Just got the call
Hi everyone. New here just got the call on Friday. I don't know anything about the tumor except the size, which is 2.8 cm. Right breast. Seeing the surgeon next week. I'm 51.
I've had a lifelong complicated history of benign breast problems, with my first breast surgery at age 12. I was later diagnosed with fibrocystic breasts, and the problems have continued ever since. I've had unexplained nipple discharge since my twenties that decades later was finally diagnosed as intraductal papillomas after the discharge turned bloody, microcalcifications, ambiguous lumps galore, multiple benign biopsies. It was always worrisome but you get used to hearing that it is benign and you expect it. I can't believe after everything I have been through this is finally really happening. I wouldn't be surprised if all of the radiation from diagnostic procedures I have had from a very young age actually caused the cancer.
I know a lot about breast cancer because of all the scares but what I don't know is how to make all of the decisions I have to make. And I'm freaked out about the size of it and the fact that it has probably been there for about 5 years. It has been itching in the spot where the tumor is for almost 5 years, but everyone kept telling me itching isn't usually sign of breast cancer, so every time the mammogram came back clean I was relieved and moved on. I had just had a very thorough diagnostic mammogram and ultrasound in May of 2014 for a different benign lump, and they didn't see the current lump then. The benign one was more ambiguous, because it felt like the normal lumpiness I get but I was looking for reasons to explain the itch because I thought it might be growing.
Because of the fibrocystic condition it was never a question of do I have lumps because I always have them. All I can do is look for weirdness, and this current lump was definitely different. I only felt it about a month and a half ago (let it go a menstrual cycle because they often come and go). How can it be that big without me knowing it was there sooner and not showing up in any of the past scans?
I'm trying not to freak out but I've also had some back pain for years. That has basically been written off as being due to my weight, and I'm sure that's partially true because I've had it so long, but for the last couple of years it has been worse on the right side. Shoulder blade, area of liver and kidneys. I've also had some tender spots on my chest that I always thought were cysts because I have them all over the place, including my armpits, and they always have that same tender feeling. There are non-scary explanations for everything but the tumor, but the mind starts to wander. Lymph nodes! It's already spread everywhere! blah blah blah blah blah until I drive myself crazy worrying that things are only going to get worse from here.
I can handle dealing with even a semi-hopeful prognosis, but I don't know what I'll do if it's too late to do anything about it. I assume it's going to be awhile before they have all the information they need to stage it. How do you stand the waiting?
Can anyone talk me down?
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The size doesn't seem as big a deal as the makeup of the tumor. Is it aggressive, is it hormone positive, her2 positive are lymph nodes involved. Any tumor 2 cm and under is considered small. Once you get more info like the pathology report you know what you are dealing with. Don't be shy asking for anti anxiety meds now. This was the hardest time the not knowing. Your mind won't stop the dwelling on the what ifs.
I was 53 and a complete basket case with worry thinking I would not live to see grandkids. Now I hardly really worry. Once you know and do what ever treatment you can move on. Now it is difficult because you don't know what your looking at.
I will pray your journey is an easy one.
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Thanks Meow13. He didn't want to tell me anything more on the phone than the size (and only that because I asked), because he said he didn't want to depress me. I go, too late! He's an awesome doctor and I could tell he felt as bad telling me as I felt hearing the news. But he's not primarily a breast specialist so I don't know if I should have him do the surgery. I have used him for the benign stuff because he's closer and nicer than the breast specialists I've seen (there are only a few in my area and I've been to them all), and he'll order the diagnostic mammo and U/S when I call about a new problem, so I can keep the appointments to a minimum. It's nothing he missed though, because when the radiologists tell you there's nothing to biopsy, what's he gonna do?
He did say I need a wide excision. Is there anything that can be read into that, that he's so sure already that is what I need? I was thinking I might skip that if they don't need it for some diagnostic purpose, and just go for whatever the final surgery is going to be the first time, so I don't have to have more than one. I've pretty much decided I should have a double mastectomy because some of the benign issues put me at a higher risk, and now that I have it I definitely don't want it to come back. It would also be too hard to live with the benign problems, needing to have every single thing checked out, and wondering if they are missing something. I'll wait until I know more to decide for sure, but I've always wanted a breast reduction haha
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Hi solfeo,
We understand and are sorry for what you are going through. Meow13 is correct. You'll need a lot more information to make your decisions. You may even want to consider a second consultation with a breast surgeon, just to help you chose the right treatment team.
We're all here for you
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2nd opinion is what i did as most of us, think Positive and have HOPE, in my prayers. msphil(idc,stag2, 03 nodes,Lmast,c hemo and rads and 5 yrs on tamoxifen) -
solfeo I think what he means by "wide excision" is a type of surgery to remove the tumor. "Lumpectomy", "Wide Excision", "Partial Mastectomy" are often used interchangeably. That would be instead of a bilateral mastectomy. So you would choose between those two (lumpectomy or mastectomy). The best thing about my entire experience was being at a NCI designated comprehensive cancer center. You can google that. Every single doctor and provider you need is under one roof, working together, deciding together what is the best thing for you. If you need to travel to find an oncological breast surgeon anyway (which you should have; you want a specialist), find the closest NCI designation comprehensive cancer center and go there. At least go there for a plan of care, even if you have someone else implement it.
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Thanks everyone.
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I'm off to the surgeon to get the first batch of information. Wish me luck!
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Solfeo -- how did you make out?
Keep us posted!
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Thanks Mod,
I started a new thread for the path results (not complete yet)
https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/5/topic/8...
The decision about the surgeon was made easier because he said although he is willing to do the surgery, that he did recommend a BS. So I didn't have to agonize over that one. On my way to my GP right now, so she can help me start to coordinate things.
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Why can't any part of this be easy, or at least not more problematic than it has to be. Saw my PCP, finally decided on one of the two expert surgeons. I've seen them both in the past. One I don't like much and the other I like but her office staff has put me through hell in the past during a benign scare. I wouldn't go to either of them if it wasn't so serious. Decided to go with the nicer one and deal with her people since the not so friendly one is a poor communicator. Neither choice was ideal but it did seem clear that I need a doctor I can talk to.
Left the office feeling great that a decision was made, but they were closing early so asked me to call the surgeon myself when I got home. That's when I found out she is on vacation the rest of August! The breast center referred me to their general surgery department at their hospital, to doctors who "do a lot of breasts" but are not BC specialists. PCP's office was closed. Another day, another unresolved issue!
What do I do now? Go to the woman I don't like, or to someone possibly not quite as skilled and experienced? Without further information I had been strongly leaning toward dbl mx but I don't trust Dr. Poor Communication Skills to give me all the info I need to make such a drastic choice.
I know no one can make this choice for me, but thoughts anyone? A lumpectomy now just to get it out of me (I really want it out), and then deal with the MX later? I really wanted to minimize the number of surgeries, and what if they don't get clear margins the first time? I have a major fear of general anesthesia.
I was hoping to go to my appt with my CAM doc tomorrow with this already decided, and ready to focus on the positive things I can do to shore up my health for what I have to go through next. I plan to do conventional with CAM support. Hard to do one step at a time at this rate. -
Hi solfeo. Sorry to hear about this. That is a long time to be dealing with breast issues!I can see how you would want to be laying that to rest- double mx.. You could just do a lumpy now, sounds like that is what the wide incision would be, and that would give you more time. If I was you, I would just go to the regular surgeon that you were talking about, earlier. Especially since it sounds like you have an excellent rapport with him. Because breast surgeons aren't rocket scientists-- they are just surgeons who decided to specialize. Not much actually,physically TO the breast, really. It is one heck uvva thing to try and figure out, isn't it? Best to you.
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solfeo, I have to let you know what I did. I was diagnosed memorial weekend with a small tumor. Was at the general surgeon Tuesday morning. Things went really really fast, I have IDC with triple negative. I decided right away I was having a double mastectomy. It was a right choice for me. I'm 56. I had this general surgeon before. I had 3 lymph nodes removed a few years back on the same side as my tumor, they were swollen like a golf ball and very sore. Came back fine. Anyway, I loved him. So, that's where I went. My surgery went perfect. No problems. I healed really fast and great. I really was happy I chose him. It worked for me.
Then off for chemo. I did get a second opinion on chemo, at Hershey Cancer center in PA. In my area. That female cancer doctor said my surgeon did a fantastic job on my mastectomy. That confirmed I chose the right person.
From the biopsy, breast and body MRI, I had surgery two weeks later. It didn't give me much time to think. But it worked for me.
Hang in there. Try to talk to someone who has been there. I knew two people who had two separate surgeries and both told me they wished they would have done the double surgery right away. That helped make up my mind. But, that is what was right for me. I haven't even thought about reconstruction surgery. I want to get thru chemo and healthy before that step. Not even sure I want to do it yet....
Good luck, my friend. Go with a gut feeling. Don't choose a doctor you don't like. You won't be happy.
Ruth
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One thing to ask a general surgeon is whether he/she is part of a team with experience in doing sentinel node biopsy. I liked the well-respected general surgeon I first visited, but he said, "If I can't find the sentinel node, I'll just take them all." I don't think so!
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I was afraid of general anesthesia (and react to a lot of meds). I did my breasts separately so I had shorter procedures. I had a paravertebral block both times. I asked the anesthesiologists to please not give me any pain meds (the block takes care of pain anyway, and I don't do well with pain meds). The first time, they gave me dilaudid anyway and I vomited, felt out of it etc. The second time they remembered and did what I asked and I felt completely normal after I woke up. The block minimizes general anesthesia: ask about how they titrate it to give you the smallest dose possible. And today the anesthesias they use are pretty darn safe. If I did anesthesia, that should make you feel pretty comfortable: you wouldn't believe how many foods and meds I have trouble with! Good luck
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Thanks for sharing your experiences ladies. I'll try to answer everything in one post.
I thought I might consider the surgeon I had been working with until I read some of these replies and other threads. He said nothing about tests that had to be run first, like breast or body MRIs, or genetic tests. He said it would be surgery and then I'd be sent off to an oncologist for anything else. It didn't feel like a team effort. There was one other thing that made me uncomfortable. When I asked him to explain something on the pathology report, he clearly gave me an incorrect answer. I didn't know it at the time, but when I went home I looked it up and something he told me was a "relatively benign" indicator has actually been studied and found to be the opposite. Maybe it's not wide knowledge in general surgery, but it was a study from 2002 that a breast cancer specialist would have known. I asked him how many breasts he does and the answer was around 50 per year, including all breast surgeries not just cancer surgeries. That's only 4 per month. Some surgeons probably do 4 or 5 times that or more, and they understand the intricacies of bc, and the aftermath, and not just how to cut things out (like all my lymph nodes -ShetlandPony that blew my mind!).
I think I'm right to trust his first instinct which was to kindly tell me he thought I would be better off with a breast cancer specialist. He wouldn't want to say so but If he felt fully qualified to do the best job possible for me, I don't think he would have advised that. Makes me respect him even more for being honest, but that doesn't mean I want him to cut off my breasts. If I ever need a liver transplant though, he's my man (what he's known for).
My PCP told me today that one of the surgeons recommended by the breast center in lieu of the one on vacation does have extra breast training, so I guess I'll at least meet with him and see what he says, before I subject myself to what seems like the last resort - the woman who always has one foot out the door when you're trying to ask a question.
Two reasons to do the lumpectomy first. 1) The mastectomy will ultimately be done by the doctor I actually want to do it; and 2) Shorter recovery time - my sister is coming to visit in three weeks and I would like to be able to enjoy it, since I might not be enjoying much for awhile if I need to have chemo and radiation. Still haven't made up my mind but thinking of the pros and cons.
About general anesthesia, my fear isn't about a reaction, it's because I am mortified by the idea of people doing things to my body while I'm unconscious (did anyone hear that recording that was going around the internet a few months ago). And of course the probably irrational fear of not waking up. I had a panic attack in the bathroom the last time I had a surgical biopsy and almost ran out of there with my butt flapping in the wind. So that's definitely a pro for the mastectomy, only having to do it once. Too soon to say what I'll do about reconstruction, but right now I'm leaning against it. I don't want anything in the way of finding a new cancer.
Had a nice visit with the CAM doctor today. I start my acupuncture and energy work in week and a half, and she's going to help me detox my liver so it will hold up better to chemo. She is an MD, acupuncturist and Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioner all in one.
Probably gonna take tomorrow to rest, then I'll spend some time over the weekend coming up with a list of questions to ask the new surgeon. Thanks to all for getting me started. -
Am I right that this ordeal is hard enough without running into roadblocks everywhere I turn? The psychologist I was referred to is also on vacation for the month of August, and her alternate is not covered by my insurance. Back to square freaking one.
Leave it to me to get cancer in August! Thank goodness someone here suggested anti-anxiety meds because otherwise I would be losing it right now.
One positive (I hope LOL). I think I did come up with a good compromise regarding the surgeon. Since I want to make sure he does everything that the vacationing breast expert would do, I made an appointment with her nurse practitioner on Tuesday, so I will know which tests and procedures her boss would normally order, and I can ask for them if they are not offered to me. -
Hi Solfeo,
I just wanted to chime in and offer my support. You sound like you are being very methodical, asking the right questions, and just really taking care of business. I know it's a lot to process, and it sounds like you know quite a bit from past experiences.
I had a double MX the end of June, and other than that, the test that offered me the best peace of mind was the Oncotype DX. I hope that it is offered to you at some point. It takes 2 weeks for the results, which is maddening. I swear, the hardest part for me was not having all the information. Once that happens, at least you have a direction and a plan.
Take care - I'm sorry you're going through this.
Kathleen
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Thanks Kathleen,
Of course no one is calling me back and it's almost 4pm on Friday where I am, so I'm sure they intend to keep me hanging over the weekend. -
Oh, Solfeo, how well I remember the intense and exhausting process of figuring everything out and trying to get care lined up. Internet, phone calls, running around, waiting. I would think, "Does anybody realize we're talking about cancer here?!" There's only so much you can do and then you need a break, especially a mental one. Since you can't do much more over the weekend, might as well take advantage of the time off, right?
I, too, was frustrated recently trying to get to a psychologist that took my insurance. What about a support group leader? In my experience they are psychologists, social workers, or interns and can be very helpful. Also, you can ask your insurance company to help you find someone with a background in oncology. But not until Monday. Ugh.
As far as being unconscious during surgery, I can relate. Years ago I had a dentist friend observe my wisdom teeth surgery to help me feel more secure. But for my breast surgery, I found that by the time my surgery date arrived, I had gotten to know the surgeon and the NP, and I met the anesthesiologist and assisting doctor while waiting for my turn. There was a whole team, some of them women, and I knew they were trying to help me, and they knew what they were doing. You will find your courage and you will do what you need to do.
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Thanks ShetlandPony,
You are so right that I need a break, but I'm having a hard time stopping myself. It's like I feel that I can't leave any question in my mind unresolved, so I keep trying to answer everything for myself since I can't get answers from the people who know. I have exhausted myself so much that I did finally pass out and get a full night sleep last night, and my appetite has been coming back the last couple of days. I've lost 9 lbs. since last Friday.
I would love to lay in bed all weekend but unfortunately my resting mind is not a quiet place. I'm self-employed and I do have work piling up so that will give me something to distract myself if I can just redirect my focus in that direction.
Honestly, without this place I don't know what I would have done. -
Nothing I do is working out. Where we left off: The surgeon I wanted was on vacation so I had to choose another. I thought I came up with a good compromise by making an appointment with the preferred surgeon's nurse practitioner, just to get an idea of how they would usually handle things so I would know if I wasn't getting the best care elsewhere. I didn't ask for the appt. with the NP, I told them what my concerns were and they offered. That was last Thursday, which had me feeling pretty good about it until they called me this morning saying there had been a misunderstanding and they had to cancel the appointment. They don't do that, she said. She also said that after the surgeon returns from vacay she's already booked up for a couple more weeks weeks, but they refused to make me an appointment in advance to reserve the time, because after I'm established with the other surgeon she would be a second opinion and they won't even set up the consult until she is back in the office.
Still haven't received a call back from my PCP's office regarding the referral. She had written in her notes that I was having a lot of anxiety and she wanted me referred as soon as possible, but I can't get through to her directly and her staff isn't calling back. It's a freaking bureaucracy where you can't just speak to a receptionist to relay an urgent message , you have to leave a message on your "team's" voice mail and wait for a phone call "usually" before the end of the next business day. I left a message Friday morning.Everyone I talk to is doing everything possible to make this as difficult as possible and to prevent me from receiving the best care possible. I feel like they are trying to kill me, just like the radiologists who missed this cancer for 5 years when I had been complaining about the itching that long and they kept dismissing my concerns. In hindsight I believe an MRI should have been ordered when there was an issue we couldn't find the cause of because my breasts are so complicated. Unfortunately I didn't know to ask because they kept telling me everything was fine.
I'm feeling pretty cursed right now.
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I was going to say Unbelievable, but it sounds all too familiar. Nurse Navigator at your medical center? Case Manager at your insurance company? Get out of Dodge, i.e. go to another city with more resources and faster service? Or stage a sit-in: Forget phone calls and go to the office in person and smilingly tell them you must speak with someone and are going to wait there until someone will see you. Then sit down right by the desk. (I did this once to get results of a liver ultrasound.)
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I wonder if you should start a new topic asking for help with this. Make it very specific so people who had to deal with a similar situation will see it.
I don't know what to say except I am rooting for you.
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if this is the run around you are getting before you even have any answers to important questions, what kind of care will or will you NOT get if you stay with them. I agreed get out of Dodge. Find a facility that is happy to take care of you.... I don't care how good a doctor is, because what your going thru is not good care. Call the insurance company and get a referral. Good luck. Rut
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Thanks SP and RE. I live on an island and there are only two surgeons who are BC specialists. We don't have a lot of choices for quality medical care. I can go to the mainland for a second opinion or to devise a treatment plan once I'm staged,but not possible to stay any length of time to recover from surgery or receive treatment because I run our family business and I'm the only one who can do it.
I agree that I need to get out of the bureaucracy. Now that some better things have happened today I guess I'm going to look at it as a blessing that I was forced to look in a different direction.
I decided to go with the surgeon I don't care for personally because she is one of the best. She is an independent doc and doesn't have any kind of support system, which is not what I wanted, but to get the top notch multi-disciplinary team under one roof that I thought I wanted was only going to mean misery and red tape all the way through. So I'll just be my own navigator - I'm enough of a control freak to pull it off. Seeing the surgeon Thurs. That is not the good part, but it's an issue resolved. Finally something (my freaking pathology results from the biopsy still aren't final a week later! How long does a darn FISH test take?)
What was good was that I found a Naturopath today (only four of those covered by my ins, to further illustrate how limited our choices are). I called him up and when I told him what I've been going through he got me in this afternoon! I can already tell this man is going to be my saving grace (mentally if nothing else!). What are the odds that I choose a random guy out of 4 and he just happens to be the top cancer ND on the island. He sees at least 3 cancer patients per day. He has many patients who were given the mainstream medicine death sentence who are still alive and kicking, or at the very least who had their lives extended over originally dire predictions. Everyone in the waiting room was so friendly and expressed their deep admiration and respect. He was the first one who made me feel that no matter how bad the diagnosis, I still have a chance (I'm pretty worried about this back pain I've had directly behind the tumor, and in my liver area).He also recommended an oncologist who he has worked with for years who is amenable to the natural stuff we will be doing along side the conventional treatment. He does many of the alternative tests and treatments I thought I was gonna have to go to the mainland to get (only considered alternative in the US - they've been using them in Germany awhile). And he doesn't do any of the crazy "just have faith and pay me" stuff with no science to back it up, which is important to me. I believe in nature and I believe in science, and I don't think either one has all the answers.
So ladies, after all I've been through, now I at least have a plan, and the beginnings of setting up a team of my own that I actually feel good about. Guess I'll put this thread to rest and continue my journey in a new one, now that I'll actually be moving forward.
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So glad things are going better for you, Solfeo! I think you will do great with your new plan.
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