Help! ER/PR question

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plumster1
plumster1 Member Posts: 270

Hi all -

a question, what is more important in ER/PR status - percent or intensity?

I just got my final path ER+ 90% moderate to weak intensity

PR+ 100% strong intensity

I also guess it is more unusual to have higher pr over er, anyone know anything about that?


Thank you!

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  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited August 2015

    The percentage of ER and PR positivity tells you what number out of 100 cells on the slide are positive for receptors. So, for your ER there were 90 out of 100 cells with estrogen receptors, for your PR all the cells had receptors. This is one slide, for the determination of positivity. Other slides could have more of less cells with receptors.The intensity of staining is the response of the sample to the actual testing type used and is less indicative of meaning, and has more to do with how easily read the sample is for positivity.

  • plumster1
    plumster1 Member Posts: 270
    edited August 2015
    Thank you special K, that helps clear things up for me. So, then it seems the percent would be the more important number then in relation to treatment.
  • Nancy2581
    Nancy2581 Member Posts: 1,234
    edited August 2015

    thanks Special K I was interested in this post and went and looked at my pathology report. The intensity I never paid attention to until now. My intensity for both ER and PR was a 3 on a scale from 0-3. Interesting - I would have guessed that for ER since I am 100%, but not for PR since mine is 58%.

    Nancy


  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited August 2015

    I just want to reiterate that the staining intensity is a measure of how well the testingmodality worked, not necessarily connected to the percentage of cells with receptors.

  • plumster1
    plumster1 Member Posts: 270
    edited August 2015
  • Nancy2581
    Nancy2581 Member Posts: 1,234
    edited August 2015
  • Sweetmamaj
    Sweetmamaj Member Posts: 190
    edited August 2015

    My biomarkers also came back as 3+ for pr-positive (99%)--and the exact same % for my er.

    The confusing issue to me is, why do they even test for progesterone when it seems that the major endocrine therapies either target the estrogen receptor or the serum protein/hormone itself? I cannot find published data that details how the subset population of strong pr-positive tumors responded to Tamoxifen or one of the AIs. In other words, all of the information that I've found about why and how Tamoxifen or an AI can be effective in treating BC, addresses the estrogen factor (and not the progesterone). They are 2 completely separate steroids!

    I'm worried about taking a drug for 5-10 years because of potential SE, and hoped to find info that indicated one might be more effective in tx'ing women with strong pr-postive receptors.

    Anyhow, it's frustrating when I'm told, "er+/pr+ (and her2-neg) is the best kind of BC to have!" Maybe so regarding current FDA-approved treatment, but I'm looking for a straightforward answer to digest and then move on to better, more important things in life. Sadly, I've been obsessing about this mysterious progesterone factor and I guess I just needed to vent. Arggg ! I blame it on the cancer! Thanks for listening!

  • 123JustMe
    123JustMe Member Posts: 385
    edited August 2015
    I would like to see an answer to that too!
  • Nancy2581
    Nancy2581 Member Posts: 1,234
    edited August 2015

    Me too - I remember when my radiologist looked at my ER+/PR+ percentages. He said ER+ at 100% was very good. Then he said we don't care about the PR. Huh? I thought I read somewhere though that ER+/PR- is more aggressive. Don't know where I read that or if I dreamt it lol.

    Nancy

  • Sweetmamaj
    Sweetmamaj Member Posts: 190
    edited August 2015

    Nancy, I heard that as well. And it fits with the whole "best tumor type", but...why?

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited August 2015

    Some new info on hormone receptors everyone might find interesting.

    http://after20yrs.com/2015/08/06/hormone-receptor-...

    As a Er+100% and Pr 0% grade 3 idc club member, this helped to answer lots of questions

  • Jesika63
    Jesika63 Member Posts: 78
    edited August 2015

    hi everyone. This is truly an interesting topic especially to us newbies who don't really understand the process. I just want to give a very special thanks to the sisters that have been here longer and are always searching and willing to help. I don't post often but i do read most of the boards. So a big ty to our older bc sisters. hugs and thanks for your hard research. I hope to be able to do the same someday.

  • Sweetmamaj
    Sweetmamaj Member Posts: 190
    edited August 2015

    Jojo2373, thanks for sharing the link--the article looked very interesting. I briefly scanned through it last night, but hope to read it carefully tonight. Glad to see more articles addressing the role of progesterone.

  • 123JustMe
    123JustMe Member Posts: 385
    edited August 2015
    Great article JoJo! My little brain wonders if not 100% ER positive and 100% PR positive like me....95% ER and 95 % PR. What is the other 5%??? Makes me go hmmmmm.....

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