WSJ Article: The Double Mastectomy Rebellion

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Warrior_Woman
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Hi Everyone,

This article appeared in the weekend edition of WSJ and I've copied it for your review as it's subscription only. Although the information is nothing new, there is reference made to possible ramifications in the future regarding insurance reimbursements for a BMX and reconstruction. "While there is general consensus about the science, there are significant divisions about what doctors should do. Some want clearer guidelines that could limit the procedure and others even suggest that insurers should stop covering it except in high-risk cases. But others argue that they can't refuse a well-informed woman."

I am frankly tired of articles suggesting that my decision was uninformed and too radical. I have zero regrets. Zero. And I wish that for each of us regardless of the direction one takes with her life and body. I certainly don't want any woman's options limited during a most critical time in her life.

~ Happy reading.

The Double Mastectomy Rebellion

Defying Doctors, More Women With Breast Cancer Choose Double Mastectomies

BY LUCETTE LAGNADO

Chiara D'Agostino, midway through a series of planned operations to remove and reconstruct both breasts. ALLISON MICHAEL ORENSTEIN FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

After she was diagnosed with cancer in her left breast last fall, Chiara D'Agostino turned to two holistic healers, a psychotherapist, a massage therapist, a hospital social worker, a meditation class and two support groups to help her navigate a frightening new world.

One piece of advice she doesn't plan to follow: her doctor's. The surgeon recommended a single mastectomy along with chemotherapy and radiation. But many women in the support groups argued that she should get both breasts removed.

One warned Ms. D'Agostino that her healthy breast would eventually sag while the reconstructed one stayed perky. Others, trying to be helpful, would lift their tops to show off their new figures. "I was like, 'You are crazy. I would rather keep my breasts,' " said Ms. D'Agostino, a 43-year-old former Italian teacher from New Jersey. But after hearing the message for months—and discovering that her insurance would pay for the second procedure—she decided to have her healthy breast taken off and reconstructed too.

Researchers have tracked sharp increases in double mastectomies, even among women at low risk for cancer to develop in the other breast and for whom the radical procedure offers no additional survival benefits. Doctors call it a profound shift in the prevailing medical culture and some have begun to question whether the field should reconsider performing what amounts to an amputation with little evidence to support its efficacy.

"This is an epidemic," says Dr. Ann Partridge, an oncologist at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston.

An analysis of the National Cancer Data Base revealed that 12% of women who received surgery for Stages 0-to-3 breast cancer in 2012 underwent a double mastectomy, up from 2% in 1998. Nearly 30% of women under age 45 opted to have both breasts removed in the most recent year, according to the analysis by Dr. Katharine Yao, director of breast surgery at NorthShore University HealthSystem near Chicago.

Watch the video: Follow Chiara D'Agostino as she comes to terms with her diagnosis and makes a decision about her treatment. Image: Robert Libetti/The Wall Street Journal

A constellation of factors have contributed to the surge. Most public and private insurers have been mandated since 1998 by federal law to cover reconstructive surgery after a mastectomy. The doctor-patient relationship has changed, and physicians are reluctant to tell women what they should or shouldn't do. Advances in plastic surgery promise more attractive artificial breasts than ever before.

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Then there is what doctors dub the "Angelina effect." The actress Angelina Jolie, whose own mother died of cancer, announced in 2013 that she had undergone a preventive double mastectomy after a blood test revealed that she had a genetic predisposition for breast cancer.In an op-ed piece she said, "I feel empowered that I made a strong choice that in no way diminishes my femininity."

There is a general consensus that such procedures dramatically decrease the risk of breast cancer for genetically vulnerable women like her, who represent a minuscule 0.25% of the U.S. population, according to Dr. Kenneth Offit, chief of the genetics service at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in Manhattan. After the actress's announcement, women across the country flocked to get tested.

But doctors say they are also seeing increases in the numbers of low- or average-risk women who, when diagnosed with cancer, opt to have their healthy breast removed along with their stricken one, a procedure called a contralateral prophylactic mastectomy. "There are women who have come to think of their breasts as the enemy," says Dr. Offit.

There are women who have come to think of their breasts as the enemy.
—Dr. Kenneth Offit

A mounting body of medical literature is arguing against such drastic surgery. The procedure virtually eliminates the already-tiny chance that cancer will develop in the remaining breast. But it carries its own significant risks of complications such as infections. Meanwhile, doctors say, returning cancer is much more likely to spread or metastasize elsewhere in the body, such as bones, the liver or the brain.

A DRASTIC CHOICE

Many more women—especially those 45 and under—are opting for double mastectomies when fighting stage 0 to stage 3 breast cancer.

SOURCE: ANALYSIS OF THE NATIONAL CANCER DATA BASE BY DR. KATHARINE YAO, M.D., NORTHSHORE UNIVERSITY HEALTHSYSTEM

Dr. Steven Katz, a researcher at the University of Michigan who has published several studies on double mastectomies, said the rate of the cancer recurring elsewhere in the body is as high as 13%. "Women should be focusing on staying alive, which has nothing to do with taking out the other breast," he said.

A groundbreaking study of nearly 190,000 California women with breast cancer led by Stanford University oncologist Allison Kurian revealed that survival rates weren't any better for women who opted for double mastectomies than those who chose a breast-saving lumpectomy with radiation. Dr. Kurian says her database study raises the question of "whether the outcome of contralateral prophylactic mastectomy is worth its costs to a woman's quality of life and to society."

Many women who choose the surgery say any risk of returning breast cancer is too high. They say they are grateful to be free of the mammograms, MRIs and doctors' appointments necessary to monitor the other breast and the anxiety that arises every time a test shows a possible anomaly.

"This is about living your life without looking over your shoulders," says Jennifer Finkelstein, who was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2005 when she was 32 years old. She had a single mastectomy and reconstructive surgery. Still cancer-free five years later, she decided to have her healthy breast removed against the advice of her oncologist.

This is about living your life without looking over your shoulders.
—Jennifer Finkelstein

Ms. Finkelstein said her instincts told her the surgery could protect her—and she no longer sees unmatched breasts in the mirror.

The surgeries weren't easy. She has needed by her own count five or six operations or procedures involving both breasts. One surgery left her with a tattooed nipple in the wrong place. But Ms. Finkelstein says emphatically that she doesn't regret her decision. She recently founded a New York nonprofit organization, 5 Under 40, which provides financial and emotional support for young women diagnosed with breast cancer.

Jennifer Finkelstein had a single mastectomy in 2005 after a cancer diagnosis, then chose to have her healthy breast removed five years later for peace of mind.

Jennifer Finkelstein had a single mastectomy in 2005 after a cancer diagnosis, then chose to have her healthy breast removed five years later for peace of mind. PHOTO: ALLISON MICHAEL ORENSTEIN FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

White women, in particular younger white women, are twice as likely to undergo the surgery compared with other racial groups, according to a study by Dr. Yao of NorthShore using the National Cancer Data Base, which captures roughly 70% of newly diagnosed cancers in the U.S.

Karen Hurley, a New York-based psychologist who specializes in treating breast cancer patients says peer pressure contributes to the rise. "You see almost this proselytizing," she says. Dr. Hurley believes women who go ahead with the surgery are often regarded as brave and in control. "At one point, empowerment was keeping your breasts, and now it is removing them."

After Dr. Hurley was herself diagnosed with Stage 3 breast cancer in one breast, she had a single mastectomy and reconstruction but chose to keep her other healthy breast because she was familiar with the risks of complications.

Historically, women with breast cancer faced a nightmarish treatment and few options except for radical mastectomy, a surgery that included the removal of the breast, underlying chest muscles and axillary lymph nodes and often left them disfigured.

In the 1960s and 1970s, University of Pittsburgh doctor Bernard Fisher did seminal research on treating breast cancer using a lumpectomy, a delicate operation that involved removing the cancerous material from a breast along with some surrounding tissue. Dr. Fisher concluded that a lumpectomy followed by therapy such as radiation was as effective as a mastectomy in treating cancer. Dr. Fisher was hailed as a hero.

But mastectomies were still common, and women were still left scarred. In 1998, Congress passed the Women's Health and Cancer Rights Act, which mandated that most health insurers cover reconstructive surgery for women who had mastectomies. The legislation, pushed by former New York Sen. Alphonse D'Amato, helped women who couldn't afford reconstruction and combated the notion that reconstructive surgery was strictly cosmetic.

It had another effect. In an analysis using 1998 to 2011 data in the National Cancer Data Base, Dr. Evan Matros, a Sloan Kettering reconstructive surgeon, and other researchers found that as the number of double mastectomies rose, there was a correlative decline in lumpectomies and single mastectomies.

In other words, even as medicine has moved more toward minimally invasive surgeries in other arenas, many women with breast cancer have been moving in the opposite direction, said the study, which was published in May in the journal Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery.

RECONSTRUCTION BOOM

Breast reconstruction surgeries, change from a year earlier

SOURCE: AMERICAN SOCIETY OF PLASTIC SURGEONS (ONLY PROCEDURES PERFORMED BY SOCIETY-MEMBER SURGEONS)

The surgeries can be costly. According to data from a major private health insurer a single mastectomy—not including hospitalization—averages $8,500; a double mastectomy costs 24% more, or $10,500. Reconstruction of each breast costs $10,000—or nearly three times as much as a simple cosmetic augmentation procedure, which typically isn't covered by insurance. Altogether, the average cost of a double mastectomy with reconstruction was 65% higher than removing and rebuilding one breast alone—$30,500 versus $18,500.

Recent years have seen significant advances in breast reconstruction, leading more women to have double mastectomies. Doctors have developed techniques not simply for better implants, but also to rebuild a woman's breast using her own tissue taken from other parts of her body. These operations can take several hours for each side, but result in a more natural look and feel.

Still, even the most attractive outcome leads to lack of sensation and often scarring. While many women want to preserve their nipples, it isn't always possible because of the fear that the cancer could spread in the area.

Breast surgeons tend to be troubled by the trend toward double mastectomies. Dr. Michael Miller, chief of plastic surgery at the Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center in Columbus, says he doesn't hesitate to argue with women who don't have high risk factors yet opt to get both breasts removed. "I say, 'Why don't we simply remove your foot? It would make as much sense to remove your foot as to remove your breast. Either would contribute an equal amount to your survival.' " On the other hand, he says there is a genuine need for reconstruction among women whose cancer leaves them no choice but to have a mastectomy, and hospitals should offer it.

What's more, he adds, "It is very lucrative." In a June 2014 study that appeared in the Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery journal, Dr. Miller calculated that his hospital's net income from breast reconstruction surgeries grew by 7,264% from 2004 to 2012, from a very low base, while his team of plastic surgeons saw a 1,211% growth in professional net income.

While there is general consensus about the science, there are significant divisions about what doctors should do. Some want clearer guidelines that could limit the procedure and others even suggest that insurers should stop covering it except in high-risk cases. But others argue that they can't refuse a well-informed woman.

"We are no longer practicing medicine in a paternalistic fashion, and at the end of the day, it is the patient's decision," says Dr. Deanna Attai, president of the American Society of Breast Surgeons and a surgeon affiliated with UCLA Health.

Dr. Attai believes many double mastectomies are medically unnecessary—and indeed carry a heightened risk of serious complications—but thinks that since medicine can't guarantee cancer won't develop in the healthy breast, she is obligated to defer to the patient's wishes.

"The patriarchal allegation has moved 180 degrees," says Sloan Kettering oncologist Dr. Clifford Hudis. "It used to be, 'How dare you say my breast isn't important and make me lose a breast to mastectomy?' Now, decades later, the allegation is, 'Why do you care so much? It is my breast.' That is a humbling perspective."

It used to be, 'How dare you say my breast isn't important and make me lose a breast to mastectomy?' Now, decades later, the allegation is, 'Why do you care so much? It is my breast.' That is a humbling perspective.
—Dr. Clifford Hudis

For women, too, the new bedside manner may be disorienting as well as empowering. Jacqueline Lowey, of East Hampton, N.Y., says all the information can be hard to take in during the terrifying moment of a cancer diagnosis. In 2012, she was told she had a Stage 0, noninvasive cancer, along with traces of a second cancer marker. She says she was offered three options: a lumpectomy followed by radiation and the drug Tamoxifen; a single mastectomy of the affected breast; or a double mastectomy.

Doctors said that a lumpectomy would offer her the same chance of survival. But she says she was also told that the breast-sparing procedure might leave her vulnerable to a return of the disease. Thinking of her 7-year-old son and 10-year-old daughter, and unwilling to submit to radiation, Ms. Lowey asked for a double mastectomy.

"There is a lot of power given to patients, and it is overwhelming," she said. "You want someone to tell you what to do, but basically, they lay out options, give you odds, give you all the information, and you have to make the decision."

While some women express satisfaction with their choice, others say they didn't anticipate the profound ramifications of a double mastectomy. On a recent April morning, Lesa Ann, a nurse in rural Ohio, watched television news shows reporting that actress Rita Wilson had decided to have a double mastectomy. Ms. Ann was furious.

Ms. Ann had a double mastectomy after she was diagnosed in 2010 with cancer in one breast. "My feeling was, I had cancer, get rid of it. I didn't want to have that stress again."

My feeling was, I had cancer, get rid of it. I didn't want to have that stress again.
—Lesa Ann

But her stress increased. "The aftermath is unbelievable," she says. The doctors told her they were unable to do a reconstruction because her smoking habit made such a procedure too complicated. Now she feels disfigured, and has since coped with "a bad self-image, depression and no sex drive," she says.

The psychological pain has been so great that only now, five years later, is she able to come to grips with what happened. She believes that women don't fully understand the risks and that celebrity endorsements glamorize the procedure.

"You don't come out in your prom dress looking all happy and cheery," she says.

Ms. D'Agostino, the former Italian teacher, had her first mastectomy, to remove the ailing breast, in April. Even in the weeks leading up to the procedure, she was still wrestling over whether to have her other breast removed.

One evening, at a support group sponsored by SHARE, a Manhattan-based breast cancer organization that she especially values, Ms. D'Agostino asked a woman who had had a double mastectomy if she still had any sensation in her breast area.

"There is no feeling left at all," Susan Levin replied.

It was a sobering experience for Ms. D'Agostino, who was saddened at the prospect of losing a key aspect of her sexuality.

Ms. D'Agostino received conflicting medical advice. One breast surgeon suggested she could have a lumpectomy and preserve her breast. But the one she chose, and another she consulted, both argued for a mastectomy. None of the surgeons suggested a double mastectomy.

Chiara D'Agostino

Chiara D'Agostino PHOTO: ALLISON MICHAEL ORENSTEIN FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

Her surgeon, M. Michele Blackwood of Saint Barnabas Medical Center in Livingston, N.J., says that while she explains to women that removing a healthy breast doesn't boost survival rates, there are other reasons to support the decision. A woman can emerge from the procedure feeling good about her body, Dr. Blackwood said. "She swims and she runs and she goes to the gym and she gets undressed," she said.

After she had her mastectomy in April, Ms. D'Agostino received some promising news. The pathology on the removed breast showed chemotherapy had worked and there was no trace of cancer. Doctors decided that she wouldn't need radiation.

During the mastectomy, her plastic surgeon inserted an "expander," or temporary device to make room for a cosmetic implant. She has decided to wait until September to take the next step, removing the other healthy breast. After that, both will be reconstructed. She is determined to go ahead; while she waits, she is developing a blog about her experience, "Beauty Through the Beast."

She has no illusions: She knows that the next surgery won't improve her odds. She doubts that it will bring her peace of mind. It is about achieving "symmetry."

"Look, I am 43 and single," she said. "I want to feel attractive, and I want my breasts to match."

Write to Lucette Lagnado at lucette.lagnado@wsj.com

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  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited July 2015
    Thanks so much for posting the entire article, WW. I really appreciate that.
  • jessica749
    jessica749 Member Posts: 429
    edited July 2015

    The bias inherent in this article (or if you prefer, the author's/editor's 'point of view') is clear from the first paragraph. The woman in paragraph 1 implicitly "listens" to 'holistic healers' and 'massage therapists' but, as it states clearly in the next graf, she will not be listening to her doctor.SO OFFENSIVE!! Right from the get-go, women who choose CPM are cast as ditzy, ignoring 'science' etc.




  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited July 2015
    Exactly, Jessica.
  • granny72
    granny72 Member Posts: 29
    edited July 2015

    It's our bodies and our decisions. Thanks for posting. My double with no reconstruction was cheaper than a single with reconstruction. Play out is using double mastectomies in their unisex ads for underwear.

    http://www.people.com/article/play-out-ad-campaign-features-double-mastectomy-models

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited July 2015

    I agree that these are our bodies, our decisions, but...it's not unreasonable to think that some womenand doctors would not be comfortable with removing a healthy breast when there is little evidence to support prophylactic prevention (except where someone is known to be at risk). I can see it both ways and if I had been in a different position would have opted for a uni instead of a bi.

  • floaton
    floaton Member Posts: 181
    edited July 2015

    I'minterested in what exactly Dr Katz thinks I should be "focusing on" to stay alive. If he has a magic solution for how I can avoid recurrence, I'd love to hear it :/

    And, while I am a uni, I take issue with Dr Miller's argument that removing a second breast is the same as removing a foot. I'm done breastfeeding, but not done walking. Also, while it may not reduce rates of distant recurrence, if I'd opted for a bilateral, it would have saved me a mammogram, an ultrasound, 2 mris and 2 biopsies and associated stress - and I'm only a year and a half out. But then again I could have ended up with bilateral le. It's tough, and deserves discussion but I agree this article was biased.

  • labelle
    labelle Member Posts: 721
    edited July 2015

    I chose breast conserving surgery, but I appreciated the fact that it was my choice. I was also offered a umx or bmx if I preferred (recommended if I'd tested BRCA positive), told about plastic surgery options, etc. The point is I had a choice. This just sounds like insurance companies not wanting to pay and that is a slippery slope we don't want to go down-getting them to have to pay for plastic surgery for symmetry was hard enough. The insurance companies have always balked at paying for "unnecessary treatments" as defined by them. As women who have had BC, I think we need to retain the power to decide what is necessary treatment for each of us. Putting the ultimate decision in the hands of another would be a step backwards for patient care IMO. Should the doctor be able to force someone to have chemo or a BMX or whatever? I don't think so and conversely, I don't think our doctors or insurance companies should have the power to deny treatments known to be effective either even if they might think it is too much. They aren't the ones getting or not getting the treatment or procedure.The power to request and be granted, or to discard any treatments has to remain in the hands of the patient.

  • Warrior_Woman
    Warrior_Woman Member Posts: 1,274
    edited July 2015

    One need only look at my signature line to appreciate that a BMX was a medically wise decision for me. And yes, I do believe that sparing us anxiety is worth something. How many nights I did not sleep a wink since my diagnosis! And even if the decision is for cosmetic symmetry, we should not be left feeling unattractive to our own selves however we may define it.

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited March 2018

    Hi:

    I had synchronous bilateral disease, but before the second breast was diagnosed, I thought long and hard about CPM. I put my deflector shields up after the first couple paragraphs, but my head still exploded when I read the "foot" comment.

    Kayb: You are so right. I missed the inconsistency between anxiety for those with a benign result being a reason to limit screening, but anxiety being apparently of no concern to a woman with an actual diagnosis! Unless of course, you are the insurer, and poof the inconsistency is gone.

    Women do not make these decisions lightly. Within the best of their ability, they seek medical advice, and try to understand about the risk of second cancers and recurrence. They read about, and some have experienced firsthand, the limitations of screening (many are still diagnosed at later stages) and accuracy of interpretation (mis-diagnosis). They get second opinions, speak to other patients, get genetic testing, and are informed about the limitations of that. Some have already been through biopsy after biopsy over the years. They carefully weigh the risk/benefit from their personal perspective.

    If some do not fully understand the actual risk of a contralateral cancer (studies show some do not) or survival benefit, I'd say that physicians need to improve their communication. Which brings me to the "foot" comment. God forbid he has ever said this to a patient. I think he is trying to express his view that CPM doesn't improve survival, so as a risk reducing move, you might as well remove a foot (which wouldn't improve survival at all) instead of a breast. This ignores other subjective and medical factors. Patients are thinking that even if survival may not increase on a population level, on an individual level, they will personally avoid the time and expense of screening, biopsy, and possibly contraleral breast cancer (all of which are giant time and well-being sucks) before they die of whatever cause. Cutting off a foot doesn't really achieve the same result.

    BarredOwl



  • clarrn
    clarrn Member Posts: 557
    edited July 2015

    Grrr... this makes me so mad. Statistics don't really give me peace of mind when at 30 I had a .04% chance of it being cancer. So the 3% chance of it developing in the other breast if I was brca- wasn't that reassuring. Plus in Canada it took me a year to get BRCA testing done and I didn't want to wait for another surgery, and interrupt my career again best case scenario. And in the 2 years before I had seen two young moms die of breast cancer that had initially come back as new primaries in the 'healthy' breast on the palliative unit I worked on. They were both told it was unnecessary. My daughter was 2 when I was dx. Since then I know a 27 year old just dx with a new primary in the other breast. So even though I want to have another child and I won't be able to breastfeed, I would make the same choice every time. It was not uninformed or hastily made. And I 've saved the Healthcare system here a good 40 years of mammograms so my extra hour of OR time is definitely paid for. ;)

  • Warrior_Woman
    Warrior_Woman Member Posts: 1,274
    edited July 2015

    Where are all the women who are making these hasty, uninformed and regrettable decisions? I've yet to meet one.

  • SummerAngel
    SummerAngel Member Posts: 1,006
    edited July 2015

    Personally, I think that there are many women who are influenced by fear of what might happen in the future rather than looking at the facts. Do I blame them, though? Not a bit.

    I do wish that I had the choice to keep at least one of my breasts, but I didn't, and that's ok. I researched long and hard and got more than one professional opinion, and every single one said I should have a BMX. That was that.

  • Englishmummy
    Englishmummy Member Posts: 337
    edited July 2015


    I always get irked when people/articles sort of imply that because we are female, we are therefore irrational....ughh. The foot analogy was ridiculous in my opinion. I was offered a lumpectomy despite having bilateral BC (one lump each side) but I knew the second they said it was cancer, that for me, and I could and would only ever speak for me as it is such a personal decision, that BMX was the only way for ME. I would never advocate for anyone to do what I did, I would only relay my own personal experience. I differ from SummerAngel, I would not have kept either breast, even if the choice was there (which it was really, just not in my own mind). I am completely rational about my choices - I know myself. No one has a crystal ball but we still have to funtion in our lives, for the rest of our lives, as best we can and we deserve to - however we can...therefore, if mastectomy brings a small sense of well being to this nightmare, so be it. Period. No Judgement.

  • NineTwelve
    NineTwelve Member Posts: 569
    edited July 2015

    I'm glad the article at least mentioned what must be a big concern for many women: symmetry. Particularly for larger breasted women, it must cause some discomfort and back pain issues to have an unequal weight on back and shoulders.

    I don't know if it was a coincidence, but it was the female surgeon who said that there may be other reasons besides survival rates to get a BMX. It may also be about having some say in how our bodies look and feel after surgery.

    "A woman can emerge from the procedure feeling good about her body, Dr. Blackwood said. 'She swims and she runs and she goes to the gym and she gets undressed,' "

  • Englishmummy
    Englishmummy Member Posts: 337
    edited July 2015

    NineTwelve - my PS told me " lots of your choices have been taken away right now, but you DO have the choice of if/how/when you reconstruct. If you were my wife/mother/sister/daughter, I would recommend you use those choices to begin rebuilding, mentally - I'll take care of the physical rebuilding." I had no idea at the time what he was talking about, but 5 weeks out I think I am starting to get it. He also told me of studies that they have done regarding the psychology of mastectomy - good and bad. There is a lot to it, it is not as cut and dry as that Dr. Katz seems to think.

    Kayb - my BS told me that the numbers for bilateral BC online are way off; she thinks it is far less rare than people think around the 10%+ mark. Yes, judging from postings I have read on here, there are many Dr.'s that communicate in an inappropriate or poor manner leaving patients bewildered and more afraid. That is definitely something to shout about as opposed to what someone 'chooses' to do with their body when they are diagnosed with a potentially life threatening illness.

    I second the wrong side of statistics point of view too, my life time risk was 11.7%, and for this year it was 0.6%....I had no risk factors (other than being female) or family history .....now when they say "oh, there's only 2% chance of that." I cringe.

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited July 2015

    "Where are all the women who are making these hasty, uninformed and regrettable decisions? I've yet to meet one."

    Me. I was young, stupid, uninformed. I would have (did) accept anything they told me at the time. Now I know better. Unfortunately, with hard lessons learned, doctors know very little about cancer, but like to give the impression they know it all by regurgitating what "studies show". Had I known then what I know now, I'd have cut those things off in a heartbeat, even without a genetic predisposition, before getting a cancer diagnosis (just like Angelina)....and Dr. Offit's rationale can....well, he can kiss my butt. Easy for him to say. The "Angelina effect". What a moron.

  • SummerAngel
    SummerAngel Member Posts: 1,006
    edited July 2015

    Kay has a very good point in that uninformed decisions mean that women aren't being properly educated by their doctors in the first place. I really think that could be the case. For those of us on this board, I think that just the fact that we are here, reading and posting, means that we are people who tend to want to educate ourselves. From what I've read, though, there are large numbers of women who can't tell you what grade or stage of BC they had. When I was first diagnosed I spoke to my half-brother on the phone about it. His mother was in the room (we have the same father). He asked her what stage her cancer was and her response was, "3, I think. Maybe 2." She had no idea. She did what her doctor recommended for treatment and never questioned anything.

    As far as wanting to keep my breast(s) if at all possible, I made that decision before I even knew what kind of BC I had. I knew that lumpectomy plus radiation is just as effective as mastectomy and my breasts were always a big part of my enjoyment in a sexual setting. (Plus, I always liked the way they looked!) I was only 45 at diagnosis. I knew that mastectomy surgery is an amputation and major surgery with higher risks of complications. It logically made sense to me to choose lumpectomy if possible. To this day I don't understand why some choose a PBMX, but I do not fault them for their choice.

  • Englishmummy
    Englishmummy Member Posts: 337
    edited July 2015


    Me too, Leggo - I'd have finished breast feeding my 3rd and just done what I ended up having to do anyway.

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited July 2015

    I also had bilateral cancer and no choice about surgery. Bilateral offered better symmetry options, though I'd rather have kept one or more of my original breasts.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited July 2015

    I agree that some women go right to the OR without understanding their situation, like you said, SummerAngel. They are afraid and they don't want to do any research. They assume the doctor knows best. I figured out pretty early in this process that some doctors are better than others. Even the first BS I went to who was highly recommended, IMO, was not the right fit for me. He recommended a LX and rads because their imaging said I had a 2.9 cm tumor. Given my small size B cup, existing 30 year old implants and ILC diagnosis, I felt a BMX was the right choice so I sought out second opinions. The second BS ordered more imaging, which at the time I didn't see the point of. She found more cancer in the same breast (4.9 cm worth total) and the RO said absolutely if it was her, she would have the MX. To add further complication, although they have not found any cancer in my other breast, I feel pains sometimes so who knows. The first two BS's I went to completely disregarded my questions and concerns about ILC. Ultimately the only BS who bothered to discuss ILC with me was the I chose.

  • magiclight
    magiclight Member Posts: 8,690
    edited July 2015

    I thought the article was informative about the current state of both the science of breast cancer (how far have we really come) and the changing human experiences of women having to make decisions about their health when they are diagnosed with BC. It is unusual for the WSJ to highlight how lucrative breast cancer treatment has become for the hospital, PS, BS, MO, RO etc while questioning the motives of women's decisions.

    If the diagnostics and treatment options were better then this article might have taken a different stance. For me, I chose BMX because I had BC in both breasts prior to surgery then learned after the path report came back from surgery that the pre-surgical MRI guided biopsy of my R breast removed all the tiny tumor leaving my R breast cancer free when I entered surgery. Again, the diagnostics need improving so I and others can make truly informed decisions.

  • rozem
    rozem Member Posts: 1,375
    edited July 2015

    this is an on debate that seems to get more press coverage and attention when stars like Jolie and Wilson are in the spotlight

    When I was diagnosed at 42 with zero family history and risk factors I remember my family doctor telling me I was bascially nuts for choosing a bmx. Even though i was young, had a very aggressive cancer and had had issues with "growths" in the bad breast ( tumor grew back in the exact same spot as the fibroadenoma they removed in my late 20s). Ironically when she was diagnosed 5 MONTHS after me guess what surgery she choose? She said she did it to avoid radsbut she also removed a healthy breast

    To all those medical experts I say until you walk a mile in cancer land you have no right make any judgements

  • jessica749
    jessica749 Member Posts: 429
    edited July 2015

    hear hear !!!! or is it "here here"!

  • clarrn
    clarrn Member Posts: 557
    edited July 2015

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC289402...

    'In addition, women under age 36 treated for early-stage breast cancer have been observed to have a 13% 10-year cumulative incidence of contralateral breast cancer.'

    So um yeah.... I chose a BMX and it was an INFORMED RATIONAL choice. GRR


  • SummerSun
    SummerSun Member Posts: 91
    edited July 2015

    I couldn't agree with you more Rozem!! Each of us, when faced with the dx, have to make and live with our own decision. My decision was right for me. I would never question another woman's decision. I would give her unconditional support!!

  • neverthought
    neverthought Member Posts: 90
    edited July 2015

    I gotta say, after comparing my medical bills for surgery vs chemo, that there is probably a economic interest in women getting chemo, radiation and surveillance for life rather than a double mastectomy. My surgeon charged less than $3000 for mastectomy surgery and pre/post surgery office visits. I think my insurer ended up paying her $1800. Just one shot of Neulasta was more than 3 times that amount. I couldn't believe how much the oncologist, infusion center, radiologist, pathologist charged compared to my surgeon.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited July 2015

    never...I must respectfully and most humbly disagree with you. That said, there might be some rogue, ethically challenged physicians, but I do not believe that for most physicians, a treatment decision would be based on how much profit can be made....

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited July 2015

    IMHO, I'm glad to see these types of articles written. If it enlightened just one patient, then it is worth the paper (or screen) that it is written on. I don't see what the commotion is about. Is there a problem with reporting the facts? Or is the issue with the tone of how the facts are reported? The issue being reported is that that there is an uptick in the number of bilateral mastectomies. Should concerns among the medical establishment be silenced? Should those who chose BMX for whatever reason be defensive? IMHO...no and no.

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited July 2015

    Voracious: I totally agree with you. The decision is a very personal one and everyone's decision is their own, however, I would still want to know facts and new information even if it flew in the face of my decision. These reports are not personal attacks on those who had differing procedures. I like that the medical field questions itself and patterns that are being taken for granted rather than supported by data and facts. We can never remove the possibility of a recurrence, no matter what actions or surgeries we undergo, and every treatment has an added risk and side effect. I believe that all women consider these decisions carefully and as we all accept differing risks very differently, we will continue to have variations in treatment. It does concern me though when patterns develop based on geography rather than on individuality. Canada has far less bilateral mastectomies than the States. So it is definitely not about the money. Then what is it actually about? I think there is a lot more to this issue and it should be explored. I for one am very glad that it is being looked at.

  • floaton
    floaton Member Posts: 181
    edited July 2015

    I think discussion and sharing of information and facts is vital. But I also think word choice and tone matter. I just wonder if the author would have used words like "defiance" and "rebellion" - two words I think of more associated with adolescents than adults, if she were talking about men rather than women.

    If a surgeon really truly believes a procedure is inappropriate and will do more harm than good, they are under no obligation to perform that procedure, so it's a little disingenuous, I think, to blame the patients for a concerning trend. Maybe if they were more up front with the real side effects and complications that can occur with each option then some people would make different choices. Sometimes, informed consent should be a little more information and a little less ass-covering.

    I think as the science catches up to being able to really effectively detect and treat new early disease, and can accurately predict (both local and distal) recurrence, the choices will become clearer. For now, in the absence of real clear prognostic information, so much of it all just feels like a gamble.

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