5 years post dcis diagnosis....any thoughts?
Hello, I used to post occasionally years back but forgot my previous sign-in info. Just looking for any thought or insights. Five years ago I had what was believed to be a prophylactic mastectomy on the right. More than a year before my right mastectomy, I had been diagnosed and treated for invasive, node negative tnbc. When I had my left mastectomy, scattered dcis was found. It was small, different grades. My closest margin on the skin side was 2 mm near a small area of dcis. My chest wall margins were good. At the time of the right mastectomy, I had tissue expanders placed. The reconstruction didn't work out for me. I left my expanders in too long (2 years) and managed to rupture my right expander because I couldn't stop feeling it all the time. I had severe capsular contracture on the left (had expander placed post radiation). My chest wall was in pretty rough condition (like ground meat) because I kept scraping the ruptured expander on the back and forth on the inside of my muscle. No cancer cells were found in any of the tissue samples biopsied when my expanders were removed. Drs. told me at the time of my expander removal that they would not do any reconstruction that involved a foreign body. I did not pursue any other reconstruction.
So now 3 years after my expanders are removed and 5 years after my right mastectomy, I felt something small (but not pea like) up front about an inch or so from my armpit. My radiation oncologist saw me today and she was able to feel it too, barely, and thought it might be a muscle irregularity. It was difficult to feel and doesn't have a real lumpy feel. She said it was subtle and small and said it felt like maybe a centimeter. She got me in for an ultrasound though. The ultrasound tech said she could feel something really tiny as well. She did the ultrasound. Then the dr. came in to check himself. He said he could see something, but couldn't tell what it was without looking at it in real time. So, after looking at it he says I have an enlarged lymph node and that it is 2 x 3 centimeters!! I think this is huge. They didn't check all my lymph nodes, but from the ultrasound they could see only one enlarged. I had no other masses visible on the ultrasound and no other palpable masses were detected.
I am pretty sure this must be bc again. As far as I can tell I have no palpable nodes under my arm and no other lumps. I am also pretty sure that the node is likely bigger from how much I pushed on it. I have a crease at my scar where the skin kind of folds over. It became irritated earlier this week, likely from sweating. I felt it so much that I scratched the skin and the entire area became really inflamed. Once I quit picking at it as much the redness went away as did all the irritation. But I still prod myself regularly. It is like I give myself a self exam at least 10 time a day. When I found the little ridge, I prodded it so much that my the time I saw the dr. it looked like I had a bulls eye over the area. So, I am pretty sure that I made the enlargement worse than it would have been otherwise, but I also don't think it could be just a reactive node. I had an enlarged reactive node with my left mastectomy that was negative for cancer, but I don't think I was able to feel it. I am worried that this is not a new cancer but something that has been growing for years. I did not have a snb with the right mastectomy. I had a path review and physical done at Penn at the time 5 years ago and no further treatment was recommended. I know breast cancer can do anything, but my impression was that since I do not have reconstruction that any recurrence or new cancer would be likely detectable through regular chest wall examinations. which I have.
The radiologist was noncommittal. He said it was abnormal because it is large but he couldn't tell what was making it enlarged. They are going to try to get me in asap next week for a needle biopsy and told me I need to quit touching the area. I have only felt it about three times since seeing the dr. but am going to be pretty nonfunctional until I get some answers.
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Lymph nodes can become enlarged and infected for reasons other than breast cancer. The prodding and touching, while hard to not do, only makes this worse. Of couse pursue with your doctor to get an explanation, but stop examing it and give it time to heal.
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Thanks for your response. From what I can tell, the lymph node must be an interpectoral node. It is not palpable when I (or the doctor) rum my hand down my chest starting at the collar bone. I have no other palpable nodes under the arm or at the collar bone or on the chest wall. It just seems weird that such a large node would be so difficult to feel. Both dr. and ultrasound tech said what they could feel was tiny. I think it is breast cancer, but as far as I can tell metastasis to the interpectoral node without any evidence of any other nodal involvement is rare, and is also rare as the first site of a recurrence after invasive cancer. Since I had dcis with good chest wall margins, but one small skin margin at 2 mm, it just seems really odd that I would have an interpectoral node metastatis five years after my mastectomy. I wonder if breaking my expander in my chest could have caused this somehow.
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Hi
I'm glad I found your post. I had dcis grade 3 30mm palpable lump with micro invasion, Er+ good margins. Lumpectomy, rads and now tamoxifen for 5 years. Diagnosed last September. Now 3 weeks ago I found a lump at the side of my right breast (cancer breast ). My oncologist seen me straight away and after he examined me he sent me for an ultrasound. The ultrasound found an enlarged lymph node so They carried out a biopsy . I will get my results on Tuesday. Like yourself I am convinced the cancer is back as the only other thing it could be is infection which I know it is not. ( as previously had an infected lymph node and it's not the same as this time).
Although I can not offer you any advice I want you to know you are not alone.
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Good luck to you Spark. I hope you get good results. I don't even know what an infected/reactive lymph node is suppose to feel like. I did have a rash that turned very reactive earlier this week - my skin all of a sudden turned bright red in a way that it hadn't previously (I think I prodded one time too many and my skin finally screamed "Enough!". He skin was broken with a scratch about 1.5 centimeters from my fingernail and a few little places. The rash completely disappeared in a few days. I have a really difficult time keeping myself from repeatedly checking the area, even after 5 years. I am in constant fear that I will miss something if I don' t feel it all the time - that is how I broke my expander. I don't wear a prosthesis so I have easy access for checking. I don't think my node is hard because if I press really hard on it I can feel my ribs through it. The radiation oncologist thought it was muscle, I guess firmish but not hard. It doesn't feel anything like a pea and this is always what I was told to expect. Who knows, cancer is unpredictable.
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Spark, hope things went well for you today.
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I am scheduled for a fna next week. I am really worried. I do not think that what I have is related to my invasive cancer diagnosed more than 1 year before my dcis in the good breast. I did find a few cases where there has been a recurrence to the lymph node only without any evidence of chest wall involvement. I assume this must be really rare and would likely indicate a missed micro invasion, but I am not sure. In one case the cancer recurred only to the supraclavical nodes 10 years after a single mastectomy, with no evidence of any other metastases. This woman had a close margin, and she still had her other breast. The other breast appeared normal but perhaps still a possibility.
There was only one other case in medical literature that I found. The recurrence was in the axilla after bmx, and was treated with surgery and chemo. There was no evidence of any spread to the chest wall or anywhere else. This recurrence happened under 20 months from the original surgery, so perhaps this indicates a missed microinvasion, but seems like part if the original event unlike the one that recurred at 10 years.
But even in spite of these two cases, it seems that recurrence is pretty rare for people treated with mastectomy even with positive margins and no radiation. I did have a rash last week and I believe skin rashes can cause enlarged nodes. When my expander was removed the surgeon didn't remove the excess skin so the skin hands over the mastectomy scar. It sweats and stuff. The rash was pretty much gone a few days before finding the node. It seems weird to me that they saw one really enlarged node, but no other enlarged nodes. He said there was only one that he could see. The node has gone down some, but that is likely because I haven't been palpating my chest as much. I could find no information about the impact on nodes from constant prodding and deep prodding that goes on for years. In the meantime, I have developed a tooth abscess where I fiddle with a tooth that is cracked. I am on antibiotics for that now.
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