Starting Tamoxifen - Spring 2015

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  • Jackbirdie
    Jackbirdie Member Posts: 4,693
    edited July 2015

    Sue- how frustrating and scary. Sending you a hug. A big one.

  • suems
    suems Member Posts: 133
    edited July 2015

    Thank you Fizzdon and Jackbirdie.

    No, chemo was cancelled a few days before it was due to start, as I was told that as a metastatic patient, "the cancer is already in your blood so Chemo won't work". (I wonder what she thinks of chemo for Leukemia??), also "your cancer is incurable, so chemo won't save you".

    This was told to me by our local Oncology Dept Head, since our Oncologists only travel to Taranaki every few weeks from Palmerston North (250Km away). My hubby and I were in shock, but demanded to see an oncologist, so an appointment was made for the following week. MedOnc doctor Malcom Anderson confirmed that the focus was now on control, since there would be no cure, and tried to convince me that Tamoxifen is the drug of choice for metastatic patients. He said that there was no point in putting me through the side effects of chemo, since it wouldn't help.

    I would gladly lose my hair, and put up with the nausea etc if I thought it would help, but that choice was not mine to make.

    Now that I am no longer in active treatment, do I just sit here waiting for symptoms? How can I just forget about it and carry on as if nothing happened? Can you see why I need a psychiatrist?

  • fizzdon52
    fizzdon52 Member Posts: 568
    edited July 2015

    Suems seriously go over to the thread where the Kiwi's are, there are a couple of Stage 1V ladies over there both going through chemo currently. That just doesn't sound right and I would be kicking up one hell of a fuss until I got a second opinion if I were you.

  • MidLifeCrisis
    MidLifeCrisis Member Posts: 68
    edited July 2015

    I would have to agree, Sue, seek a second opinion. I can only imagine your frustration and concerns! I hope you can get better answers soon and get on a treatment plan that you are confident in.

    For those of you who have now been on Tamox for a few months now, how are you doing?? I've been on the full dose for 3+ weeks now and nearly 3 months ramping up to it and can thankfully say I still do not have any SE's to report. I had a few warm flashes in the beginning but it's been a few weeks now since the last one. I'm thrilled, but also can't help to wonder why I'm not getting the most common SE (is the drug metabolizing correctly... or at all?!). I certainly don't want to complain and of course who knows what awaits me after long term use, but ai can't help to wonder if it's working. Like many of you, I have never been on prescription meds beyond a week! This is all new territory.

    Anyone else not experiencing any SE's? I hope I'm not alone - it's made this very anxious time a little easier

  • fizzdon52
    fizzdon52 Member Posts: 568
    edited July 2015

    I've been on Tamoxifen for maybe 3 months now and feel pretty good, except for a sore elbow which I'm not sure but it feels like tennis elbow. However it's such a huge improvement to how I was on Letrozole/Femara. Very thankful :)

  • shelleym1
    shelleym1 Member Posts: 298
    edited July 2015

    Hi all, been on tamoxifen almost a month now. I was terrified to start. So far I have had some leg muscle cramps. I woke up the other morning with some leg pain but it went away the more I moved it. I get hot at night but sleep well for the most part. I felt super weepy today but not sure if maybe that's my cycle trying to start back up after quitting Lupron. I'm hanging in there and hoping it doesn't get worse.

  • Angiel
    Angiel Member Posts: 223
    edited July 2015

    Hello Ladies, I'm joining you all. Like some of you, I picked up my Tamoxifen but just haven't been able to take it yet out of fear. I just finished 5 months of chemo and am scheduled for BMX in the middle of August followed by radiation. At my MO appointment last week, my MO decided he'd rather have me start Tamoxifen now instead of waiting until after rads. I guess I wasn't prepared mentally to hear that, so I was slow getting my script filled and haven't started yet. I just read through this board, and I guess I won't know anything until I try - so I'm going to take the pill as soon as I submit this :) I have pretty frequent night sweats (several each night) - and even day sweats- already. I can't imagine the Tamoxifen making it any worse. If it does, I will be in trouble.

  • shelleym1
    shelleym1 Member Posts: 298
    edited July 2015

    angiel, my friends have said that they didn't notice any change in hot flashes from chemopause to tamoxifen. I'm sure you'll be fine!

  • eheinrich
    eheinrich Member Posts: 792
    edited July 2015

    Has anyone noticed a change in appetite? I've been on Tamox for ~6wks. This past week food tastes bad. I'm having a really hard time eating. I had no issues during chemo with changes in food taste.

  • molly1976
    molly1976 Member Posts: 403
    edited July 2015

    I wish I had that issue! I've only been taking it a week and a half but I haven't noticed anything at all.

  • Angiel
    Angiel Member Posts: 223
    edited July 2015

    I wish that was the case for me too!! I feel like I could eat anything at anytime!

    I am happy to report that my hot flashes have reduced a bit over the past 3 weeks of tamoxifen. I would say now that I average only 1 or 2 per day and they most usually are at night. For that I am happy.

    My major SE now has been joint pain. To the point where it hurts to walk (in my hips) much less run - I am normally an every day runner. At night, I experience horrible cramping in my feet and toes - almost like Charlie horse pains that I cannot control. I have been upping my water intake - about 96 - 100 oz per day & that helps a bit but it still is unsettling. I'm not sure how to handle it at this point.....look for pain meds or talk to my MO about the tamoxifen. My next appt isn't until august after my BMX.

  • magiclight
    magiclight Member Posts: 8,690
    edited July 2015

    Hi Angie1: I agree about I could eat everything and have been today. Tomorrow (or is it on Monday) I hope to have more self-control! Although I do not have joint pains so far on Tamox, I was on an antibiotic (a Cipro type but cannot recall exact name) that produced joint pains and was told to take Magnesium tablets. I think I took 400mg/day and that helped quite a bit. Talk to your MO about this as an option to prevent the pain rather than pain rx to treat it once it occurs. Hope you feel better soon so you can resume walking/running.


  • Angiel
    Angiel Member Posts: 223
    edited July 2015

    thank you magiclight for you magnesium recommendation! My husband has a medical condition which requires a nurse to our house every other week. I asked her about my symptoms & magnesium when she visited last & she also thought magnesium was worth a shot. I have been taking it for nearly a week and my foot cramps have been significantly reduced. Yay!

  • Tempy
    Tempy Member Posts: 101
    edited July 2015

    Hi all, another one to recently start taking Tamoxifen. I started a couple of weeks ago now and my main side effects seem to be mood swings and constipation. I found that, like others, my level of tolerance for bullshit is radically reduced. I fought a battle with deep clinical depression and panic disorder last fall/this spring and was hoping that I had put it behind me. Now that I'm on this med, I find myself looking down the proverbial barrel of the gun towards the same outcome and don't want to go through it again. I cannot be on any anti-depressants besides a baby dose of Seroquel (12.5mg) and only take that to help me sleep at night as that dose puts me out for 8 to 12 hours. Other medications have horrible side effects and my doctors, therapists, etc had their backs against the wall. I have an appointment with my MO tomorrow so I can discuss what's going on. I know the mood swings are mostly related to hormonal changes but that doesn't make it any easier for my family. Is there anyone that has started this medication, had similar situation and had the SEs decrease to the point of not driving everyone around them crazy?

  • Jackbirdie
    Jackbirdie Member Posts: 4,693
    edited July 2015

    Meds that interact unfavorably with Tamoxifen


    Hello all - I came across this list today that all of us should be aware of. It's a list if different kinds of meds that don't play nice with Tamoxifen.

    The link is above. I believe the source to be reputable

  • MJS1266
    MJS1266 Member Posts: 222
    edited August 2015

    Hi Ladies,

    I recognize some of you from other boards. I picked up my prescription for Tamoxifen today. I guess I'll start tomorrow. I finished radiation a few weeks ago and I am feeling the best I have since my diagnosis in September. I originally thought I would be on AI but a recent ultra sound showed that my uterine lining was at peri-menopausal thickness. I will only be taking it for two months as I am having hysterectomy in October due to family history of Ovarian and I have a variant gene in the Lynch Syndrome which if a mutation has a risk of ovarian 15 to 20% (given my mother's history maybe higher for me) and 20% uterine cancer. With the hysterectomy, 0% uterine and 0% cervical and 1% ovarian. I like those odds better. Hoping for minimal side-effects, after chemo it can't be so bad. Good Luck everyone, MJ

  • magiclight
    magiclight Member Posts: 8,690
    edited August 2015

    Angiel: Glad to hear the Magnesium helped with your foot cramps. I know what it is like to have sleep disturbed and then on top of that to hop out of bed to relieve cramping. Sleep well.

  • Angiel
    Angiel Member Posts: 223
    edited August 2015

    Thanks Magiclight! Doing better....now, if only those hot flashes would be more manageable.

    Another question.... My MO recommended surgery to have my ovaries removed in December once I finish rads but said he would still keep me on tamoxifen for 5 plus years. I guess I don't really understand as I thought having the surgery would end my need for tamoxifen. Why do I need tamoxifen if I am not producing estrogen ? I realize that I still will have a small amount of estrogen floating about my body, but does it really need tamoxifen - and it's side effects?

  • MJS1266
    MJS1266 Member Posts: 222
    edited August 2015

    Angiel, Your body still produces estrogen from the Adrenal glands and other sources. You could change to an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) after your ovaries are removed. I would discuss with your MO why he recommends continuing on Tamoxifen versus an AI. AIs of course have their own set of SEs. The use of Tamoxifin and AIs reduce your risk of recurrence by I think up to 50%. However, It's always your decision about your treatment. Good Luck, Mary-Jo

  • GoodConstitution
    GoodConstitution Member Posts: 43
    edited August 2015

    How are you doing? I am just starting radiation and have the great debate of which estrogen receptor inhibitor to take myself.

    It took me four surgeries to get a clear margins and now I'm wondering if I made the right choice because I can avoid These drugs if I have a double mastectomy.

    I to fear the side effects of the drugs and I'm looking for natural remedies to avoid estrogen in my diet.


  • GoodConstitution
    GoodConstitution Member Posts: 43
    edited August 2015

    I am just starting radiation this Friday and have a plan to start an estrogen receptor After that. I'm not as fearful of the radiation as the drugs. How did you do on radiation? I hope this 

  • MJS1266
    MJS1266 Member Posts: 222
    edited August 2015

    GoodConstitution,

    I had limited problems on radiation, some stiffness and skin damage. I am 5 weeks out now and the skin is healed. I am still tanned that will take a few more months to completely go away. A double mastectomy often negates the need for radiation but had not heard that it alters the decision for hormonal therapy. You might ask your MO to clarify for you, so that you feel right about the decisions you have made. All the best, MJ

  • KillTheCancer
    KillTheCancer Member Posts: 37
    edited August 2015

    I started Tamoxifen in May and haven't noticed any significant SEs, but I never realized that you shouldn't take Tamoxifen if you've had blood clots or are on blood thinners. I had a blood clot many (21) years ago, but while I was taking Tamoxifen I got another blood clot in my port vein (port was in my arm). I'm now taking Tamoxifen and Eliquis together every day.

    Another issue I'm having is a sore throat and a feeling of a lump in my throat (similar to when you start to cry), and chest pressure and shortness of breath (which I've had since the beginning of this cancer problem). The throat issue seems to be getting worse and I'm not sure if it's related to the Tamoxifen or not. I've mentioned it to my Oncologist and Radiation therapist, doesn't seem to be a big concern.

    -Christine

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited August 2015

    Anyone know if there are any predictors of tamoxifen success? I know hot flashes during tamoxifen treatment are associated with better outcomes, but I'm wondering if there's anything to give us a sense of potential effectiveness before starting.

  • 4pink101
    4pink101 Member Posts: 45
    edited August 2015

    picked up my tamoxifen last night but still haven't dared to take it. Never thought to ask my MO about weaning into it to help my body adjust to avoid SE.. Is that a possibility? I'm terrified to begin but know it needs to be done

  • MJS1266
    MJS1266 Member Posts: 222
    edited August 2015

    I picked up my Tamoxifen last Friday, started taking it on Saturday. Six doses only but so far so good, I haven't noticed any SEs yet but think it is still too early to tell. Good Luck, MJ

  • sugarplum
    sugarplum Member Posts: 318
    edited August 2015

    Hi all - I've been on Arimidex since Dec 2006 but need to switch to Tamoxifen due to decreasing bone density. I discovered a study done last year that proved Tamox is rendered ineffective unless you sleep in TOTAL darkness - no light coming under the door, LED displays - nothing. I found this link that gives suggestions to help Tamox work:

    http://noumagazine.org/is-tamoxifen-working-for-yo...

    Has anyone else heard of this? I asked my onc a few months ago & they acted like I was crazy. Still haven't made the switchover as I'm scared it won't be doing me any good....

    Julie

  • ORgal
    ORgal Member Posts: 56
    edited August 2015

    Hope it's OK to jump in here. I started Tamoxifen a month ago. So far so good. I've had a few warming episodes (not really hot flashes), but mostly at night while sleeping. Also, an odd possible SE, I seem to have more acid indigestion, so the doc said to take an over the counter pill daily to help with that. Otherwise doing well on it and hoping for the best!

    Good luck to those of you just starting.

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited August 2015

    An alternative to the entirely dark room is melatonin supplements.

  • Michelle1103
    Michelle1103 Member Posts: 6
    edited August 2015

    I started taking tamoxifen in Feb right after my bi-lateral mastectomy. I have had severe headaches for the past two months and right sided pelvic pain for 6 weeks. I went to the er yesterday and was told I have cycts on both ovaries. I see my oncologist Tuesday to discuss an alternative therapy and I'm interested to find out if she thinks the cysts arre related to the medication. I see my gynecologist on the 17th. Needless to say, I'm not excited about possibly having another surgery. I have had hot flashes too.

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