did anybody's ILC start as ALH?
My mother had stage 4 ILC and I have just had a biopsy which turned up ALH and my BS is recommending surgery.
I had a biopsy turn up ADH in 2009 which upon surgical biopsy turned out to be DCIS.
I'm worried the surgical biopsy will turn up something more serious as happened to me in 2009.
I'm just wondering if this has happened to anyone here - that your ALH turned out to be ILC or that your ILC started out as ALH?
Thank you so much.
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Dear Tovah's mom:
Yes.
I had a lump that was originally biopsied years ago and the dx on the pathology report was fibroadenomateous hyperplasia. The next time that the lump was biopsied at the time of my bc diagnosis, the name changed to flat epithelial hyperplasia, ALH, PASH, sclerosing adenosis, well as many other benign findings too. Nothing was visible for this lump on my mammo or ultrasound even though it was approximately 3.5cm and it was palpable.
When I met with my breast surgeon after diagnosis, I asked the surgeon to remove that lump as well because, even though the lump was benign, the name had changed and the lump was palpable. The size hadn't changed since the first biopsy and my original breast surgeon did not recommend excising it years ago. I'm glad because it saved me from having another surgery and the PLCIS and TC probably would not have been detected if I had a lumpectomy at the time of the original biopsy. The pathology report showed that I had Infiltratrating Tubular Carcinoma and Pleomorphic Lobular Carcinoma In Situ with Ductal Involvement in that lump.
My original BC diagnosis in the other lump was pleomorphic invasive lobular carcinoma and pleomorphic lobular carcinoma in situ. That lump was originally biopsied years ago and it came back benign (I do not recall the name of the benign finding). The PILC and PLCIS grew in that lump. My surgeon stated that the lump did not become malignant but that the malignancy attached itself to that lump. My cancer was detected because that lump changed.
I am SO LUCKY that my cancer was diagnosed and detected early. Lobular is extremely hard to detect and it is sneaky. My doctors are phenomenal and they saved my life. I am so grateful for all of my doctors.
Good luck with your decision and with the outcome. I will pray for you.
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What a story! Thank goodness your ILC was detected early. You say that lobular cancer is sneaky and hard to detect. That's what I'm worried about, but I'm wasting my time because there's no reason to worry when you've got nothing to worry about. It's just my previous history and my mother's ILC diagnosis.
Thank you for sharing your story.
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I don't know which came first, but when I had my surgery and final pathology, my left breast had ILC, LCIS and ALH. My mother died of BC in the early 90s -- I'm not sure what type she had. I am BRCA1/2 negative. My ILC lump also was not visible on mammograms (I'd had a clean mammogram a year before the palpable lump was detected by my Ob/gyn, who ordered a diagnostic mammogram - which was still inconclusive) - or really on ultrasound (when the surgeon did the ultrasound right before my biospy he said he could hardly see the spot). The ILC did then show up on an MRI that was done pre-surgery.
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Dear Tovah's Mom:
I love the name Tovah. By chance, do you know anyone in Seagate?
I am sorry about your mother. You are worried because your mom was not diagnosed until she was stage 4. In addition, you had DCIS and LCIS which would never have been detected if you had not had it excised after the biopsy that showed ADH. The DCIS dx was unexpected and scary. Now you have ALH so, of course you are worried. In addition, you were diagnosed young.
I don't know whether the ALH will become ILC or LCIS. However, ALH increases your risk for a subsequent cancer. You are already at risk because you have already been diagnosed with BC, you were diagnosed prior to age 50, and you have a strong family history of bc. Thank G-d that you are BRCA-.
I do not know what part of NY that you live in but there are excellent doctors and hospitals in NY. I am from NY too. Hopefully, you trust your doctors and they can give you guidance.
That being said, it is so hard not to worry. Good luck.
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I'm not sure what all my diagnosises were, but I had lumps and bumps and cysts which required multiple aspirations for years beforehand. The generalized diagnosis was fibrocystic breast disease, although I don't think they use that term anymore, nor was it as benign as I was always told. I had a negative mammogram 6 months before the ILC diagnosis, and had high proliferation rates (44/39%) when discovered.
They're finding a genetic component to ILC, and possibly with ILC and IDC too. My Mom had IDC and so did her sister. I glad you caught it early too. It's going to be hard for me to trust a mammogram ever again. -
Thank you everyone for your responses and the supportive words. 614, I am being treated at NYU so think I have a good team. And no I know no one from Seagate (Brooklyn?). I did know someone there but he moved out years ago. And thanks, I LOVE the name Tovah as well.
Leslie13, thank you for sharing. I totally get why you wouldn't trust a mammogram. 614 said that lobular is sneaky and hard to detect. That was the case with my mother which is why I am worried. Her ILC was not detected on her mammo just the year before and by the time they found it, it was stage 4. And lojo, I can't imagine you would trust a mammo again either.
I am jumping the gun a bit since I haven't even met with the BS yet and haven't even seen my biopsy report. The nurse only told me that I needed surgery. BTW, is it routine for the nurse to call and not the BS with the results?
Thank you all again. I am a little bit more at ease. It's the waiting around for appointments and tests and surgery and results that is very very hard.
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Dear Tovah'smom:
Wow. Your mom had a clean mammogram and the next year she was diagnosed at stage IV - ILC. That is terrifying. I am so sorry. I really hope that your situation does not mimic what happened to your mom.
The waiting is so difficult. When one does not know, it is easy to conjure up the worst possible scenario's. I am glad that you will be having surgery for your ALH so that it will give you peace of mind. Whatever the pathology, at least you will know what you are dealing with and then you can be treated, if necessary. Since you have a history of BC, a dx at a young age, as well as a strong family history, you need to be proactive. Good luck. Yes, NYU is a phenomenal hospital with a fantastic team. (Yes, I did mean Seagate in Brooklyn.)
Dear Lojo and Leslie:
Thank G-d that both of your cancers were detected. ILC is so sneaky and difficult to detect. It is really scary. Lojo, I'm glad that the ILC was detected on the MRI. That is a relief. Leslie: I definitely understand why you don't trust mammograms.
I will be praying for all 3 of you.
I wonder if I will ever have peace of mind again?
Good luck to everyone. Thanks for you posts.
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I think I have very much in common with tovahsmom. My mother had breast cancer, diagnosed at 33yo and died at 40yo. That was 30 years ago. About 11 years ago, I had a fibroadenoma removed, and they found ALH in the surrounding tissue. I am BRCAneg, but given my family history and ALH, I was still considered at high risk. As a result, I was taking tamoxifen and getting annual mammos plus annual MRIs (alternating every 6 months).
At my last MRI in June, they found a 1cm mass, which has turned out to be ILC. It is not visible on a mammogram. Not only did my mammo miss it 6 months ago, I got another one (3D) after the MRI saw it, and we still don't see it.
So, my takeaway from my own experience as well as everything I've learned is that if you're high risk, particularly with ALH, you should be getting MRIs along with mammos. An u/s following each mammo doesn't hurt, either.
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Dear AJ:
I am so sorry about your mom. I am so glad that you had the MRI and that the ILC was detected. You are lucky that they found it. I hope that you are at stage 1. I wish you the best as you embark upon your bc journey. It is too bad that you have become part of this club. However, please try to stay positive and good luck with whatever treatment that the doctors recommend for you. I'm glad that you found this website. It is very informative and supportive. I will say prayers for you.
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Tovahsmom: Was just diagnosed yesterday with ILC -- fortunately very small and low grade. Core needle biopsy weeks ago showed LCIS and ALH. Original mammogram callback was due to clustered microcalcifications.
I have strong family history. BS says PBM not an unreasonable option for me. Am info gathering now, including reading up on "sneaky" nature of ILC. From reading this thread, it sounds like ILC is not as easily detectable with imaging as IDC, etc. For me, it would be nerve-wracking to be screened often and still fear missing a cancer that was a "thickening" instead of a lump.
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