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  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2015

    greta - I didn't change my frozen peas out. I received my TCH in order, so the T was first, after pre-meds. I put a bag of peas on the front of each foot, and put a towel on my lap with the other two bags. I dug my nails in like a claw, occasionally using my right hand to get crushed ice to keep in my mouth from an insulated tumbler that I brought. I could do it myself and it worked, I had no ridges, lines or discolored areas. When I got home I just refroze my peas again. I also painted my nails with dark polish on chemo day, then next day removed the polish and painted on a coat of clear nail hardener. I painted on a coat a day for seven days, then removed it and started over - repeating until the next chemo day.

  • Blownaway
    Blownaway Member Posts: 760
    edited July 2015

    Gretagirl - This is my ring finger 8 months after last infusion. I woke up one morning with the ring fingers on each had throbbing. A few days later, the nails pulled away from the nail bead. My doctor would not let me use ice.

    image

  • Blownaway
    Blownaway Member Posts: 760
    edited July 2015

    Special K - I am taking Tamoxifen. I guess I'll have to pitch the Brisdelle and get some Icool and anything else you can suggest that would mix with my current cocktail. I guess my gyno is just not up to date on cancer drugs. Thank you!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2015

    blowaway - I have had many hot flashes a day since I had a total hyst/ooph in 2001, nine years prior to my BC diagnosis. I had them as frequently as hourly and they are severe enough that other people can tell I am having them - I turn red and my face gets damp. Chemo and aromatase inhibitor drugs have not made them better or worse - but I did have improvement by changing to a non-inflammatory diet. I follow this, and even though it is a hard way to eat I lost the weight I gained from chemo steroids and AI drugs, 22 pounds which had been stubbornly holding on despite walking 5 miles a day and eating 1200 calories of healthy food. I was able to lose with no exercise due to three surgeries over three months last year. My hot flashes are milder and fewer. I still have issues at night but have found that I do better in a really cold room, light blankets, and wicking pajamas.

    http://www.chewfo.com/diets/the-virgin-diet-by-jj-...

    http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=cool-jam...

  • Gretagirl
    Gretagirl Member Posts: 182
    edited July 2015

    Blownaway thanks for sharing. I will use the ice. If I ever get to that point. This bladder infection is still hanging I can feel the pressure again and I am still on the antibiotic! I made an appt with the urologist . Will see next week.

  • kdcjjc
    kdcjjc Member Posts: 11
    edited July 2015

    Hi Gooseberry -

    I was on the fence with a negative HER2 biopsy (1.8) before surgery. The path report then flipped to 2.05 after surgery but my doctor missed the finding so chemo was not on the table until I saw my MO - boy was that a surprise since I was told I only needed radiation to the left breast for 6 weeks. (My breast surgeon said she had only seen this once before 7 years ago.) After an Oncotype showed negative HER2 again, they re-tested with FISH at the USC lab that did the Herceptin clinical trials and HER2 was 2.10. The oncotype score was 25, again right on the fence for chemo. No lymph node involvement, clean margins, but it was IDC so probably in blood stream.

    Anyway, I just started TCH: 6 cycles of Taxotere and Carboplatin with a year of Herceptin.

    My doctors do not do PET Scans because they feel the risk of the test does not outweigh the efficacy of the findings. They feel the chemo will take care of whatever the PET Scan would find, so why put your body through it. Anyway, that was their response to my question.

    Good luck and keep posting. I also follow the July 2015 Chemo group so follow that one or the August group when it starts. There is lots of info and great insight as we go through this together

  • kdcjjc
    kdcjjc Member Posts: 11
    edited July 2015

    Hi runningcello -

    Congratulations on your last Herceptin infusion. I just had my first loading dose yesterday so it's nice to know there is light at the end of this tunnel!

    Stay strong (and a little crazy never hurts.)

  • KateB79
    KateB79 Member Posts: 747
    edited July 2015

    Hi Ladies,

    My name's Kate; I'm new here. I was diagnosed on 7/2 and had a mastectomy on 7/6. I'm healing really well from the surgery and trying to learn all I can before my first onc appointment on 7/29. Based on what I've read (here and elsewhere), I'm looking at TCH chemo. . . . Any advice for me, other than the cold packs for hands and feet?

    Has anyone heard of only doing a taxane and Herceptin? I ended up with two tumors in the breast (so, so glad we did the mastectomy), one measuring 2.4 cm and the other 1.3 cm. Grade 3. Now that I'm not freaking out the way I was a week ago, I'm ready to absorb any info you can give me.

    Here's some more info: ER+ (80%), PR+ (80%), HER2+. Beyond that, I think we're waiting for my insurance company to approve genetic testing. . . .

    I'm married, 36, no children (that was in the long-rage plan before this happened). I work full-time as a university professor.

    Thanks in advance for your help and guidance. :)

    kate

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2015

    kateb - so sorry you find yourself here, but welcome nonetheless! There is a taxane only regimen - 12 weekly Taxol plus Herceptin, but I don't know if they would recommend it for multi centric breast cancer, with one tumor greater than 2cm. If it is something you are interested in you should bring it up with your onc. As far as advice, I would honestly wait until you start to see what you need - some people have assorted GI issues, affected taste, neuropathy, etc. - but everyone doesn't experience the same side effects. It seems to be a process of figuring out which things you will experience and how to deal with them. I would not take any laxatives or softeners until you figure out if that will be a problem for you - I had the opposite so taking those prior to my first chemo would have been disastrous! I was consistent with that SE all through so investing in a big tub of laxatives would have been a waste of money. I went through a lot of Aquaphor - I used it for lots of things, chemo can cause dry and cracked skin. Lubricating eye drops are pretty universally used to combat the taxane induced dry eyes that produce excessive tears. I know that sounds counterintuitive, but the eye drops help. I would say stay ahead of nausea - better to prevent it than try to get rid of it. A lot of people use the salt/baking/soda/water rinse multiple times a day to stave off mouth sores. Ask your oncologist how to get in touch with them after hours so that if you need something you can contact them for help. I tried to do things ahead so that right after chemo I had fewer responsibilities - I grocery shopped and cooked ahead, did laundry, paid bills, etc., so that I could just relax and rest. If friends and family offer to help - let them, it is good for you and for them. I am sure others will offer advice shortly. If you have specific questions, don't hesitate to ask!

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited July 2015

    kateb,

    I work full-time as a university professor, too. I chose not to take FLMA during chemo or rads, but my chair made some accommodations for me. He assigned me two TAs who had lots of teaching experience, just in case I caught a bad infection and needed someone to help with the teaching/grading. He also allowed me to reduce my service commitments -- I quit being Chair of the Undergraduate Studies Committee, eg.

    I made it through the year OK, and even got decent student evals. I did work at home a lot, but made sure to be on campus at least three days a week.

    I agree with Special K that your MO will probably recommend something more than Taxol-Herceptin for you, given the multicentric, Grade 3 character of your tumors. You might want to check into getting Perjeta -- that's the latest targeted therapy for HER2+ cancer and studies have shown it to be very effective. My best advice re: chemo is to hydrate, hydrate, hydrate.

    Another thought: a friend created a Lots-a-Helping Hands group for me, and it was a big help. Every Wednesday, someone would bring a meal, and the members raised enough money to help buy my autistic twins a new swingset. Of course, I have three kids, so I did need as much help as I could get.

    Best wishes to you! Hope your treatment does the trick.

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited July 2015

    Kate,

    Welcome-but sorry you had to join. This is the best group of women you could ever find. Ever. Be sure to find your chemo group-probably August 2015 since you see your MO the end of July. That group will become as sisters as you go through the treatments and healing together.

    I did not take leave during any of my process. The day I had THE mammogram I signed a contract to serve as Interim Dean of Health and found out my now ex-husband had a date that night with a former nursing student. Quite the saga. As a nurse in a health science center I went to work as Dean with drains, my port accessed, nauseated, and conducted business from the chemo chair. I knew if I stayed home I could fall into a black hole. I took naps at work (my building had more beds than some hotels), brought my newly crowned therapy dog to work every day, pushed an IV pole around as I received extra fluids, and kept going. I will admit I used my health as an excuse occasionally to get out of some horrid meeting. The first day of the semester my faculty and staff wore Bald Caps (I was bald by then) and had T-shirts made for everyone in pink camo. A student gave me a purple wig (think stripper pole) and I wore it occasionally. Every faculty member in my building has many initials behind their name so I had lots of medical support at work.

    I served one year as interim and two years as stated Dean. I resigned in June and returned to FT nursing program director. This is a 10-month position versus 12 with much less stress. I have had one of those winding roads the past three years and fell into every rare and unusual side-effect in the book-and had some new ones. I prepared by having a fresh supply of a variety of fluids, flannal pillow cases (in my past I had many children tell me it hurt when your hair falls out), a stack of books, and some easy to do meals. I had been told (and this was good advice) if I had nausea and food aversions to avoid foods I really like because if there was nausea with those I would not want them again. It was true for me.

    Everyone does the best they can. One day at a time-or half a day-or an hour. What ever works for you. There is a thread here about the crazy things people say to you-I will post the exact name later. But-that helped me laugh and realize it was not just me getting crazy comments.

    Be kind to you. Ask questions. Take naps. Drink what you can.

    Susan

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited July 2015

    Kate,

    The thread is The Dumbest Things People have said to you/about you

    The dumbest things people have said to you/about you

  • Gretagirl
    Gretagirl Member Posts: 182
    edited July 2015

    Hi to everyone. Had all my labs today with urinalysis if all clear will start TCH Wednesday. Gooseberry and Kdcjjc we are close in starting treatment and Dx. Sometimes I feel like so strong about this and others I just want to curl up cry and say forget it! It's like a huge roller coaster ! I had my hair cut super short today in prep for shaving it. I kind of like the short style. So I was ok with that. Kate welcome I am relatively new here as well and I am so grateful for this group of women sharing and their inspiration! Just knowing someone is here to advise and help means sooooooo much!

    SpecialK thank you for the information you share. I am learning a lot


  • Tresjoli2
    Tresjoli2 Member Posts: 868
    edited July 2015

    Kate I am doing only taxol and herceptin. I have been able to work 4 days a week. I switched to a "summer hours" schedule and work 9 hours Mon through Thurs and then take 4 hours of intermittent fmla leave on Fridays (first 32 hours of that are sick time and then it will be vacation time). I have a very small tumor as well as a single focus of microinvasion in my dcis. All high grade with comedonecrosis. Due to my high Her2 score (FISH 4.8) ,based on recent research with Dana Farber, and being only 40 with two small kids I went with chemo.

    I have found it easy to work. Day 3 (Mon) is my roughest day. My worst symptoms are really GI related..heartburn and diarrhea which for me sometimes cause nausea. My hair is thinning significantly but so far I have been able to just pull it back in a ponytail and go out.

    Please talk to your doc if you would still lime to have children. Taxol puts you into chemo pause and damages your follicles. You can harvest before starting chemo and still have lots of options for babies in the future.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited July 2015

    KateB, welcome. Sorry you too have joined the club. These incredible women will help guide you for sure. Please let us know how you are doing.


  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2015

    Hello all!

    I tried to take a break for a bit but I can't stay away. Makes me feel disconnected! In the last month, I have been working with my nieces and daughter to plan a multi event shower for my son and his fiancé. Hers was Tickled Pink for. The theme with gold sparkly and pink. While that was going on , the guys had a Lucky in Love casino party at our house with a craps table and dealer, and then an I Do! BBQ family party . It was crazy amount of work thanks to all all the fun ideas on pinterest but so fun.

    I've had some pain on my lower left side that wouldn't go away. Was going for the two week rule but caved at one. Doc thought it might be related to mild diverticulitis but ordered a ct scan. Did a lung xray and found a spot. PANIC !!! They think it may be related to a spot that was onn an X-ray any in 2008 so I'm getting copies for comparison. Heres hoping its the same thing! I haven't caught ups on all the past pages but, hoping everyone is doing well.

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  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2015

    fluff - so beautiful!!! Hoping your spot is a nothing - DH just went through this - turned out to be diverticulosis and doc told him to eliminate the flax he was using in smoothies and limit nuts - pain went away. His abdominal CT inadvertently showed the bottom of his lungs in the CT field and there were numerous nodules in both lungs - eeek! Pulmonologist said watch and wait but he felt it was nothing. Scary though!

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2015

    Fluffqueen Lovely photo. Here's my story. I was scanned before treatment. They found 3-4 suspicious. spots in my liver. Scanned after chemo then 2 more times in a total of 2 years. One went away and the others were unchanged. They assumed they were cysts. Home you have the same results. cysts come and go.

  • KateB79
    KateB79 Member Posts: 747
    edited July 2015

    Thanks to all for the warm welcome and great information. My research brain has kicked into overdrive (and I have access to a university library and its vast databases, yay!); yesterday I spent some time reading about multifocal breast cancer, which is what I have. It looks like I'll likely be offered two different courses of chemo: AC-TH, or TCH. Given the cardiotoxicity associated with AC-TH and the relatively low (statistically speaking) chance of reoccurrence either way, I'll likely opt for TCH if it's offered. We'll see what the two oncologists say.

    I did some research on the docs, too; one of these women has published pretty extensively on aggressive BC (which I have) AND on quality of life during treatment. The other is rated really highly for bedside manner. I'm thinking I'm going with researcher over nurturer, but we'll see. I'll keep you posted.

    Out of curiosity, because everything I've read says something different: what kinds of pre-chemo tests should I expect? Given that my nodes were negative (thank everything holy for a small bit of good news in all of this), should I ask for a bone scan or a baseline brain MRI, or can we assume that there are no mets?

    I'm not happy about my DX or the fact that this has happened to any one of us, but it appears that I've found my people. Thanks again, ladies. :)

  • debiann
    debiann Member Posts: 1,200
    edited July 2015

    Kate, you can also ask about adding Perjeta. Its typically being recommended for neo-adjunctive (before surgery) chemo, but some are getting their insurance to approve it adjunctively, too. 

    I did chemo in 2014. My MO was disappointed that I had already had surgery because he would have liked to have added Perjeta. It was very new at the time, so I said while I understood I could ask my insurance company to approve it anyway, I didn't want to. But following the TCPH thread over the last year, I see lots of good results, so it may be worth looking into.

    I didn't have any additional scans to look for mets. I had a dexascan weeks before my cancer dx to check my bone density. I think my MO would have ordered this scan prior to my starting AI's to get a baseline, but I already had that. He said he'll order another in two years.

    Good luck.

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited July 2015

    kateb,

    If you end up doing AC, you'll get a heart scan. Your MO may or may not recommend the insertion of a port. (My MO wouldn't do AC without a port.) Otherwise, it's up to your MO as to what scans you get.

    I was diagnosed with locally advanced cancer (stage IIIA). So, before chemo, I got an MRI and PET scan, and after chemo, I got an MRI and PET scan. But, I was doing neoadjuvant chemo (chemo before surgery), so the point of my scans was to discover whether or not my cancer shrunk enough during chemo to allow me to have a lumpectomy instead of a mastectomy.

    Some MOs are big on scans. I call my MO Dr. Scan because she orders them all the time (I'll be getting a PET scan in August).

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited July 2015

    Hi Kate,

    I got the best of both with my MO-research and good with patients. We talked research and traded articles often.

    Three years ago just about now I had MRIs of my breasts, bone scan, PET scan, brain MRI, punch biopsies, MUGA, heart ECHO. Not everyone does PET scans and brain MRIs @ the beginning but I had really crappy aggressive cancer with a mega mass that just kept growing. And symptomatic. I felt like a pin cushion and was certain I was glowing in the dark. I did a whirlwind of tests in 4 days and then headed for port placement to start toxic waste infusions (AKA chemo).

    Ask for what you want. When tests come back negative make a check-mark and move to the next step. Dig deep for a sense of humor. Really. It helps. I told the breast MRI group--after my 3rd go-I felt like a porn star dangling my breast (breasts at first) in the holes while they almost were on the floor adjusting me. And told the radiation tech-after about 20 days of him telling me to strip to the waist, put on a gown, and meet him in the back: that it would be nice if just once he had flowers and a really nice old bottle of single malt scotch. After his double-take he laughed.

    We will laugh and cry with you. Any time. Day or night. Really.

    s

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited July 2015

    Fluff-I LOVE the picture. And the description of the parties.

  • rosesrx
    rosesrx Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2015

    I agree with Susan, sense of humor, even if warped helps. It feels so good to smile and laugh.

    Last week walking into treatment room I said "I'm going to the electric chair, I like them better" The nurses got a kick out of that, probably more so because I didn't realize what I had said until I sat down. I am still blonde even with no hair.

  • Jumpship
    Jumpship Member Posts: 305
    edited July 2015

    I'm curious if anyone had itching with Herceptin only. I'm at12/18 treatments and I've been itching only for the last treatment. Nothing helps.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2015

    rosesrx I used to call the treatment room the crackhouse!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2015

    I referred to it as the lethal injection room, but my MO calls it the filling station, but you have to be old enough to appreciate the reference. My infusion room did a lot of non-chemo stuff because of the hematology practice, so there were people getting iron and some other concoctions - lots of people connected to "gas" pumps.

  • alice12
    alice12 Member Posts: 55
    edited July 2015

    ladies, I am new to this group. I am stage 1, node negative, 1cm, triple positive, and will start 6 cycle of Taxotere Carboplatin, Herceptin every 21 days.

    I wonder if there is data showing recurrence and survival rate for our group?

    I've read hundreds of threads from another group, some has recurrence within 1 to 3 years. I am nervous about the future. Any information would be appreciated.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2015

    Alice12 I was stage IIB. Really big tumor. Diagnosed exactly 5 years ago last Monday. I am still NED (no evidence of disease). The first 2 years are when most recurrences occur. That doesn't mean you will. I would also ask about Perjeta (for HER2+). This was recently approved for early stage to get before surgery.

    Finally your oncologist should be able to give you statistics based on your medical history, age etc. with and without treatment. I know for me with treatment I had a 84% chance of remaining NED the first 10 years. (Note they didn't even consider Herecptin in that number because it hadn't been around for early stage 10 years at that time so my odds are probably even better).

    HER2+ used to be one of the worst diagnosis. Now triple positive prognosis is one of the best.

  • alice12
    alice12 Member Posts: 55
    edited July 2015

    lago: thank you for your encouraging information. I read so much from googles, i think I got information overload. some articles said survival rate is lower for triple positive, compared to other type, and some said triple negative is worse. Being informed that you have cancer is life changing experience. I am nervous and scared about the future, especially about the recurrence.


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