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I was told two tablets in the morning then 2 tablets 12 hours later. I do 7am and 7pm. Just took it a couple of hours ago.
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Gretagirl -- I hated buzzing my hair off, too. Best of luck with your second infusion!
KateB79 -- My dosing was like Gretagirl's. MO's all have their preferences; calling in to the office was a smart move. Dexamethasone is a steroid, and often interferes with sleep. You might get some sleep aids ready if it keeps you up. (MO prescribed Ativan so I could get through the "steroid insomnia" nights.) Best wishes for your first infusion!
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Gretagirl call your MO to be sure about the pills.
Jerseygirl927 Boston, she had some good choices. Brigham an WIlliams/Sidney Farber and Mass General.
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Kate, double-check with your MO, but I took one the night before, and then one pill morning and night the day of and the day after chemo. I had terrible crashes after stopping the steroids each time, and we made a plan (by round 5 or 6) to taper me off more slowly.
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Thanks, ladies! The nurse echoed your good advice--she said to take two in the morning and two twelve hours later. Here's hoping I'm not up all night or that, if I am, I'm productive.

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kate - I didn't have oral steroids for my first three infusions, as my MO likes to limit them if possible and I got them as a pre-med on the day of treatment with my infusion. I developed a rash after #3 so he then prescribed them in the before/during/after dosing for the remaining three infusions. I actually enjoyed the energy boost and was productive - I made sure I was caught up on laundry, bills paid, food cooked ahead, house clean - all courtesy of the steroids, lol! I figured I was going to be laying around a bit afterward so it didn't matter if I was tired from being awake for so long. Like Cassie, I did have issues with the crash from the after-infusion dosing, so I halved the pills and stretched them out for the after-infusion doses so I could ease off instead. If you experience the crash ask your MO if you can do that.
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Hey Gretagirl. I get my second TCH on Thursday so we are close together. 😊 I too had to shave my head last week. Did it on Thursday. It was sad but did ok. Glad things are going ok for you. Hope #2 goes well. Regarding steriods...I get the steroids as a premed. Never had the pills. When you talk about a crash what does that entail? I get very sleepy after about day 2 when the steriods wear off but is there more to be prepared for?
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ElaineTherese thank you!
Lago the way I take the decade on is my paper work from chemo class. I also take two am mad pm the day following chemo then off of them. So far I haven't had sleep issue or crash feeling.
SpecialK I do bet an energy boost too! Cleaning house now!
MMay I saw we close to same schedule. Hope yoursecond goes smoothly
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sorry Lago that was supposed to say decadron!
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Ah the decadron rush. I started at 8mg (2- 4mg tabs twice daily) day before and day after, given 12 mg iv as part of premed. By 4th I was cut back to 2 mg twice daily. To avoid the crash, which is no energy, sleeping, opposite of the rush. :I did take 2mg daily for 2 more days. At the higher dose I had tachycardia with chest pain and high blood sugar with sweating along with shortness of breath (thought I was having a heart attack) I did go to ER. Dehydration. It was Memorial day so did not call MO.
Will do laundry when I get off from work at 11pm.
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My onc had me take the steroids the first infusion - they are to make sure you do not have a reaction. After I showed no reaction the first time, I did not have to take them but I think a small amount was included with the infusion thereafter.
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Birdysmom--we have very similar diagnoses, though my tumor was 5.5 cm. and I had it surgically removed with BMX prior to chemo. My doctors didn't realize how large my tumor was, nor did they anticipate I'd have so many affected nodes. As it turns out, surgery was a good call, because my tumor was not attached to the breast wall and was (relatively) easily removed. Like you, I was diagnosed with IDC in June, triple positive, stage 3c, no family history of BC...but I'm 45, not 44.
I have a Jewish background on my dad's side, but my genetic testing turned up negative for any mutations, though I did have a variant of unknown significance in the CHEK2 gene.TonLee--thanks for the encouraging words! Good luck with the move!
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Any of you had TCH (maybe with P) and NOT had problems with white counts? My MO doesn't want to give me Neulasta/Neupogen unless my counts crash, and she's not sure they will. I'm on the fence about taking this chance; I'm a university professor, surrounded with college kids (who are less petri-dish-like than first-graders, but not by much), so I thought I'd kick this to you as a question.
re: dex . . . Took it this morning, and feel mildly tired, but certainly not a rush. I guess we'll see what happens later today.

kate
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I had TCH, and white counts dropped a bit but had neulasta only two times later in the regimen (make sure the nurse warms the syringe, or gives it to you to warm in your hands a few minutes before injecting so it doesn't sting so bad going in). I volunteered at an elementary school with my kids at the time, and never got sick.
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kate - my MO did Neulasta pre-emptively, and I think many do, but some docs like to avoid Neulasta with taxanes because of the combined bone pain side effects, the cost and the possibility that it is not needed. Are you having a weekly blood draw - during the weeks between chemo infusions? The good news is that if your WBC tanks at the nadir a week or so after infusion your doc can start Neupogen and prophylactic antibiotics to increase your WBC mid-cycle, or just the antibiotics and give Neulasta 24 hours after your next infusion, since Neulasta has more sensitive timing limitations when given after chemo.
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Thanks geewhiz and SpecialK! I'm not sure about the mid-cycle blood draws--I'll ask her that tomorrow. I got the impression that they favor Neupogen anyway, given the Neulasta side effects. We shall see.
Another thing added to my list of things I never planned to think about: will I need a shot to boost my white count? I've always had a crazy-healthy immune system that I guess I took for granted!
In other news, if one more person says something to me about apricot kernels or cottage cheese with flax oil (or anything along those lines) being curative, I may lose my mind. I get that cancer, and its treatment, is scary. But "not believing" in chemo in the abstract is much, much different than having high-grade BC and wanting to live to see 40 and beyond. A colleague of mine wants to chat today, via phone--we've never talked on the phone before--and I just have this feeling that she's going to tell me about some cure that's too good to be true. I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I've had it with well-meaning "you really don't need chemo" people. YES. I DO NEED CHEMO. And I also need to continue to eat healthy and exercise, which I've been doing for years. . . .
Sorry for the vent. But it had to come out.
kate
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kate - my MO did weekly CBC even with Neulasta, just to make sure it was indeed working. They did an instant read CBC, only took 10 minutes between the draw and results. It might be something to consider initially to see how your counts hold up. As far as the well-meaning folks who advise cottage cheese, coffee enemas, laetrile, or asparagus, etc. - tell them you appreciate their intentions but that you are an intelligent and informed patient and you have researched your options, spoken with your docs at length, and have determined that chemo and targeted therapies hold the best hope and treatment outcomes for your specific situation - offer to send them the statistics for the treatment you have chosen versus what they are recommending. If that doesn't make them stop, put them on ignore.
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Kate,
My MO was a Neulasta fan, but only during the Adriamycin/Cytoxan phase of my chemo. Despite my germy students, I only got sick once (it was during the Taxol/Herceptin/Perjeta phase), and that was from a stomach virus my kids brought home from school.
Yes, everyone knows the cure for cancer, and it's not chemo! I was at my grandmother's funeral in November, and one of my Mom's friends lectured me for over 45 minutes about some miracle product she'd seen advertised on TV! Ugh.
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When does the bone pain begin after a Neulasta shot and how long does it typically last. My mo wants to give me one after my infusion tomorrow.
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MMay, I never had bone pain after Neulasta; it's a common side effect, but not everyone gets it.
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MMay, I got the bone pain only once after the first Neulasta shot. It occurred about 2 to 3 days after the shot. The other Nulasta shots were all pain free once my body acclimated to it. I definitely took the Claritin with each injection though just to be on the safe side.
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MMay not everyone has the pain. Also the first one, if you do get pain is the worst. I had my shot on a Wednesday morning. Saturday and Sunday I couldn't even stand up straight because of the pain in my back. That was the first one. After that it wasn't so bad. I would take an Aleve to take the edge off. If you do decide to take something for it check with your oncologist. I didn't take narcotics because they make me nauseous. My MO OKed the Aleve.
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I never had any bone pain with Neulasta either. But I did take Claritin the day before, day of, and a couple days after the shot. My MO automatically gave me Neulasta during my AC treatment. My second MO had my blood drawn the day before my weekly Taxol/Herceptin/Perjeta and gave me Neupogen when needed. I've always been really healthy but I had to get neupogen before almost all my weekly treatments.
My mom and her husband were the only ones to lecture me about my treatment options. They thought I should just have surgery. I got emails from them from some quack websites saying chemo never cures so it shouldn't be done, women shouldn't do self breast exams because it causes undue stress when it doesn't really matter because I was probably going to die anyways. She also told me it was my fault I got BC because I took birth control. It's great when you have such a supportive mother! (Sense any sarcasm?
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Another suggestion I got about the neulasta shotwas to get it in the stomach. I'm not sure if that helped but I figured it couldn't hurt so why not.
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I did 6 rounds of TCHP - no neulasta shot. I never got sick during treatment, either. Blood counts stayed okay. Liver enzymes were got really wonky, and had them reduce the dosage at two infusions.
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I did not have bone pain from Neulasta, but did take Claritin (10mg loratidine) an hour prior to the injection and continued for several days at 24 hour intervals. I have a friend whose onc said to half the interval with Claritin and take it every 12 hours instead, but only do that if your onc advises it. I have seen and heard that taking Aleve, as lago said, is particularly helpful with this type of discomfort, more so than narcotics - which don't seem to work as well and can constipate. I did take some Tylenol and also took advantage of very warm bath/showers and found that this helped. One of the problems with Neulasta after a taxane chemo is that they both can cause bone pain, so it can be difficult to know which thing is causing it.
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Thanks everyone, so helpful. I'm hoping for the best. I can't take any NSAIDs due to blood thinner so I'll look at the Claritin and Tylenol if needed. It is nice to be prepared just in case.
wpmoon glad to hear you had a good experience besides the liver enzymes. 😄 and you look great!!
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neulasta also let it sit out for about 15-20 minutes before you get it. If its cold it will sting a little. I got mine at home. Husband shot me up in my belly.
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Some are now also receiving a Neulasta self-injector that is attached as you leave your chemo infusion, has a timer, and injects - you remove it and dispose of it. Especially good for those who have a commute to their center. Here is a link:
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Home from second chemo TCH. Felt good when I got home so I jumped on my bike and took a ride. Energy level from steroid I am sure. I will go tomorrow for Neulasta I had bone pain time last time I took my Claritin and 2 Advil but had to take Aleve to stop pain. It was not anunbearable pain just dull ache. I took it for five days after neulasta shot.
Mmay I hope your infusion goes well tomorrow.
The most advice I have gotten from well wishers about cancer treatment was to check out info on keeping my ph in balance. Thank goodness no one has told me what you have been told Mommato3.
Wpmoon glad you did so well with your treatments!
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