Cytoxan Taxotere Chemo Ladies- February/March 2013

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  • ThinkingPositive
    ThinkingPositive Member Posts: 834
    edited July 2015


    JosieDS..thanks for the info on your side effects with Letrizole.  I have not experienced any hot flashes.. just the joint and muscle aches like you described.  I did not have the oncotype test.. My MO said that it would probably come back high and would take three weeks... I am thinking more and more that I should have had the test done?  Did you?  What does it tell you ?

  • ThinkingPositive
    ThinkingPositive Member Posts: 834
    edited July 2015


    JosieDS...thanks for the info on your side effects.  I do not have the hot flashes, only the muscle and joint aches that you described as having.   I just have it in the back of my head that its related to other "things" that I don't want to think about.  So at least hearing what I have is common and others are experiencing it puts my mind at ease....well at least for a little while.  No I did not have the oncotype test.  My MO said that since I had one node positive and I was grade 3 with a KI67 at 27%, my oncotype score would probably come back high, plus it would take 3 weeks to get the results.. it just seemed like he was not interested in having the test done for me.  Now I am thinking now that I know more I should have had it done.  Did you have it and if so what did the results state if you don't mind me asking..

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited July 2015

    Josiedx, one thread to look at is Arimidex Uses. I will be starting Arimidex sometime after chemo. If you do not find anything helpful there, those ladies will guide you to where you need to go. Although, as Cats said, there is probably a thread for what you are taking.

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited July 2015

    Thinkingpositive, Check out the Femara topic; it's been very helpful to me. I second the responses you received above. I've been on letrozole about 2 months. The joint pain and stiffness was horrible in the beginning, but has improved. I still have a hard time standing up after sitting or getting out of bed or the car. I'm hoping it will continue to get better. I also changed manufacturers of the letrozole, so that may have helped, too. I'm seeing a therapist to regaining full movement in the shoulder on my surgery side. I did the arm exercises post surgery, but after rads I noticed tightness in my side, breast and shoulder. It seems to be partially due to being unable to move due to the burns from rads and scar tissue formation. It's kind of painful, so I thought I would mention it in case it's something affecting you, too.

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited July 2015

    10 days out from 3rd T/C and feeling so bad. Bone pain still that I can hardly walk. For those of you finished, did you have longer snd longer side effects. I can do much of nothing. So worried about number 4 next week.

  • JosieDS
    JosieDS Member Posts: 12
    edited July 2015

    ThinkingPositive, I have no problem in sharing! I did have the Oncotype test. I got an 18. I was node negative and invasion negative....but I am hardly PR positive (3%) so my MO said I should do chemo anyway. I did four rounds of TC. The 18 Oncotype score is on the border between intermediate risk and low risk of recurrence. With chemo and the AI therapy, my risk of recurrence is about 8-9 percent. Without chemo, it was 11 percent. I did the chemo because my MO didn't like other factors...like the PR. I am ER positive and HER2 negative, and my KI67 was low, 7%. Mysunshine, my chemo side effects are long gone. You will get better. I too had exhaustion and bone pain during TC. PM me if you want more information.

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited July 2015

    Mysunshine: Sorry you are in so much pain. I suggest you call your MO tomorrow and explain how you are feeling. Chemo is serious treatment, and they have so many ways to help us with our side effects. ((hugs))

  • Marksgirl
    Marksgirl Member Posts: 65
    edited July 2015


    Cats and Sunshine - You are in my thoughts!!!!    Glad your lung scan was clear Sunshine.  You are both almost through!   My round 4 was better than 2 and 3, mostly staying on top of the meds and figuring out how to manage the hives/fever etc helped.   For some reason, I had no hoarseness at all even though my Cytoxan was the same, day 4 always the worst for me too.    I am feeling so much better, away from the boards, lost track of weeks PFC, diminishing side effects, and down 4 lbs of the bizarre weight that just ballooned on (10 - 12 lbs total in chemo).    I have started radiation and Tamoxifen but am determined to be one of those people who lose weight on Tamox - surely it is taking away my appetite???????     The mind is powerful - may be I can convince myself!     Hopefully that is the best news as I found the "unearned" weight so discouraging.   

    Samaileku - you made my day!!!!!!  

    Love to you all, special hugs to you who are still attending the spa.  

  • Rebecca54
    Rebecca54 Member Posts: 78
    edited July 2015

    Hi all, I have popped in and out of this thread but right now feel a little crappy to try and find a comprehensive list of side effects of TC. I had my 2nd infusion this past Tuesday 7/6 and just today am feeling nauseous. I only took the steroids through Tuesday as I had no nausea after round 1. Just took a Compazine, guess I need to take a laxative too now! lol. Can someone please point me to a list of side effects? Peace and positive vibes to all my sisters!

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited July 2015

    Here's a link to the BCO list of chemo drugs: http://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/druglist

    You can find both Cytoxan and taxotere on the list a click to their SE.

    I was nauseous with treatment, too. Call your MO. They should be able to call in an rx to help you manage the nausea.

    I had to take the laxative for a couple of days after infusion, then stop until the next round.

  • Rebecca54
    Rebecca54 Member Posts: 78
    edited July 2015

    Thanks you guys! xoxoxo


  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited July 2015


    I have not read too much about long term effects of these drugs. I know there are cardiac issues with some other drugs. Anyone have ant information about this?

    And, in the chair Thursday for T/C number 4 and praying for no worse side effects. Number 3 has been difficult.

  • Rebecca54
    Rebecca54 Member Posts: 78
    edited July 2015

    mysunshine48 and others who have been through rd #3 do you mind telling us about rd #3 or have you lived it enough and are done with it? I'm just curious as I'm just past rd #2 and we are hoping to take our usual family vacation a week after rd #3. So many moving parts in this with kids jobs, hubby's job, dogs, and then adding chemo side effects! I'm at day 7 for rd #2 and was surprised by nausea yesterday. I never had nausea with rd #1 and thought I was far enough out to be safe.

    Also, a question to those who have tissue expander(s). Are you still getting fills during chemo? My ps doesn't want to fill until after blood test to see how white blood cells are doing which had basically made it impossible to schedule and I'm frustrated. I KNOW,,,,let it gooooooo, there is no control! HA!

    peace!

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited July 2015

    Rebecca, I just had a lot of bone pain (I get Neulasta) and weak legs that I did not have after 1 and 2. So weak this past 2 weeks. No nausea. I just could not do much of anything. Before, I could go to the grocery store, but today is the first time I will venture to the grocery and it has been 17 days. We are all different, so I hope you can still go on your family vacation. Good luck!

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited July 2015

    Oh, and no, I am not getting fills during chemo. Chemo has been enough without adding fills. I am at about 500cc's now so plan to wait until 3 or 4 weeks after last treatment.

  • CatsRus
    CatsRus Member Posts: 310
    edited July 2015
    Rebecca, as Mysunshine says, we are all different. Recovery time from #2 was the longest for me. My blood pressure was very low and I had to lie down a lot! #3 hasn't been bad for me. I wish you well and hope the family vacation is wonderful.
  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited July 2015

    My chemo was last fall and I found the SE to be predictable on their timing. For example, weakest days would be 4-6, nausea over by day 7 and so on. I experienced more fatigue with each round. I also got some odd SE which didn't stop me from doing things (such as watery eyes "taxo-tears").

  • JosieDS
    JosieDS Member Posts: 12
    edited July 2015

    I finished chemo on February 20 (4 rounds of TC). I also was a little more tired with round 3, but I think I was so excited about round 4 being my last I didn't think about the fatigue. I didn't have nausea at all....I hated the steroids but I guess they helped. I just had no energy...I was in my recliner a lot. I felt ok by week two and good by week 3. I didn't get the watery eyes but I did get the sensitive nails, and they turned a little brown but not until I was done with chemo. I also had to get Granix shots (6 after each treatment) for low white blood cells, and just driving in to get the shots every day was exhausting. I also had some chest pain that was related to chemo and the bone pain, but I was insecure about it. All was well. I say go for your trip! As long as your family is understanding that you will have fatigue and be fragile.

  • Rebecca54
    Rebecca54 Member Posts: 78
    edited July 2015

    Does anyone else wonder when the phone will ring and it will be one of the millions of Drs you've seen telling you that it's all a mistake?? It's someone else who has cancer! :)

  • CatsRus
    CatsRus Member Posts: 310
    edited July 2015

    DONE!!!! Just got home from my last chemo. Now I just have to get through the next 1-2 weeks and then hopefully I'll be good to go. Mind you, I start Letrozole in 2 weeks so a whole new set of SEs to watch out for!

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited July 2015

    Congratulations, Cats! Woohoo! Chemo is done!

    I'm on letrozole, too. Started about 2 months ago. The SE are nothing compared to the ones I had with chemo.

    Have you joined the Femara thread? I found it helpful.

    I strongly recommend you have a dexascan (bone scan) before you start letrozole. I noticed on the boards that some docs aren't scheduling this for their patients.

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited July 2015

    Done too! Same as you, Cats, got to get through the next 2 or 3 weeks. As you know, I get the bone pain! Then, I will also be starting Arimidex. So hope little or no side effects from that! I have had enough side effects with chemo!

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited July 2015

    Congrats to you, Sunshine! Happy dance time!

  • CatsRus
    CatsRus Member Posts: 310
    edited July 2015

    Thanks PoppyK, I am following the Femara thread, and am glad to hear the SE sound manageable. I will be getting a bone density test but I will likely have started Letrozole before I get an appt, hopefully won't be too long before. Although I have been very happy with the treatment and speed of treatment I have received here in Canada, sometimes the wheels do move somewhat slowly.

    Sunshine, happy dance for you albeit in my head... the fatigue seems to be setting in already. I hope your bone pain is non-existent or at least minimal this time. I know it took it's toll after round 3.


  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited July 2015


    Thanks, Cats, feeling pretty good today.....steroids probably giving me energy. In fact, I am going to walk to the community gym and walk on the treadmill and maybe a little on the bike. Shot this afternoon. Ugg! Then, the crash and probably bone pain, but with the relief I can focus on getting stronger. I need to find out about estrogen inhibitors, I still have exchange surgery and from what Inread cannot be on that prior to surgery. Still much to find out. Plus I am dealing with Coumedin too.

    Thanks PoppyK! How are you doing after being out of trestment 7 months?

    To all of you, thank you for all your support

  • CatsRus
    CatsRus Member Posts: 310
    edited July 2015

    Glad you have energy, Mysunshine, the fatigue has set in early for me even with the steroids. I'm usually good until Sunday but It started yesterday and is a little worse today. Neulasta shot this afternoon but hopefully no bone pain again. I start Letrozole in two weeks, I won't be doing reconstruction until sometime next year, if I bother at all, still undecided.


  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited July 2015

    You should be fine getting the bone scan after you start letrozole. Some women weren't even told about the bone scans until after they had been on AIs for years. How can the docs know if you experience bone loss without that baseline scan?

    The last round of chemo hit me the hardest as far as fatigue went. I think I just got worn down by all of the rounds. So take it easy, rest, exercise as you can and remember to eat.

    I'm doing okay. Trying to find that new normal. I have a full head of chemocurls. If I stretch the curls out, my hair about 3 inches long. Getting the weight off is another matter.

    I have met several people who opted for no reconstruction. It's another big procedure and they didn't want to go through it. Some wore foobs, others just went flat. They looked great either way. But most importantly, they were happy with their decision!

    Good luck with the nasty neulasta shots.

  • Suzanne50
    Suzanne50 Member Posts: 280
    edited July 2015

    Hello all - I just wanted to introduce myself. I had a mastectomy July 1st and will start chemo August 3rd - 4 rounds, 3 weeks apart. My oncologist isn't recommending radiation following my chemo but my breast surgeon is questioning that decision. I had 3 positive nodes. He claims it is common protocol to follow up with radiation. I have to get a second opinion. Just wondering if you ladies had any thoughts? Thanks in advance.

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited July 2015

    Hi Suzanne, Welcome to the boards! Have you met with a radiation oncologist? They might be the best source for information. Here's a link for info on when rads is appropriate... including after a Mx.

    http://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/radiation/when_appropriate

    It depends on the location of the cancer, how much breast tissue remains, lymph node involvement and so on.

    Since the cancer invaded the lymph channels and your nodes, rads is recommended.

    Hope this helps you!

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