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  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited August 2015

    TonLee, so nice to see you here, with your crazy laughter!

    I was asked to see a neurologist when I complained of pain in my feet. I found it interesting that he asked me how my hearing was. When I asked him why, he said where there's a nerve, you can get neuropathy! I never thought about it like that before. Hmmmn.

    Hey, SulaDog!

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited August 2015

    Nice to see you too Tomboy.

  • Cowgirl13
    Cowgirl13 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited August 2015

    My herceptin infusions were an hour but I think I should have had 90 minutes. Herceptin alone did affect me, particularly where my energy was concerned. Ladies, don't ASK for a 90 minute infusion, TELL them you will have a 90 minute infusion. If they don't go for it, I would get a different oncologist. Its such a simple, small thing to change but the effects can be big.

    TonLee, great to see you here.

    Liz

  • knmtwins
    knmtwins Member Posts: 598
    edited August 2015

    Tomboy - I still have constant ringing in my ears and feel like I do not her as well. Never thought that it was the nerves.

    MM and Husband and all 1st round TCHP. #1 - I had a complete response and NO cancer was left in my breast when I had my double mastectomy. Check to see if you got more chemo on the first round. Can't remember which, but I got 1.5 times the amount of some if not all on the first round and it WAS the hardest on me. The rest were not a piece of cake, but after the first round, I would have stopped chemo if I didn't have 3 children in elementary school. Also, tell the MO about everything and get stuff. I had protonix and carafate when needed for acid. Lomotil for diarrhea, none of the anti nausea's truly worked, but I had a bunch. Do not let yourself get constipated, drink hot prune juice, drink Magnesium Citrate (YUCK), but get 'going' as soon after as you can. I found that being so clogged made it worse than childbirth when the diarrhea hit, and the rounds that I had the constipation under control, were the easiest. Also, people will tell you it gets harder each time, I didn't really see that until the 4th or 5th, and it wasn't the first 10 days of symptoms, it was general fatigue. The last one was hard too, but not as hard as the first. If you have made it past that, your life will be easier.

  • Suladog
    Suladog Member Posts: 952
    edited August 2015

    tomboy,

    Here you are!! I was looking for you over in Crazy Town!!

    Momma,

    I only iced my head not hands or feet , I didn't get neuropathy , I was also taking 3 tsp of L Glutamine twice a day, starting before I started chemo, all 12 weeks of chemo and then for a month or so after I finished.

    Tonlee,

    The cold caps were a totally new thing for me. My MO at UCSF suggested them and I was very skeptical about how well they'd work if they were safe etc...25 yrs ago when I had chemo the last time there were no cold caps and like you I absolutely LOVED my super short hair after. I liked it do much I keep it short until last year when Indecided to grow it out again. The only other time I did that was right before I was diagnosed the first time back in 1990.... Wouldn't ya know it as soon as my hair was long...cancer again so this time I decided I was going to keep what I'd been growing!

  • Gretagirl
    Gretagirl Member Posts: 182
    edited August 2015

    Good morning. Wondering if anyone has had issues with minor nose bleeds? Twice yesterday I was just sitting and a trickle of blood came out of my nose. Nothing else I wiped it away and it was over.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited August 2015

    greta - nosebleeds are common and happen for a couple of reasons - chemo causes soft tissue irritation and causes your platelet count(clotting factor in your blood) to drop - those two combined equal nosebleeds. Be careful if or when you blow your nose, or if you can't get the bleeding to stop. Keep the inside of your nose moisturized - I used Aquaphor on a q-tip, put it up your nostril and then pinch your nose to spread the Aquaphor around.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited August 2015

    I have tinnitus too. It all started in December with one of the drugs I'm taking. I feel it was probably caused by Taxotere but wasn't that noticeable. This new drug made it worse. My left ear is worse and I feel I might have some hearing loss because of it. I also find that certain foods (like cheese) can make it worse


  • Gretagirl
    Gretagirl Member Posts: 182
    edited August 2015

    thanks SpecialK. Will give it a try. My sinuses have been very dry. Will pay attention to my lab results!

    Lago the chemo my daughter was on caused her some temporary hearing loss but not tinnitus. I don't know the name of hers. Didn't cause hair loss though. She had adenocarcinoma vaginal wall.

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited August 2015

    Suladog, it sounds like it is dangerous for you to have long hair!

  • Suladog
    Suladog Member Posts: 952
    edited August 2015

    Tomboy,

    oh yeah, no kidding. I was really tempted to cut it off.. I'm such a superstitious Italian


  • RobinLK
    RobinLK Member Posts: 840
    edited August 2015

    Kerryd423 - I only had 9/12 Taxol. My dx is in my signature. Neuropathy was the reason. I had to do stairs on my butt to be safe. I did treatment 1-6 skipped 7&8, did 9, skipped 10, did 11&12. My MO felt 9 was good enough.

  • RobinLK
    RobinLK Member Posts: 840
    edited August 2015

    Tamoxifen and I are on a 2 week break.

    WARNING LONG RANT...

    I just got home from an appt with my MO. I have been taking Tamoxifen since May of 2014. I have gained 45 lbs since being on it. My bones and joints are killing me, I have non-alcoholic fatty liver, borderline diabetes. I take pain meds night and day. I also am having short term memory loss, no ability to focus/concentrate and recently began having panic attacks, and tinnitus.My RO says all is from the monster pill. As of today, I am on a 2 week vacation to see if symptoms improve. I have been trying to go off Effexor, ended up in the ER with vertigo like symptoms, I have been able to decrease the dose by half. If I miss a dose, however, within a couple hours the vertigo symptoms appear. Edited to add insomnia and other sleep issues are also occurring with tamoxifen.

    Edited again to add I was Stage 3, grade 3, Triple positive. So will need to figure something out because MO is not comfortable with my wanting to stop. He mostly refers to the 9 lymph nodes that were involved and the fact that they were extranodal. Not to mention the lymph vascular invasion. SUCKS.

    Edited to add: foggy brain is causing all these stinking edits. Depending on the vacay results, I may be removing my ovaries. I told my MO that I really feel like my body is fighting to stay out of menopause. I cycled all through my chemo. He said that is very possible. with removal of ovaries an AI would be next. All the new studies suggest that is better for lobular anyway

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited August 2015

    Robin, we are in the exact same boat, and it does suck. I think we are a couple of the people that our bodies REALLY don't like what lago has called the ESRs', (estrogen-sucking-drugs), and really, I am with you, I have hated them for a long time now. It has only been in the last 6 months that I feel somewhat better. Like, I had been given a fitbit for Christmas last year. I was shocked to find out that I could only do about 2000 steps, and that was it- my energy was done. But I liked to see if I could do more than the previous day, and am happy to tell you that I get my 10,000 steps in early in the day now, altho I don't check anymore to see by how much. I'm too busy! I just think there are some of us, that tamox and A.I.'s hit harder. It does get better, but I still hate them... and you can see, I can't stop either. Many women that are stage 4 had less nodes involved than me. my bs had said to me that my cancel "had legs". sux.

  • ArleneA
    ArleneA Member Posts: 1,309
    edited August 2015

    Wow! I haven't been on here for months. I see the Herceptin discussion is up again. I'm with TonLee, I think the shorter infusion times caused my heart problems and thus unable to continue all treatments - I made it through 10. Slower has to be better.

  • amylsp
    amylsp Member Posts: 188
    edited August 2015

    Except for the loading dose, my Herceptin has always been 30 minutes with no ill effects that I notice. Just had another infusion today. Only 4 more to go! Thankfully, my Muga scans have always been good - in the 60s. I agree with others though, if you're experiencing SE's that you think are due to the quicker infusion, definitely tell them to slow things down. It seems like the patient should be the one in charge of that decision.

  • Creativevintage
    Creativevintage Member Posts: 76
    edited August 2015

    Just finished number 4 of TCHP. Gout good news from follow up echo. Heart is good no

    Changes and ejection fraction still at 71. They were talking about raising my dose (I was down to 80% of full dose but my blood counts are trending down. Not bad but myhemoglobin and hematocrit are just below normal as are potassium, calcium, phosphorus and total protein. To be cautious they lowered the carboplatin again as those are a sign of kidney changes. Iamhoping this will make for less se's. I did have a scary experience. They increased my iv benedryl due to a skin rash that has shown up. The extra benedryl caused me to have several petite mal seizures. The nurse said next time they will use oral benedryl at a normal dose.

  • Tresjoli2
    Tresjoli2 Member Posts: 868
    edited August 2015

    My ejection fraction was 59% before I started anything. They told me anything over 55% was normal. I have to schedule my first echo since starting Chemo for August. My Herceptin with the Taxol has been 30 minutes. Are you ladies talking about always having Herceptin be 90 minutes - or just the doses that are every three weeks? my nurse told me that sometimes they give the Herceptin only doses weekly, bi-weekly, or every three weeks. Anyone know why you might chose a regimen that is anything other than every three weeks?

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited August 2015

    RobinLK You can always ask if you can have your ovaries suppressed with meds and try one of the ESD's (Tamoxifen is an EBD…estrogen blocking drug). Granted you might suffer from hot flashes. I switched from Anastrozole to Exemestane. I find on the Exemestane I didn't have the same weight issues. Granted I've but on some but that because of another med I'm taking. But my weight isn't a problem even with the extra pounds.

  • KateB79
    KateB79 Member Posts: 747
    edited August 2015

    Quick question: has anyone here had a UMX and then started considering another UMX on the healthy side? I know the risk of developing a second cancer is low (this depends on the genetic test that I'm petitioning my insurance company to approve), but I have 1) a thing with symmetry, and 2) a thing with cancer anxiety. Any thoughts?

    My medical team is opposed to this idea, so I thought I'd throw it out there to the HER2 experts. :)

    BTW: update . . . I'm doing adjuvant TCHP, beginning 8/13. Thanks to all who recommended that I ask about Perjeta; my MO is on board 100%.

    -kate

  • Suladog
    Suladog Member Posts: 952
    edited August 2015

    Kate,

    I desperately wanted that back in 1990, just for safety's sake as I was TN back then. But back in 90 that just was not done, no how no way plus I was in my 30's and they thought I was crazy wanting that. The idea of a preventative anything forget about it. I felt I was walking around with a time bomb on my chest for 25 years. The second time last year I was TP so go figure, stuff changed. I didn't test positive for any of the mutations either for BC or OC yet I've still had breast cancer twice. If this were my first time I'd be demanding they do the other one

  • debiann
    debiann Member Posts: 1,200
    edited August 2015

    Kate, I was undecided for awhile and sought the advice of my medical team. Here's the responses I got:

    MO (male): "Why would you remove a healthy breast? What does your husband think of this?" lol, still makes me laugh. 

    PS (male): kind of neutral, just said the obvious that a uni would reduce the surgery time and the risks. (I was having immediate diep recon).

    BS (female): held up 2 fingers and whispered "Do both". I asked why, did she think I had a good chance of getting cancer in the healthy breast. She replied, "No, but you're going to like the way they look much better, the symmetry. "

    I took the woman's advice and did both and I'm very happy that I did, however, my story almost didn't have a happy ending.  Surgery was an extra 4 hours (13 hours total) because PS had trouble getting blood flow to the flap that replaced my healthy breast. For the first week it was unclear if that flap was going to survive. So there is a risk that you could remove the healthy breast then have an unsuccesful recon and end up with no breast or face more surgery.

    The decisions are the hardest part.Good luck to you!

  • Stephmoen
    Stephmoen Member Posts: 563
    edited August 2015

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC279923...

    Has anyone ever seen this article does is mean we have better chances than her2 neg

  • KateB79
    KateB79 Member Posts: 747
    edited August 2015

    Stephmoen, both my BS and my MO gave me the thumbs-up and said, in essence, that HER2 used to be a death sentence, but now it's one of the best kinds of BC to have. I take that with me. :)

    -kate

  • Stephmoen
    Stephmoen Member Posts: 563
    edited August 2015

    ohh its metastatic but still it's a plus for trip positive I guess

  • KateB79
    KateB79 Member Posts: 747
    edited August 2015

    Yes, it's still a plus, because of Herceptin and Perjeta, which are both prolonging life and increasing quality of life in many, many metastatic BC ladies. I have a friend who has been on Herceptin for about five years--she doesn't much care for the infusions (which never end with metastatic disease), but she feels pretty good most days, and that's something.

    -kate

  • BlownOffCourse
    BlownOffCourse Member Posts: 37
    edited August 2015

    I'm a UMX and I really wish I had pushed to have the other breast removed. I tentatively brought it up a couple of times but was told that it wasn't necessary, so no. I wasn't completely sold on the idea then, so I didn't pursue it. Now I wish I had. I guess hindsight is always 20/20 lol.

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited August 2015

    Kate,

    I had a uni, still have my left breast with recon on right side.

    Pros:

    Sensation! Still an erogenous zone. I still have a real breast.

    Cons:

    Any weight fluctuation means the real breast shrinks or plumps with weight, while reconstruction stays the same. (I've never had more than about 1/2 cup difference, so not a big deal, but it could be if I gained a bunch of weight.)

    The recon side looks perky and eventually the left side will droop. Sometimes I think my natural side looks at the new perk girl rolls it's eyes and sighs, "I'm tiiiiiiiired." hahahaha. A sports bra keeps the field level ;)

    I tend to believe breast cancer cells prefer the breast. Yeah it's not exactly scientific! Just a gut thing about my cancer. I'd like to give it a place to grow where I can actually feel and find it. (Irrational? Probably.) Who says we have to be rational all the time?

    Rational is often overrated.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited August 2015

    KateB79 I always wanted a bilateral but my BS initially said there wasn't a need to remove healthy tissue but would support what ever I wanted to do. Then there were 3 suspicious areas that showed up on the MRI. Said they would need to be biopsied every year. One he was concerned about. Didn't even biopsy. Just did both. 2 were cysts and the other was LCIS. I made the right decision for me. LCIS increases your risk of breast cancer in both breasts. I had dense breast tissue too. Dense tissue is a great environment for breast cancer to grow so once it starts



  • Stephmoen
    Stephmoen Member Posts: 563
    edited August 2015

    that's grest to know Kate although I don't like to think about it I know the reality is I could become metastatic doing all I can to prevent that..good to know it's not an immediate death sentence hoping to have many many years with my 1 and 5 year old

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