stage 1. grade 2 recurrence question

bjb01
bjb01 Member Posts: 77
edited August 2017 in Stage I Breast Cancer

dx 3/31/15 with a stage 1, grade II.  lumpectomy and node biopsy within the same week.  clean margins and no lymph node involvement :)  Pathology is ER+ and PR+, HERS2 was neg.  KI-67 was 33.  I'm undergoing chemo (round 3 of 4) with rad to follow.  my question is this..........has anyone experienced what felt like the tumor is back this quickly?  the scar from the lumpectomy obv feels like a scar, but the tumor bed now feels like the tumor is back.  If this can occur so quickly, and if it is confirmed, would they re-resect? 

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited June 2015

    Hi Bjb01 and welcome to Breastcancer.org,

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  • bjb01
    bjb01 Member Posts: 77
    edited June 2015

    thank you!  I'm seeing the BR surg tomorrow for him to get a birds eye view, and maybe an ultrasound.  I've never found anyone that had a documented recurrence so early.  and I could be totally confusing scar tissue with a new tumor???   hope to get any feedback out there from anyone who may have experience recurrence so quickly.

  • snorkeler
    snorkeler Member Posts: 145
    edited June 2015

    After my lumpectomy, an area of lumpy scar tissue formed underneath the incision. My surgeon advised me to massage it; I did and it went away.

  • Luttece
    Luttece Member Posts: 35
    edited August 2015

    hi Did your oncologist suggest any chemotherapy being that you had a positive lymph node??

  • Stacy7
    Stacy7 Member Posts: 32
    edited August 2015

    I have a lumpy part too and its scar tissue from incision. Was chemo a choice for you? My onc didnt want me to have it and im stage

  • snorkeler
    snorkeler Member Posts: 145
    edited August 2015

    My lymph node had a micromet of 1.5mm. To count as a positive node, there needs to be at least 2mm of cancer, so my situation is called clinically negative. However, cancer cells did make it to that node, so my oncologist ordered the Oncotype test to see if I should have chemo. The test came back low, so no chemo for me. I went on to radiation and am now 3+ years into tamoxifen.

  • hodgy
    hodgy Member Posts: 15
    edited August 2015

    Hi all! I'm not sure which forum this belongs so I will just start. January 2015 I was diagnosed with invasive ductal carcinoma Stage 1a grade 2 ER+, PR+ at 90% , Her2-, 0 nodes on my right breast. I chose lumpectomy because the ductal cancer was less than 2cm and the invasive was only 8 mm - tiny. I was followed by 16 rounds of radiation. My oncologist did not recommend the oncotype test - wish she did...we all want to know our recurrance percentage. The oncologist assured me the risk was low so I moved on and was thankful I didn't have to do chemo. I still wish I had the oncotype test cause I really want to know I am a low risk. Is it too late to get the oncotype test 6 months later? Also, yesterday I had my 6 month follow-up mammogram. When I arrived they said they only had orders to do the right side. Isn't recurrance possible to come back on the other breast? Shouldn't a mammo on both sides have been appropriate? As we all know - the fear of recurrance is very scary. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated - thanks all!



  • Larkspur
    Larkspur Member Posts: 88
    edited August 2015

    >The risk of having cancer develop in the other breast, especially if you had ER+/PR+ cancer is extremely low. The risk is usually stated at 0.5 - 1% per year, but a recent study found it to be even lower - at 1% at 51 months. The risk is slightly higher for ER-/PR- cancer.

    Kayb, can you give us a link or links to your source(s) of information?

    I'm not doubting you!--I'd like to read up on this topic. Thanks--

  • hodgy
    hodgy Member Posts: 15
    edited August 2015

    Thanks kayb and Larkspur! Your answers really helped put me at ease. The links were very informative. I read all three. It's good to know I am a low risk for a contralateral breast cancer from my primary bc. Yes, I will be sure to follow up with the annual mammogram.

  • suzygirl
    suzygirl Member Posts: 22
    edited August 2015

    Well, even if the risk is extremely low, there is still some risk of contralateral breast cancer even for us who have ER+/PR+ IDC tumors. I am an example. After my initial diagnosis of Stage 1 IDC, ER+/PR+ in my left breast, plus very extensive DCIS, my suspicious radiologist recommended an MRI and eventually -- after many a biopsy and double mastectomy -- a second, smaller stage ! ER+/PR+ IDC tumor was found in my right breast as well --bilateral/synchronous (at the same time) invasive breast cancer. I believe the radiologist pressed for further investigation because of what he called my "extremely active breast tissue, which we often find runs in families (my grandmother died at 49 of breast cancer, but I am not BRCA positive)." Only the first, larger tumor was tested by the Oncotype DX test (low recurrence score), and my oncologist said "We'll treat both cancers at the same time" That, for me, meant just anastrozole after surgery, no chemo and no radiation.

    I think it is important, and reassuring in a way, to note that a contralateral breast tumor is virtually always a new primary tumor -- it has not spread from the other side and does not represent a metastases (or even, technically, a recurrence). As breast cancer patients, we are followed carefully, with regular mammograms of remaining breasts, and the new second cancer is likely to be found very early. The prognosis for bilateral breast cancer is usually stated to be about the same as the prognosis of the more advanced cancer of the two.


  • hodgy
    hodgy Member Posts: 15
    edited August 2015
    Thank you, Suzygirl!Your post was extremely informative!You have been through so much and I truly appreciate you sharing your experience with me - actually, all of you...Every time I think I understand the in and outs of breast cancer - there is someone who doesn't fit the rule...After reading what you wrote I reread those 3 links from Kayb (thank you, too, Kayb!). What it comes down to is that no matter how low the risk there is always a chance for not only recurrance - but also contralateral bc. What I understand now is that they are not the same. I've discovered that now that my initial treatment is over and I'm down to the pill - I have to take charge. I have to keep reading and educating myself. For example: I'm still upset that I received my 6 month mammo on only the right breast. When I asked why I was told that was what was ordered. I "assumed" that both sides would be screened. Wrong! I'll be bringing that up with my MO on Thursday. I received my mammo report yesterday. It said the screening on my right breast was negative but it was level 3 density. This makes my breast more prone to an unseen cancer developing. Wouldn't that be true on both breasts? Wouldn't that put me at risk for developing a contralateral bc? Wouldn't it make sense to give me a mammogram on both sides each time because of an increased risk? Yep, I really do have more questions to ask my MO! Thank you, ALL, for pointing me in the right direction....
  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited August 2015

    Dear Hodgy,

    You have to check the prescription for the mammo or ultrasound. If the doctor only recommends one side, you can ask your MO to write a prescription for both sides. I would imagine that your MO will comply. However, you must look at the prescription prior to the day of the mammo. I always ask for a copy of my prescription rather than having the doctor send the prescription to the mammogram office. I like to contact them rather than the other way around. If you have dense breasts then you may also need an ultrasound as well.

    Good luck.

    Thanks for the links kayb and all of the useful info that many people posted.

  • hodgy
    hodgy Member Posts: 15
    edited August 2015
    Thanks, 614! Really good advice. To be honest, I never thought to ask for a copy of the prescription before. Perhaps this is because my Mammos were always normal before this year. I will be asking for copies from now on. Thanks, again! You have helped...
  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited August 2015

    I had DCIS grade 3 in one breast and DCIS plus IDC plus a positive sentinel node in the other.The grade 3 DCIS is what showed up on mammogram--the IDC and DCIS in the other breast didn't. Make sure both breasts get checked (if both weren't originally), and that both get annual imaging.

  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited August 2015


    I agree with KSusan.  In my second, larger lump, nothing showed up on the mammo or sono even though the lump was palpable.  I wasn't worried about this lump because it had previously been biopsied.  However, that lump was the reason that I was referred for my mammo/sono.  I did not want to go for the tests because at my previous mammo/sono 6 months prior, I was told that I was fine and that I could wait a year before coming back for images.  This was the first time that I was told that I did not have to continue to have tests every 6 months.  I complied with my doctors referral and my malignancy was found in the other lump which was not palpable.  This lump had also previously been biopsied years ago.  After my bc diagnosis, I was sent for an MRI.  The suggestion was to have the palpable, large lump biopsied.  It was biopsied a second time (years after the first biopsy).  The second biopsy came back benign again, however the benign diagnosis changed.  I decided to have both lumps removed.  The pathology report showed Invasive Tubal Carcinoma and extensive PLCIS along with numerous benign findings in the lump that was biopsied twice. 

    I would always recommend having both breasts checked.  I have a diagnostic mammogram, sonogram, and MRI scheduled for November 2015.  I was looking at the order and it said bilateral mammo, left sono, and MRI.  I contacted the RO and stated that I needed to have a bilateral sono because I feel lumps in both breasts.  He changed the order to a bilateral sono.  (I am now going to look at the order to double check that the MRI is bilateral too.)

    I feel that it is better to be safe than sorry. 

    Good luck.

  • Cmo65
    Cmo65 Member Posts: 96
    edited September 2015

    Hodgy, I ask the same questions as you.

    Why is the unaffected breast treated as though it doesn't exist?

    Why doesn't anyone think the other breast will get cancer?

    On and on... My questions just keep coming! I read everything, always just looking for hope!

    At the end of the day, I want the reassurance and yet I'm discovering no matter how similar our stats appear, we are all different and just have to push our doctors for answers -- even if for just peace of mind.

    I wish us all peace.

    Christine

  • bluepearl
    bluepearl Member Posts: 961
    edited September 2015

    I had IDC, 1 cm, grade 1, ER+PR+Her- in 2011 and in 2013 had another IDC, 8mm, grade 3, ER+PR+Her-......so while rare, it happens. Get both breast mammograms as it can recur in same breast too. Insist upon it.

  • Farmlovergrl
    Farmlovergrl Member Posts: 46
    edited November 2015

    Hi Hodgy, I read your post about the oncotype dx test. I don`t think it would be to late to get it even now. My tumor, or part of it, was sent from one hospital to another in Mo. I would check back with the hospital that did your surgery. You should be able to have this information. Hope you are still doing ok and I tried the peppermint oil. :)

  • bluepearl
    bluepearl Member Posts: 961
    edited January 2016

    I was diagnosed with new primary two years after first. Low chance but still there.

  • Tresjoli2
    Tresjoli2 Member Posts: 868
    edited January 2016

    very helpful on the mammos ladies. Unfortunately I don't have a clue what it's like to have a normal mammo - I had my first mammo, then right away a diagnostic mammo, then the ultrasound and off to MRI I had gone. So I have no baseline really. In October they did a mammo of only the affected breast, which I thought was weird. I'm due in April for another set, and I will make sure they look at both!

  • Amarain_777
    Amarain_777 Member Posts: 2
    edited August 2017

    Hi blueperl,

    I see you started tamoxifen in 2013 after your second cancer, is that correct? If you were ER+ and PR+ in 2011 why not then?


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