Do the Clinical Trials work well? I'm on medicare :(

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Due to financial reasons, I'm thinking about going that route. I have my first appt with an oncologist Dec 31st. Can some of you who've been there done it, give me some insight on what I'd be up against?

I'm on Medicare. I think with the ways they deal with it now, will eat me alive in co-pays. the surgeon wants me to do chemo first. I've yet to find out what medicare pays on chemo. I know the deductable for inpatient is very high for me.

I've not talked to their financial director (or what ever they call them) yet.

Scared to death....not for chemo, loosing my hair, being sick...more for the financial part of it I will have to pay off for a VERY long time.

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  • armamp95
    armamp95 Member Posts: 44
    edited December 2014

    Dear brend ...

    I was on Medicare only for my first DX in 2005, and eaten up by copays and deductibles. I now have a Medicare Supplement plan, so thankfully this time around (when my treatment is a lot more extensive) that is not a big concern. Certainly, during my first go-around, some of my decisions were partly cost driven (MX vs. LX, to avoid additional costs for rads.).

    Pick the brain of the financial folks and social workers at your cancer center ... and perhaps track down some Medicare-specific counseling through the local Agency on Aging (whatever it may be called where you live). Also, every state has a volunteer SHIP program (State Health Insurance Assistance Program) who might be able to help you figure all this out.

  • brend
    brend Member Posts: 66
    edited December 2014

    I had checked out some of the medicare suppliment plans, and they were an extra $500 to $600 a month. It just wasn't going to work with what I get a month at ALL.

    I don't know any of the terms yet. What is MX and LX and Rads?

  • armamp95
    armamp95 Member Posts: 44
    edited December 2014

    Are you under 65? Rates are WAY better for 65-plus, so be sure to recheck the numbers when you reach 65. My rate now is well under $200 monthly.

    I was once a SHIP volunteer (until my medical problems popped up), so my training is rusty and state-specific. You may be eligible for Medicaid, check on that locally. Even if not on ongoing basis, you might qualify during months that medical costs spike.

    As for the abbreviations, there is a thread here on BCO with a 'cheat sheet', but I am too new to remember where to find it! MX is mastectomy, LX lumpectomy, rads means radiation.

  • brend
    brend Member Posts: 66
    edited December 2014

    I'm 57, and had to go on disability in 2006 for another illness. I know my surgeon says things work better with chemo before mastectomy. I just don't know if they will also want me to do radiation behind that too. With the way things are looking, to me, I may be selling my car, to get one that is paid for. That is the only option I see of freeing any money up at all.

    Did you do a clinical trial hon? And thank you SO MUCH for replying on Christmas day!

  • armamp95
    armamp95 Member Posts: 44
    edited December 2014

    No, I didn't do a clinical trial ... but near as I can tell, Medicare treats them similarly to your other care (i.e., same copays, etc.). I am currently down for count after a rocky round of chemo, so spending Christmas Day curled up on the couch! Do try to get advice about the financial angles before selling your car, etc.

    I was on disability from separate health issues since 1998, Medicare since 2000 ... thank goodness this second DX (diagnosis) waited until after I turned 65!

  • brend
    brend Member Posts: 66
    edited December 2014

    Bless your heart hon. I've been knocked down by depression today. Not sure if I'd rather it been from chemo or not though. At least people understand when your sick from chemo. They give you the deer in the headlight look when you start crying on Christmas day at the dinner table.

    Hate it knocked you down for Christmas hon.

    I live alone, so what I get is ALL I have on disability. Mine is IDC too. I guess I need to learn how to add that stuff to my profile.

    I looked up what medicare pays on some of it. Looks like I'll have to pay the 20% and Medicare pays 80% of what "they feel" the treatment "should" cost. Which we both know is much lower than it should be.


  • justaveragejane
    justaveragejane Member Posts: 10
    edited December 2014
    1. As long as all of your providers accept Medicare assignment it doesn't matter how much they bill because they will accept Medicare rates and your 20% co insurance is based on those rates. I am not familiar with your state's Medicaid regulations but in AZ you can apply to have Medicaid supplement your Medicare if you fit the income requirements. You should give them a call and see if you qualify. Good luck and so sorry you were upset on Christmas.
  • brend
    brend Member Posts: 66
    edited December 2014

    Kayb, thank you SO much for the info you gave me. It does help tremendously. Are you able to talk about your clinical trial? Was it a different type of chemo, or prescription medications? Meds for nausea? if you can't talk on the board..please pm me.

    Thank you for telling me to edit my email out!!! Brain not working right now...LOL

  • armamp95
    armamp95 Member Posts: 44
    edited December 2014

    brend, as kayb said, generally with clinical trials you are responsible for most of the same copays and deductibles as with conventional treatment, whether it is with Medicare or other insurance ... and perhaps some additional costs due to study protocols, extra travel, etc. ... look before you leap!

    Best wishes to you!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited December 2014

    brend - I recommend that you PM your email address to kayb - this is a public forum and you just put your private info on it.

    I can't speak to your Medicare question but I do participate in a clinical trial and have no associated costs other than travel to and from, and neither does my insurance company. Costs can be dependent on who is sponsoring the trial. This is a recurrence prevention trial - I was done with active treatment already. Something to take into consideration is that I believe some oncology practices bill chemo drugs as medical treatment, rather than prescription drugs. This means that it is coded differently and is more likely to be covered at a higher rate. Check with the financial folks at your center on this. Also many drug manufacturers have patient assistance programs available - your center should be able to help you with this too.

  • brend
    brend Member Posts: 66
    edited December 2014

    Thanks SpecialK for telling me to remove my email addy. Of course, so much in my mind now, its just not functioning right. Duh on my part. Its good to know chemo isn't billed as a Medicine, as with medicare, you go into the "donut hole" so fast, then your paying full price for ALL medications till you hit about 6k.

    The treatment center I will be going to, is only about 3 miles from my home, thank God!

    With one medication in the past, I found out fast those patient assistance programs call Medicare part D a "government funded program". That automatically disqualified me for assistance with medication in the past. I had to get one medication from a Canadian website, till it went generic here. They had the generic up there. Once I hit that donut hole, local pharmacy wanted $1,200 for a 3 month supply of one medicine here in USA :-O I got generic out of Canada for $90 for 3 month supply.

    Everyone's info you are supplying me with is really helping me a LOT. Will certainly help me make better decisions on this. If you have any info, you can't put on the forum, pm me and I'll pm you back my email addy.

    I don't qualify for extra help. I worked for the county before I had to go out on disability. That extra small check disqualified me for any extra help. I checked into that back when I was first put on Medicare.

    I live alone, which doesn't help matters.

  • brend
    brend Member Posts: 66
    edited December 2014

    ewwwww Kayb, that muga is the one I think was such a pia. Isn't that the one they make you drink yucky stuff for an hour before the test? I've had so many tests, getting them all confused. Hospital where I had that done said the store was out of the Koolaid Fruit punch, they usually get. So they got Lemonaid Koolaid instead. I can't put down what I told the guy at the hospital, when he told me that!!! Needless to say, I think he got the message to try another store, and NEVER use Lemonaid again.

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited December 2014

    Nah, you don't need to drink a yucky drink before a PET scan. Again, like the MUGA, a PET scan involves injecting a tracer into your blood, waiting an hour, and then lying down on flat surface which moves into various positions so that you can be scanned. For me, the weirdest part of the PET scan is the diet recommendations -- my PET center bans sugar/carbs the day before and insists on a protein diet (eggs, meat, cheese, etc.). Ugh.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited December 2014

    I have had three PET scans and did have to drink a sugary drink after the radio tracer injection. This type of PET illuminates by FDG (a type of glucose) avid uptake - cancerous tumors and other benign conditions absorb the glucose - this is why you limit carbs and sugars for a time period prior. The radioactive tracer allows the machine to create 3D images of things that have absorbed the sugar. Not all PET scans use the drink, but I believe most do, about 90%.

  • brend
    brend Member Posts: 66
    edited July 2015

    I am SO GLAD I joined the clinical trial! Its covering the Herceptin and Perjetta 100%. That, so far, has really REALLY helped a lot with the bills! They say those 2 are the most expensive drugs. I will be on both of them, since I'm now on the 2ond 1/2 of this journey. I had mastectomy June 25th, 2015. Just started chemo again (her2+), with herceptin and perjetta.

    The clinical trial lady has been more than wonderful! I was told before chemo started, that I'd be getting those 2 medications anyway. But after joining the trial, they are free. The extra tests I need, for the trial, are also covered by the trial.

    I'd certainly suggest anyone who is not wealthy, to check into the clinical trials. Write down the questions you want to ask before hand. I hope my "update" will help someone make the decision on whether or not to go this route. I do NOT regret it at all, especially since I'll be doing a full year of chemo, and those 2 drugs are both used most of the year.

  • Stephmoen
    Stephmoen Member Posts: 563
    edited August 2015

    brend what clinical trial are you on?

  • brend
    brend Member Posts: 66
    edited August 2015

    I do not know the name of it. But it does cover Herceptin and Perjeta.

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited August 2015

    Hi. I have a Medicare Advantage plan from Humana. I DONT pay for it. I have no to low co pays for Dr visits. No to low co pays for drugs and tests. It is a HMO plan.

    This is different than the supplement plans that cost so much monthly. My DH has the same.

    Suggest you check into this when open enrollment comes in Nov. Save some $$$.

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