Androgen Receptor Testing & Treatment

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  • LindaE54
    LindaE54 Member Posts: 2,054
    edited August 2015

    Romansma - YAY! Can't wait to read more about it.

  • Romansma
    Romansma Member Posts: 1,515
    edited August 2015

    Thank you Linda and Woody.

    Woody, I am still pursing a new biopsy hoping to get an updated read on the biology. I have it scheduled for the 13th. Really hoping we get something good as I still wonder if the biology has changed and that's why I can't seem to find an effective treatment. We shall see

  • Bestbird
    Bestbird Member Posts: 2,818
    edited August 2015

    Great news, and I hope you can already sense those pesky mets fleeing...

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited August 2015

    Hope, you are a trailblazer. I hope your biopsy is easy. I can't wait to hear the results.

  • pearlady
    pearlady Member Posts: 882
    edited August 2015

    Hope so happy you were able to get the Xtandi.  Can't wait to read your updates about how it is zapping the mets.

  • usafmom
    usafmom Member Posts: 778
    edited August 2015

    I was just asked yesterday by my Onc to consider a trial with Astella for a new ANdrogen Receptor drug that will be paired with herceptin. They are only taking 40 women in the U.S. For this trial. I agreed yesterday to the testing of my tissue to see if I even have the receptor. I'm very nervous about this trial since it is only paired with herceptin. I'm so curious to see how you ladies are doing on the new drug. I had scans on Thursday and had some major progression on several of my larger masses. I've been on so many chemos the last five yrs we are starting to have few options hence why she suggested this trial. I wasn't given a name for the drug so I'm wondering if it is the same drug. I'll be watching your updates to see your thoughts on the drug. My best wishes to you..I really hope this is your wonder drug. Years ago TDM1 was mine it got me out of a bad pickle and the closest I've ever been to. NED. It changed things for me greatly for 15 months. My prayers that this drug does the same for you.

    Just went and looked at the trial page on clinical.gov and it is xtandi..Thank you for being a trailblazer for so many of us. I'm very anxious now to get my testing back they said roughly three weeks.

    Hugs

    Kimber

  • Romansma
    Romansma Member Posts: 1,515
    edited August 2015

    I was really hoping not to be the only one taking Xtandi, so please check back in and let me know if you decide to go on the trial. It would be great to have a few of us so we could compare notes.

    So far, no side effects to report. I'm overly tired today, but that may be something else.


  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited August 2015

    This is a fascinating thread, Hope. I'm impressed with the research you've done on androgen receptors and your decision to give Xtandi a try. I hope & pray you are really onto something here.

    I do have one question... How important do you think it is it in most cases for us to know if our mets are IDC or ILC? My original dx was multicentric -- a mix of IDC, ILC and Tubular lesions. Since my re-dx, I've wondered if it matters whether my bone mets, which were never biopsied, are IDC or ILC or some of both again, and your situation makes me all the more curious. I'll also ask my UCLA onc about this, but I'm wondering -- excluding tx resistance situations -- does knowing if you're dealing with IDC or ILC mbc make a difference in the txs recommended for us?

  • Romansma
    Romansma Member Posts: 1,515
    edited August 2015

    That's a great question, Deanna. At this point in time, treatment between ILC and IDC doesn't vary much. In the case that you are responding to treatment, I don't think it matters that you have that definitive information. However, treatment resistance makes us start thinking outside the box and try to figure out why something that should work, does not. There was some great information posted recently in the Research forum regarding ILC that I found really interesting. I took this info to my MO today so we can start looking into it. You can find it here.

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/73/topic/833887?page=1#idx_7

  • HLB
    HLB Member Posts: 1,760
    edited August 2015
    Hope, I am thrilled you were able to get this drug to try! Best wishes to you! Heidi
  • usafmom
    usafmom Member Posts: 778
    edited August 2015

    How are you doing, Hope? I've been praying for you ..I really hope this is your miracle drug. I just got the approval letter today from my insurance saying they approved all the testing and requesting info from my doctor so they can approve the xtandi if I have the receptor. They said 2-3 weeks now to hear back from the lab. I'll keep you posted.

    Hugs Kimber


  • Romansma
    Romansma Member Posts: 1,515
    edited August 2015

    Hey Kimber! That's great news! I'm doing good. Not much as far as side effects. I think I'm noticing fatigue. I was to fatigued on Ibrance, but I had a month break and I was starting to make it through the day without having to rest. I'm back to needing an afternoon nap. And, wow, when I fall asleep now, it's deep, deep, sleeping. Crazy, hard to wake up naps! Just had one after getting back from a biopsy on my neck. The doctor was skeptical on whether he could get a good biopsy when he first came in. Took him about 10 seconds looking at the ultrasound to say he could get a good one. He got 3 punches. I'm a little sore, but not bad. I wanted this biopsy to check pathology and maybe even get some genetic testing done. I need some more options!

    Keep us posted Kimber!

  • Romansma
    Romansma Member Posts: 1,515
    edited August 2015

    Feeling weak yesterday and today. Hard to explain, but it feels like a weakness in my legs and arms. Almost like a low blood sugar weakness. Wondering if this is the Xtandi or something else.


  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited August 2015

    Hope, it looks like fatigue and muscle weakness are both listed as possible SEs. http://chemocare.com/chemotherapy/drug-info/xtandi... I think if I were you I'd call your onc tomorrow, just to be sure what you're describing isn't concerning.


  • Romansma
    Romansma Member Posts: 1,515
    edited August 2015

    Thanks, I saw that too. I think I see her Wednesday, but I might shoot her an email. Hoping this doesn't continue.

  • usafmom
    usafmom Member Posts: 778
    edited August 2015

    Gosh Hope I hope this is just fatigue and nothing more serious. Have you been able to stay hydrated and keep food down. I know when I get dehydrated badly I get the shakes bad just like very low blood sugar or a panic attack. Happens at leastonce a week lately for me. I have a hard time getting liquids to stay down the day after chemo. Try maybe a Popsicle or anything you like to drink to help with hydration. Just a thought and you'll be in my thoughts and prayers. I hope your onc has some ideas. Please keep us posted.

    Hugs kimber

  • susan3
    susan3 Member Posts: 3,728
    edited August 2015

    don't know about the study, but I di know my chemo. Been on about 8, in 4 years. Gemzar was one of them. I have actually found most pretty doable. Kind if palliative chemo if in later stages. I don't regret it at all. I bike, walk, still work. Trying to stay healthy so the chemo doesn't kill me. So far so good. Good luck with you decision, they are hard to make. God bles

  • Romansma
    Romansma Member Posts: 1,515
    edited August 2015

    Interesting possibility on the dehydration. I drink water constantly, but it has been hot and I've been sweating constantly. I will get some electrolyte water today and see if that helps.

  • RonnieKay
    RonnieKay Member Posts: 2,067
    edited August 2015

    Romansma...just read this thread!  I'm so glad you were able to give this tx a try & I'm praying it works wonders for you & usafmom.  Hope, you are so smart & determined & I'm glad your onc is listening to you.  Prayers that you soon gain energy & strength while mets disappear!

  • Bestbird
    Bestbird Member Posts: 2,818
    edited August 2015

    Romansma, I hope you begin to feel a bit better, and wanted to recommend coconut water (pure, not from concentrate) with fresh lime. Very hydrating and delicious as well! Try to have a protein with it, such as nuts, for balance. Hoping you'll be ready to roll soon!

  • usafmom
    usafmom Member Posts: 778
    edited August 2015

    How are you feeling Hope? I'm anxious to get my results on the testing. I spoke with the trial time today and they said it will probably be a few more weeks since they just got insurance approval. Thinking of you

  • Romansma
    Romansma Member Posts: 1,515
    edited August 2015

    I'm still feeling a little off. Not as weak as I was over the weekend, but sill not my normal self. I think it's probably the Xtandi starting to kick in. I am more fatigued, and I seem to have some anxiety and cognitive issues. Not feeling much like eating. I find myself revising my plans and decisions a lot. Seems like I'm not thinking things through like I normally can. The anxiety is more excitable about things that bother me, a bit moody. I'm sure this all has something to do with my hormone levels. I had labs done yesterday again and see my MO again today. Will see if there is anything new. Thanks for checking in USafmom, hope you get your results soon!


  • usafmom
    usafmom Member Posts: 778
    edited August 2015

    Awwww Hope I'm sorry the drug is giving you some icky SE. The anxious feeling I really dislike with these drugs. I had a rough time with the hormonals I took just having myself all over the place emotionally from them. I'd personally rather be nauseated or the Big D instead of that irritable anxious feeling. I'll be praying Hun that your onc has some ideas on how to keep you more comfortable

  • Mzmerz
    Mzmerz Member Posts: 1,054
    edited August 2015

    Thanks for this post. I'm having surgery tomorrow and I plan to ask the Dr to order this test along with the regular ER/PR/HER2.

    I hope you are feeling better. I wonder if they can give you some anxiety meds to help?

  • Romansma
    Romansma Member Posts: 1,515
    edited August 2015

    I have Ativan, but hasn't been bad enough to start taking that. Just moody. Yesterday was a really off day. Really nauseated all day....even vomited a couple of times. Not sure what that was all about. Hoping today is better!

    All this might have nothing to do with Xtandi. Hard to know. I guess time will tell.


  • Hummingbird4
    Hummingbird4 Member Posts: 331
    edited August 2015

    Romansma, hope you are feeling better today. I'm thinking that possibly the "off" feeling is related to the Xtandi - as was described to me by the clinical trial nurse and another nurse when I was on Xtandi. Some women did experience that as a side effect. Did you see your MO today?

  • Romansma
    Romansma Member Posts: 1,515
    edited August 2015

    I didn't go in today because I'm feeling a little better than yesterday. Was nausea and vomiting one of the side effects?


  • usafmom
    usafmom Member Posts: 778
    edited August 2015

    Hope I'm so glad your feeling better😀 . Hopefully I'll be starting the trial next week. I got the calls today I tested positive. I'mhaving testing and meetings with the clinical trial time starting Monday. My onc called me around 4pm today thrilled that I was a good candidate for this trial. I don't know my percentage positive till Monday she was so busy explaining everything else I forgot to ask but will find out Monday. They cancelled my chemo too ..so I could be sure to meet the two week washout criteria. I'm a bit anxious but hopeful this will give us both good results. I'm starting to run out of chemos and she is hopeful this will be milder on my system. I have to do all new scans, Muga and bone too..next week will be hectic.

  • Romansma
    Romansma Member Posts: 1,515
    edited August 2015
  • Hummingbird4
    Hummingbird4 Member Posts: 331
    edited August 2015

    Kimber, I hope you have a long success on Xtandi. I am sure that you are relieved and happy to know this is another good treatment plan for you.

    Hope, as far as nausea and vomitting - at my monthly MO appointments, the Xtandi trial nurse would go down a long list of possible SE's with me and check off and make comments as I answered. I remember nausea, diarrhea, constipation, etc. - the usual possible se's being on the list. But in my case, it was just the fatigue that I experienced - and it got much worse as the months went on. By the eighth month it was a severe, crushing afternoon fatigue. But reading the literature, not everyone gets that same fatigue. I know it was the Xtandi, because I was feeling less of it during the trial I was in for 4 months after the Xtandi trial and now on Ibrance/Femara - I have no fatigue whatsoever and I actually feel great with tons of energy. We are all so different with these drugs!

    Wishing you both success and an easy a time as possible.

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