New Trial (for me)
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also I've heard death is like a compulsion to sleep, & as far as pain: pain will trigger natural endomprphs
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Deb, absolutely agree 110%. Have you watched How to Die in Oregon on Netflix? I'm hoping that legislation passes here in Cali in 16.
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No I didn't see the show, but have been following the topic in the news a lot. I was glad to see that Canada just passed the assisted suicide law unanimously, because I am a Canadian citizen and with this disease,it gives me peace of mind! I hate that term "assisted suicide" by the way, it has such a bad connotation in people's minds.
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I hate that term also. There's a Frontline special called The Suicide Tourist and I hate that term, too. That one is about going to Switzerland to take advantage of their law, as it's open to all and not just residents.
You're lucky to have that choice now, and I totally don't mean that the way it came out as I hope you know.
I recall listening to some Brittany Maynard interviews (she was the face of right to die in Oregon for anyone who doesn't know) and she said she had her cocktail for 6 months before getting ready to use it. She said she felt great comfort in having it there.
I know from personal experience that the illness can throw things out of perspective. I would feel great comfort in those moments being able to say, what happened today was bad - or - I feel really bad today....but I don't feel bad enough to use my cocktail. Not today. I'm not ready.
It's just nice to have it there - just in case. I think in the Netflix special they say similar - it can be a comfort measure.
I know at this point in time that unless I move to a RtD state or go to Switzerland, that when the illness gets the better of me that I am facing a horrendous and painful death that'll permanently scar my loved ones who watch me go through it.
It isn't death that scares me - it's the getting there.
The measure is on our ballot (California) for 2016 but even if it passes it won't go into effect until 2017. I hope it passes, just in case I need it.
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A year ago, I probably wouldn't have felt this way. But now, I can see it, under certain circumstances. I wouldn't want my family to have to watch me suffer, for who knows how long. But I wish they'd call it something else besides "assisted suicide" (even though that's what it is).
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I think we need a softer term. While technically, it *is* suicide, it's for a good reason/cause. For me, I like to say, 'my exit plan,' or something like that.
According to the RtD movement, they just call it assisted death.
I just know that people say cancer is supremely painful. My GP is worried for me and gently tries to talk to me about it. When my breast and nearby lymph node act up, sometimes it puts me in bed it's so painful. I try to imagine that pain over every square inch. It's really scary.
Ray gets leg cramps sometimes and he talks about how excruciating they are. The other day he said, "It's the kind of pain I want to run away from - to leave my body to get away from."
It's what I think about with cancer and I don't want to be trapped in a body that feels like that.
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Cee,
Thank you for your measured response to my post from last night. I appreciate that we can have civil discourse. I have not read every post in this entire thread in detail. If I read every thread in its entirety ... well, you know, I couldn't do that if I tried.
I do want to extend my condolences to you on the loss of your cherished pet. Having experienced this as a child and also a young adult, I do understand the loss of a pet. And I was/am touched by the scene which you described of sitting with your beloved animal and having made the choice for ending its life at that point so that it would not endure any more pain.
I think that perhaps you responded to my post last night at the same time that I was editing my post. You wrote "Diana, I just meant that I've never heard a peep out of you until you came in here to rush to Abigail's defense."
Well in looking back, I found that both our memories are a bit fuzzy ... so yesterday, I added this addendum to my previous post:
" edited to add a link to the brief contact we had when you started this topic:
https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/121/topic...
So I found a post from me to you and your response .... and I would think this would qualify as a 'kind word' and a cordial exchange between us."
1st page of this thread :-)
Diana
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My husband had stage IV bladder cancer, he died just three years ago, he was scared about pain too which is why he arranged to go in to hospice towards the end. I can't say enough about the treatment that he received there, the doctors came in frequently to make sure the meds were right to make him comfortable without feeling jittery or anxious. It was important to him to feel that he was still in control. Some others ask to be put under conscious sedation if things get bad, but you have to be competent to give permission.
For those of you in Canada May 3rd is Hike for Hospice day. I will be out walking, so will many families with kids and pets in tow. Last year there was a prize in my area for best dressed pooch.
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Cee, I know exactly what you mean, I do feel very lucky to have that choice now and was so glad when Canada passed that law. I am sorry for those who don't have that option because of religious reasons, or whatever.
"It isn't death that scares me - it's the getting there" . I feel exactly the same.
However, as Kathy mentioned, many people say pain can be managed, especially in a hospice situation, and it is not always asbad as you and I fear.
Re pain you are experiencing now: have you spoken to your doctor about painkillers? I see on the Stage IV threads people saying all the time that pain is not acceptable and you sometimes have to hound your doctors to get the right pain meds.
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Diana, yes I saw that post last night going thru the threads.
We were lucky to have those last sweet moments with our cat and getting to actually hold him in our arms as he left
Kathy, I am so sorry about your husband and glad he got great care at the end. I've had some lousy medical care and hear great things about Hospice, but think it's a shame that some of the best and most compassionate care we receive is only at the end. I've come up against so many doctors who are (pardon my language) pricks. Why not give some of that compassion at all stages of tx?
Deb, I haven't had incapacitating pain like that in a while. It's connected to the spike in estrogen which occurs in the body 1-2 weeks after the first day of our periods. If my mets are gonna hurt, that's when it happens.
I was told today my ins is processing my UCLA request (again) so if they get it right I'll get an onc...eventually.
Right now my GP is taking care of me and she is so sweet. We were talking about pain mgt. I don't need it yet but am really worried:
I used to be able to take stuff like Tylenol/codeine 3&4 and vicodin, and now those make me soooo sick! At the ER they gave me Dilaudid....a teeny little shot (1mg) which was ok - didn't help my pain a lot but I was ok. It wasn't til the 2nd teeny little shot 3 hrs later that I was barfing my head off for 4 hrs.
Even my GP is concerned because someone having no pain mgt during cancer is not a good thing. Everything she can offer makes me violently ill.
I am so sensitive to everything now. I can almost see why CoH thinks I will react the same to all AI's. I hope that isn't true because they're really the only thing I can take against this cancer aside from my oil and I don't even react properly to that (I read some people are over sensitive - that's me).
My GP was also discussing how if the cancer goes into my brain or liver how they may suggest IV chemo again....and SHE said this, not me - she says she thinks I will be one of those who despite all the great anti-nausea drugs they have out there, will be very sick anyway (IF I were to take chemo) due to all my sensitivities.
So I don't know what to do regarding pain control. She says I'd have to talk to an anesthesiologist and have him design a pain mgt regimen tailored to me. I can't see that happening since CoH was so against tailoring anything for me despite my severe sensitivities/allergies to meds.
My GP would like me to have off my right breast. It does bother me at times and the cancer is there on the outside but, I want to keep it for as long as possible.
The moment I have surgery a lot more cancer will be released into my body and for someone who doesn't want rads or chemo, I'd be asking for a faster spread. So far I'm doing well by doing nothing. I'm too nervous to bother the cancer. Though it's in several places, it's being relatively well-behaved and I don't want to piss it off.
I *am* feeling the met in my trachea - my windpipe aches a little or sometimes I get a mild throbbing that stings a little. It's just annoyance right now but I keep thinking of my cat and how he had that mass blocking his trachea. Suffocation is NOT what I had planned for my end.
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. all i do for pain these days is caffeine, the 2 cups of decaff green tea the long ago naturopath recommended & the organic cocoa powder, unsweetened (I add maple) no fat in it either, but as well as a bit of caffeine it has other chemicals probably help with pain. I've not used any opiates for 42 years. I also am/was very allergic to them. teeth decalcified from the nausea. yuck, I have a horror of them wintergreen oil is good topically for pain
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I hoped that dressing would last until tomorrow morning when I'll do a castor oil pack & a hair wash. not my favorite 45 + minutes a week
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Cee I feel so bad for you that your situation makes it difficult to take any medication AT ALL. I hope your doctor can figure out something that can help.
But btw, it's a myth that surgery will spread the cancer. I hope that misconception doesn't stop you from doing it, if it will help you in some way.
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Deb, PLEASE please explain - I am so scared about surgery. I read that the reason they do chemo and/or rads after surgery is to get errant cancer cells that got away. Isn't it true that cutting a tumor out/taking a diseased breast off will release cells into the body?
If I don't have chemo or rads doesn't that mean those cells are free to land somewhere and grow? Wouldn't surgery be more of a risk for me than for someone who intended to do the additional measures after?
Apologies if I am asking some really stupid questions. I have not done much research on surgery.
ps: my GP is concerned about post surgical pain mgt also
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Cee, you know that no questions are stupid!!! As far as I know (from my doctor and everything I've read), surgery does not spread cancer. If anyone else has more info on this, hopefully they will chime in.
Chemo and rads used as "adjuvant" treatment after surgery is usually done to eradicate any EXISTING cancer cells that might be present at a microscopic level (that could not be detected) and therefore could not be removed by surgery.....NOT cancer cells that were "released" as a result of surgery.
Hence, surgery without chemo and rads is not more of a risk in that sense, because the surgery will not be releasing additional cancer cells which will require chemo to mop up
In your case, because you are Stage IV, I believe surgery (and chemo) might be used with a different intent and protocol,but I'm not knowledgeable enough to explain how. If you post the question on the Stage IV board, I am sure there are many people on there who are more knowledgable.
Yes, there is post surgery pain, but for me, that was easily managed with pain meds. Again, with your situation, I don't know how they would deal with that if you cannot tolerate the meds. I've heard that cannabis is very good for pain. Not the oil, but actually inhaling it through a vaporizer. Have you tried that at all?
Have you discussed this with any of your doctors at all? I'm surprised that the oncologist has not explained all of this to you. Also, have you ever been seen by a breast surgeon? I know you are waiting to get a new oncologist, but maybe your GP would be able to explain more fully?
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Cee, it is not the surgery that sends the cancer cells roaming around the body. As soon as you have lympho-vascular invasion, there are cancer cells roaming, whether or not you have surgery. So, the chemo/rads is used when doctors can see that the cancer has had "access" to the lymph and/or vascular system, because surgery can't get at those cells.
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So, I think I would be at more risk of more cancer because I'm not taking those extra measures? I know it's in my body already, I just worry that it would be opening closed pockets of cancer and adding them to the mix when they might have taken much longer to get out on their own.
Maybe it's an irrational fear - I just worry what might happen if I don't have chemo etc along with surgery.
Due to my chronic cough I can't smoke cannabis at all so I tried the vaporizer - a good one brought to me by the folks who brought me my oil. One puff and I coughed for two weeks solid - it was horrible
I can't inhale cannabis in any way. I have to eat it, in edibles or oil form.
Speaking of coughing and cannabis, I have decided to try rectal dosing like what Sharon Kelly talks about in her video on You Tube about curing her lung cancer that way.
My collective only favors rectal dosing when the cancer is below the waist. Lung cancer is above the waist LOL!
Sharon Kelly, like me, was unable to attain the 1 gram per day via ingesting oil and so she went the backdoor route. She says b/c the stomach is avoided (known as the first pass) the user won't get high. She takes 1/2 gram, 2x daily - at wake up and bed.
I tried it before bed. Since I haven't used oil in months I began with 1/8 gram dissolved in organic coconut oil. I had the best sleep I've had in ages BUT, cannabis amplifies all sensations, like touch, for instance. It also amplifies annoying stuff, as in my case, the urge to cough. It's been nearly 12 hrs since my dose and I'm still coughing like an SOB.
That happened to me when I ingested but it seemed when I got more tolerant, the coughing spell only lasted around 30 mins. Hopefully I'll get some tolerance back, but I have to watch out if it zaps my appetite like it did before. I can't lose any more weight.
I can't say if it made me feel high or not because I was sleeping. I'll be back once I try it in the day and tell you whether rectal dosing does NOT make me high...or if it does.
I won't be dosing again til after the weekend. We missed faire last week because Ray hurt his foot so we're going today
I'll let you know how I go with my new way of taking oil LOL.
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Cee, you wrote:
"So, I think I would be at more risk of more cancer because I'm not taking those extra measures? I know it's in my body already, I just worry that it would be opening closed pockets of cancer and adding them to the mix when they might have taken much longer to get out on their own."
That is simply not so. The cancer cells are already loose in your system (sorry to be so blunt). Sometimes it can help to get rid of some of the tumors, both in terms of slowing the disease and in terms of QOL. It would be worth it to discuss the options carefully with a qualified doctor you trust.
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No worries on being blunt
I'm glad for the information. I don't see my GP again til May 18 and it's comforting to hear your guys' answers. It's better than nothing, which is what I had before asking the question.
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Cee, any time!
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Michele213-
Well said !
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Cee67 - How are you?
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Hi Ladies,
Sincere apologies for abandoning my topic. I'm still having issues getting medical care. I DID see an onc at UCLA and we discussed some tx options, but with how I reacted to Arimidex, I've now had two oncs at two different facilities tell me that IF that was an allergic reaction I had to it (instead of a sensitivity), that they feel my reactions would be similar on Femara (which I hear is a "sibling" to Ax) and even Aromasin. So I may not even get those steps.
The only thing left is what I hear is the drug of last resort, Faslodex (along with Lupron for me). I saw a vid on You Tube of someone getting Fas and OMG what a huge frikken needle! And I the nurse got each one in, in about 40 secs, when I read it should take 1-2 mins. No wonder the woman was breathless in pain. I'm a total WIMP around needles and I don't know....it looks painful.
But I don't have an onc again b/c, after spending 6wks trying to get in to UCLA, my medical group merged with another and UCLA fell out of their contract. I don't get to use the "continuity of care" option b/c UCLA was technically for a 2nd opinion only. But I can take her tx suggestions to the next onc, when I get one. I see my GP tomorrow.
All these delays have impacted my health, and on top of all of this I am in the middle of a tumultuous family issue due to a will and what it says. Much hostility is being directed toward me as I am the executor and a few don't like that. It's horrible. I can't rest and am under enormous stress and am in a deep depression that saps my motivation due to...just everything.
Okay, I talked about conventional tx, which I really shouldn't in this section but I wanted to tell you what has been suggested. I need to really think if I can face those injections every month...and of course, I worry if I'll be allergic to it as well and then suffer for a month waiting for the injection to wear off. Gosh I wish it was a pill....
Alt tx: still doing it - it's still cannabis oil. After repeated experimentation I've accepted I cannot ingest this substance. Many do just fine ingesting but a few can't and I can't. I know I mentioned this before but I now take a gram a day rectally ( 1/2g 2x daily). Each 1/2g is mixed with an equal amount of warm coconut oil, which melts the cannabis oil so the two mix completely. They stay mixed once in the syringe.
I've been on this regimen for about a month now and tolerate it completely. I know it would work better as a compliment to some other tx but I worry so much about how I'll react. I'm spooked after what happened on Ax. It was so painful and awful.
I'm sorry I don't have more to say. I spend a lot of time sleeping b/c my stress levels are so high. I'm having to worry about things and people and wish I could hand this off to someone else but I'm the only one so I try to slog through.
I must confess I don't know when I will be back here. I have a lot to work out at home and with my health. I feel bad I left here and I do think of you all.
I'm sorry for any PM's left unanswered. I hope things on my end will improve so I can get back to things like posting here.
Take care of yourselves. I hope to be back here sometime soon xx
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Thanks for the update. I hope everything works out for you for the best.
I just wanted you to know you were not forgotten.
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Can you ask your GP for a small amount of promethazine cough syrup? It acts on the part of the brain that has the urge to cough. It has helped me tremendously, with no nausea. It does have a trace amount of codeine in it, and I do believe a small amount of alcohol too. It works almost instantly, and has helped my quality of life tremendously. Before taking a little each day, I would go on a coughing jag, and couldn't even keep a beloved espresso down. Good luck to you. Oh yeah, what really caught my eye, was the fact that you went to CoH! OOOH!! That's where I go! Well, but not for too much longer, because there were things that happened to me there, that you would't want one of your beloved animals to go through! I would love to hear who your doctors were, if you would tell me in a pm, I will tell you mine and a little more of my experience. Of course CoH doesn't deal with my pain/ coughing issues, as they don't believe in them. (That I have them)! Like you, I am lucky to have an excellent Primary care doc in Glendale, whip smart and caring. He has asked if i have tried MM and I did tell him yes, but then I eat too much! I am barely able to tolerate the AIs', well, not really at all, so am back on tamoxifen for a month now, and i have really just pissed off CoH with my 'complaints'. Ha!
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Hi Ladies,
Back again after a long while.
Tomboy, I am going to try and message you about CoH as I'm hearing more and more bad things about them. I'm just in this major, MAJOR depression, as stated before, but I wanted to update again.
First, I may have to go over to the Stage IV forums as I have concerns that can likely only be answered there.
Second, I beg the indulgence of moderators because my topic has veered away from ALT and become sort of just an update blog and it's not always going to be about AltMed now. If you feel my topic would be better in another area go ahead and move it, just please PLEASE leave a note where because I'd lose my head if it wasn't attached right now; plus, maybe someone wants to follow me there.
UCLA - New Update:
Well! I went there ONE time as stated before. They insisted on having my image discs of mammos and a PET scan from Sept 2014. I was afraid to give them over and made them PROMISE not to lose them.
Guess what?
Wait for it....
They lost them!
I've tried to recover them but the place is so huge they can't even keep track of themselves. I could get copies again but time passes and my condition changes and I have a new PET so I'm going to let it go. I don't have the energy with all else happening with me.
UCLA Update 2:
They've been hacked and it's so bad they're working with the FBI and Computer Forensics to find out who did it and, after having just been there ONE time, guess what?
Wait for it....
They feel I've been a victim of identity theft, or could be one!
I'm so excited! Aren't you?
Just another awesome thing for me to worry about. I am now supposed to sign up on this website that's supposed to help me with any issues and look out for me. They're paying, for one year.
Update on family issues:
The will was bound by a trust, thank GOD, so all the whiners had to shut up and leave me alone and now they're being very nice to me because they're still waiting for their payouts.
Their payouts will come from the sale of a home that was owned by my grandfather and he passed last Oct.
My mother and her sister both lived there under his support so now, no house = no support for either. My aunt has gone off to one of her kids and is waiting for her payout. My mom is waiting for hers and I inherit too. Before I got sick it was agreed when this happened that my mom and I would combine our cash and live together with my husband.
More on that in a bit.
Promethazine: I tried it for my cough and, like with a lot of other things, discovered I'm not just sensitive, but actually allergic. It exacerbated the "walking" pneumonia that had been developing since Feb of this year. That's why I was coughing so much.
They said I had Anaphylaxis due to it but I was admitted to the hospital for 2 days with pneumonia and sepsis. My WBC was 17 (shouldn't be over 11 or 12).
It was comforting in a way to know it was bacterial and not the cancer causing it, though my lungs show numerous teeny mets from my PET in June.
They put me in the telemetry unit just in case. I couldn't breathe very well but after a night in the ER I felt so grimy. There was a shower in my room but they said no shower for me. I told them if they refused I'd disconnect the IV and the wires on my chest (my mom is an RN - I know how to take out an IV) and take a shower anyway. They left to talk to some doctor and came back and, suddenly, it's ok for me to take a shower.
I got lucky and had no roommate which was good because I'd have driven her nuts with all my coughing. The upside is hubby came and went as he wished, helped me with the shower, plugging and unplugging the IV from the wall, and bringing me delicious food from Taco Bell and Mc D's. I didn't eat a lot but despite being in a wonderful hospital, the food was awful! Not fit for a dog!
That's over a month ago now. I was on a numerous antibiotics and was fine but when they sent me home with oral Levaquin it made me violently ill (like most drugs seem to do). I had to take 3 8mg tablets of Zofran to keep down each tablet of Levaquin. Fortunately it was just once a day.
I stopped coughing altogether for a while which was great but now I have mild pain in my lungs and I do cough a little. I see my GP on the 24th and will ask her about it b/c my mom says pneumonia can go dormant but not really be gone and what happened to me was an "acute phase." I'd like for that to not happen again but I don't know if it can be stopped.
Back to my mom needing to come live with us:
She is living in an extended stay hotel for now but can't do that forever. She's good for another 6 months or so but I'm in a real dilemma:
My latest oncologist wants me to have something called a "toilet mastectomy." My gosh that sounds awful, like they're going to throw my breast in the toilet! (this is where I may have to go to S4 section). But, it's just a palliative measure to make me more comfortable because the cancer is on the outside of my breast.
I need to try and make a surgeon understand that I'm not certain if I want recon, and thus I'd like her to take both breasts. My kind of cancer (ER+) almost always recurs in the other breast and I don't think I'll have the courage to go back and repeat a mastectomy. And, if this is indeed JUST a palliative measure, it should be what I want, b/c it's not about saving my life any longer, but just about comfort.
I've met this surgeon before, back when she thought I was stage III and she wasn't receptive to what I wanted at all. I hope at Stage IV she will change her demeanor.
I have gone through hell with the will/trust and selling the house. Hubby works all day and my mom can't do anything with computers and just waits for things to happen. She's always been like this which is how she ended up an RN living at home.
Now I have to face a surgery I'm super scared of because I'm not sure if they'll be able to manage my pain b/c all pain meds make me really sick. Then I'm supposed to recover from this and look for a house for the 3 of us...all this in 6 mos!
I've had anxiety attacks that nearly required calling 911. I can't even take my oil anymore b/c I had switched to rectal administration, and without going into specifics, my anxiety has me in the bathroom several times a day. Even Lomotil doesn't help me, and that's a miracle pill when you have the runs.
I shake almost constantly. I can't stop the anxiety. I take xanax at night and my GP gives me enough for round the clock administration but, it makes me so sleepy I don't like taking it in the day.
I once had surgery and panicked so badly they nearly canceled b/c I was turning blue. That's the level of fear I have. I think that may be the mystery why blood tests are so difficult. All the techs during my last hospital visit said I was the hardest person to draw from they'd ever encountered.
When you're really scared all your blood rushes inward to your core. Your arms and legs get clammy and cold. That's what happens to me so even when they finally get a vein there's no blood there.
Painful blood draws = fear = cause of painful draw. Every pain med I've tried makes me violently ill = fear of surgery = fear of IV insertion/finding blood/veins = pain and it goes round and round.
If I were rich and famous I'd check in a day before surgery and have them get me loaded up on IV anti-anxiety meds. I'm sure my insurance won't cover that. I may look in to the cost and see if my inheritance would cover it. I get so frightened that my oral meds don't even touch it.
My onc says she can't even try to treat me with ANY tx (chemo/AI's etc) until the one breast is off...and I'm still deciding if I even have the guts to try any of those after what happened with Ax...let alone have the courage to do this surgery. Even if I DO try chemo, I'll feel like crap and still have to be looking for a house so my mom can come stay with us.
Of course I can put off surgery and look for the house first, putting my health aside to help my mom but no one wants me to do that, not even her. It all just makes me shake and panic every waking moment.
To those who've emailed and messaged me, this is why I have not responded. I am truly sorry, but ever since my grandfather passed and thus, his support for certain family members, everything has fallen to me and life has become a giant mess. I am the only one in the family he trusted with all of this. He would feel terrible if he could see what's happened but there was honestly no one else to handle the family save for me. I am the most responsible one of all the members, hence being left as executor.
I will come back here when I can. Please PLEASE know I have never forgotten you gals and I think of you almost daily.
I am a secular person, yet I am spiritual. Whether you pray and regardless of who you pray to; or if you just talk to the universe, please put in a good word for me. I can use all the prayers/good vibes/positive energy I can get right now.
Thanks, and much love xx
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Good to see you've made it back. I was starting to worry about you.
So sorry about all you are going thru. UCLA lost your records? Unreal, but so much of what goes on in life seems that way to me these days.
Anyway, welcome back.
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Ask about a paravertebral block, which is a regional anesthesia. Then make very clear you don't want pain meds. My last mastectomy I had NO pain meds during, or after surgery, or even in the weeks after surgery.
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Thanks for the welcome back Labelle. UCLA lost my image discs. My records they have, but those are part of what the hacker got. I couldn't care less if he sees my medical info but they said my crucial stuff may also have been hacked.
Windingshores, that's really interesting! My mom shattered her elbow a few years back and anesthesia always makes her really sick. She said her anesthesiologist said he was going to give her a "nerve block." She said it's the only surgery she's ever had where she wasn't throwing up in the recovery room.
However the pain relief didn't last like yours and she was on pain meds during her hospital stay.
Unfortunately her elbow fell apart again a few months later and they said she couldn't have the same kind of block because they needed to make sure she had full function in her hand/arm - it had something to do with that, so she didn't get one and, as usual, was throwing up in recovery.
Something we were discussing today though is, that IV meds don't seem to make me *as* sick as oral. I forgot that oral is absorbed in the GI tract and IV meds aren't. For ex: IV Levaquin made me a tad queasy and was easily stopped with 8mg of Zofran. But the oral Levaquin made me violently ill the first time so the next dose I took 16mg of Zofran 30 mins before the tablet and was still queasy. The next day I took 24mg 30 mins before and that managed the nausea.
I'd love to have your experience - it sounds relatively painless. I'm going to talk to them about it and see if I'm a candidate.
I did have a 1mg IM injection of Dilaudid during a previous ER visit and I was fine. They gave me another 1mg dose before I left and I was vomiting for 3 solid hours after....and that didn't go through my stomach. Dilaudid is on the hospital's list of things I can't take.
It's a mystery to me by what mode I should take a given drug. It all just makes me nervous and afraid. I do not want to wake up after losing my breast(s) and heaving uncontrollably. That sounds excruciatingly painful and is why I debate whether to have the surgery or not. While I haven't spoken to a surgeon or anesthesiologist about pain relief, the oncologists I've spoken to have not provided me with any sort of assurance that my pain can be controlled w/o nausea, and thus my fear remains.
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I have a lot of other health problems, many of them involving autoimmunity, and even my surgeon was nervous about surgery for me. That is why I did one breast at a time.
The paravertebral block was suggested by the surgeon due to my sensitivity to all meds. It lasted about 4 days. I did not mean to imply that I had no pain in my recovery though. I did Reiki a lot! The first time I did take Oxycodone but the second time my GI system was too slowed down and I really didn't use anything.
In the hospital they can put you on a pump that is within your control, for an IV bolus of a pain med. Usually it is dilaudid but I am sure they can do others. Dilaudid made me vomit for sure!
I can understand your fears. But I am so so glad I had the surgeries. And in a weird way it was empowering. I am afraid of planes and felt the same after I finally got on one! Good luck!
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