the hip pain that was either mets or proven not to be? I've been having a few weeks of one sided "hip" pain. It started after I overdid it with Just Dance on Xbox. It only hurts for a few steps after I get up and start walking after sitting for awhile. It's on the outside of my hip (traditional hip pain is felt in the groin) just below my iliac crest/pelvic bone. when I push on my iliac crest it doesn't hurt. It's gotten a little better but still there. The part that worries me most is that I've never had a pain in this place before. I'm on tamoxifen, zoladex and Ibrance. It seems muscular because it goes away when I walk and stiffens when I sit. It doesn't hurt any other times. I don't want to go through the emotional process of getting a bone scan unless it's really necessary. Did anyone with mets experience anything similar? Did the pain go away with antiinflammatories like naproxen or ibuprofen.

  • DSW1976
    DSW1976 Member Posts: 118
    edited August 2015

    MDnowPatient, I Just wanted to put my two cents in for what it's worth. I have been battling hip problems for 10 years 1 surgery later I have 3 laberal tears ,cysts,bone lesions, you name it. I see you were on the same lovely chemo as me taxol and I can tell you I now have the exact same pain going on one side as you from the taxol.  I know this because it wasnt there before with everything I had going on.  I am also terrified of bone mets but I keep telling myself it started with the taxol.  Good luck. 

  • MDnowPatient
    MDnowPatient Member Posts: 17
    edited August 2015

    DSW,

    Thanks for your insight. It's much appreciated. The only thing is for me that I finished taxol 11 months ago and this pain just started a few weeks ago.

  • DSW1976
    DSW1976 Member Posts: 118
    edited August 2015

    I would get it checked out no matter what.  Something is causing it. This all sucksAnd you know there is no relief with hips sitting,lying down,walking everything hurts.  Get it checked out...

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited August 2015

    My occasional minor hip pain sounds a lot like MDnowPatient's: Same location, one-sided, seems to hurt when I have not been moving (which parallels my hand pain), doesn't hurt to press on it, never had pain there before. And it sometimes hurts when I lie on my side. I dance, too. I had taxol, and am now on Ibrance + letrozole. Most likely estrogen deprivation is at fault. My PET-CTs show no bone mets and my TMs are normal. I sometimes worry, though, because ILC can be hard to image. If your onc is not concerned, MDnowPatient, I guess you have to ask yourself whether getting the bone scan would be more or less stressful than wondering about this. Maybe a scan would put your mind at ease?

  • Lee7
    Lee7 Member Posts: 657
    edited August 2015

    You can add me to this list. One sided hip pain that Ive had for the past 4 years. The description ...its hurts more from sitting and gets better with walking sounds about right, and its up high on the outside of my hip, so maybe not really my hip after all. Ive had sciatica, and muscle sprains, but this presents as a burning type pain that stays in that area. Im going to go look up trochanteric bursitis.


  • Zillsnot4me
    Zillsnot4me Member Posts: 2,687
    edited August 2015

    I have the same pain that started within the last year. I didn't have taxol. I believe it is estrogen deprivation too. I had PT for my knee right after my BMX and chemo so I think it's the same type thing.

    I have told my MO about it and my PCP. Those joint OTC meds didn't help. I have some cream to try or they suggested a cortisone shot. Am going to try PT first.

    I had a bone scan in April and another one scheduled the end of this month. No mets there.

  • Dalkar
    Dalkar Member Posts: 1
    edited August 2015

    Hi Kathy,

    I am almost 5 year BC survivor. I was also on Arimidex first year after chemo and had mega joint pain. Finally my doc listened and took me off Arimidex and replaced with Tamoxifen. Joint pain level went down dramatically. You might want to talk to your doctor about the Arimidex. I used to call it the "mean little pill"

  • GoldenGirls
    GoldenGirls Member Posts: 608
    edited August 2015

    MDnowpatient: My mother put off going to the onc to check out pain that came and went and improved with ibuprofen because we were under the impression that mets pain would be continuous and not come and go like hers did. It was mets. The hip and pelvis are are common places to mets to develop (someone earlier in the thread said that hips are an unusual place to get mets). The oncologist advised that any pain that lasts more than 2 weeks should be checked out. She has been living with mets for almost 3 years now and has 2 scans scheduled in the coming weeks to see if she is progressing again because of pain in the lower back, hip, and groin which is still mostly relieved by some extra-strength ibuprofen. Her last "significant progression" also caused pain that came and went and that is with mets throughout her entire skeletal system.

    Please don't leave it to chance and check out any pain that lasts more than a couple of weeks.


  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited August 2015

    Golden Girls,

    MO said that the hip was an odd place to get a single met, not that it's an uncommon place for multiple mets. But, your point is well-taken! I should have been more precise in relaying her claim (which could be wrong as well).

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