DIEP 2015

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  • Sugar8
    Sugar8 Member Posts: 47
    edited July 2015

    Tallylassie. thank you soooooo much for the photo. Your reconstruction looks really beautifully done. I am having silicone implant removal and left breast diep reconstruction also a right mastectomy diep reconstruction hopefully sooner than later (on waiting list) and your photos and helpful words have been very encouraging.

    It makes the journey so much easier when experiences are shared. Thanking everyone in this DIEP 2015 thread.


  • trying2staypositive7
    trying2staypositive7 Member Posts: 96
    edited July 2015

    Thank you guys so much for your well wishes and prayers and great thoughts!! I did it!!! I had my surgery four days ago and I'm not going to lie...it was more than I expected but I am so happy with the end product! I wouldn't have known what to expect without all of your posts. Thanks so much! I just came home today and I'm sore as anything but I'm beyond thrilled to be home. I'm walking little steps day by day which totally has made feel better! So, for those of you who haven't done it yet,, go ahead and take the plunge (it's so worth it). Have a great day!

  • TallyLassie
    TallyLassie Member Posts: 56
    edited July 2015

    Trying 2Stay: Congratulations on making it through the surgery! I think the anticipation is as hard as actually facing it and going through with it. I hope your healing is fast and uneventful.

    Sugar8: I so appreciate your note. It is scary to put a picture up on the internet, even though you can't see my face and this is a secure site, but I wanted to help others out. I didn't often see results from unilaterial dieps, and thought it would be of interest. I had strongly considered doing both but glad I kept the natural one. As with many here, I scrolled through the message boards many times prior to my surgery looking for others' experiences and it helped me so much. Nice to know I can help others out with my experience.

    ssteacher: I exercised through the whole experience to the extent I could (chemo included) and I think it helped me with side effects and recovery. I had mild osteoporosis prior to my diagnosis, broke a rib doing yoga(!) during chemo so I dialed back on the upper body for a few weeks while it healed. I had a bone scan last September prior to diagnosis and just got the results of my post-chemo bone scan which shows "significant decline" of my bone health from the chemo. My doctor is talking about using twice annual shots of Prolia to reduce bone loss. But he also said to continue taking calcium and do weight bearing exercises, and walking is one of them. However, it was about 3 weeks after surgery before I could start walking seriously again.

    I believe that yoga is very helpful in maintaining balance and reducing falls, which is a problem if you have weak bones. I started doing some easy yoga moves 7 weeks after surgery. There is a great book called Yoga for Cancer by Tari Prinster (2014) that I got from my local library. It has wonderful easy to follow illustrations to target specific side effects like lymphedema, bone loss, weight gain, constipation, etc. We also have a couple of studios in my town that provide free yoga classes for cancer survivors. These are very gentle low impact classes that I highly recommend. Now 3+ months out from surgery I'm doing abdominal exercises slowly and working the core in general. Thank goodness they didn't take any muscle in my abdomen.

    Thanks to everyone here for sharing your experiences!

  • ssteacher
    ssteacher Member Posts: 22
    edited July 2015

    Thanks for the info Tallylassie! I am going to get the Yoga for cancer book.So glad to hear that you are doing better. I think you are right exercise helps!

  • trying2staypositive7
    trying2staypositive7 Member Posts: 96
    edited July 2015


    Thanks Tallylassie!Smile

  • slv58
    slv58 Member Posts: 1,216
    edited July 2015

    I havnt seen it mentioned here but probably missed it- does anyone else have hairy (light) crop circles? Mine have a covering of fine hair and although light in colour, it's pretty noticeable. I'm wondering if maybe it would disappear after tattooing? How are you handling it?

  • mefromcc
    mefromcc Member Posts: 188
    edited July 2015

    Yep, I have downy hair on my transplanted abdominal skin on my foobs. My husband and I laugh about it and play with the hairs together 😉. They can be lasered out if you want.

  • Morwenna
    Morwenna Member Posts: 1,063
    edited July 2015

    Yep.

    I guess tummy skin is hairier than breast skin normally! :o

    Most of mine is the fair downy sort. I don't know whether it is likely to get any less with time, but I have also heard you can get it lasered if it bothers you.

    I pulled out a darker coarser hair, definitely pube-type this morning from the side of my left flap. I expect this is more common if you have the larger, "football-shaped" flaps that result if you are having a delayed flap with no skin-sparing at mastectomy.

    Ho-hum. Still pleased with results overall though :)

  • lynn85
    lynn85 Member Posts: 16
    edited July 2015

    Trying2stay... Glad you made it through everything well! I haven't seen anything on the other surgeries from last week

    I had my bmx and reconstruction surgery on June 29. I was supposed to get 1 Diep and 1 muscle sparing tram. But ended up with 2 muscle sparing trams. Ps said they tied off the vessels for an hour and the started to lose them, so they changed the plan. On the bright side I'm glad I didn't have a failed flap. I'm bummed with the loss of muscle but was told it was minimal.

    Total surgery time was 12 hours and I was in the hospital 5 nights. Day 2 was pretty much a snooze fest I didn't even eat anything Day 3 I got up and sat in a chair and walked laps around the nurses station Day 4 I got my period. How unfair is that???? That really did me in with cramps and just the extra movement involved in 'dealing with it'.

    I left the hospital on Saturday to stay with friends in Houston and have had up and down days. I haven't had any major set backs or complications but it just generally has been really hard on my body I think the thing surprising me the most is the tightness everywhere It can be overwhelming at times.

    Yesterday I actually did about an hours worth of work but it exhausted me. And my first attempt at a shower was a major fail I could barely stand sitting in the shower chair so ended up standing and leaning on it for a quick rinse

    I can already tell a lot of patience is going to be require for this recovery!!!!

  • slv58
    slv58 Member Posts: 1,216
    edited July 2015

    Lynn85, happy to hear your on the recovery side!i think if you can get somewhat comfortable to sleep, you're halfway there! I was surprised that I couldn't bend over to pick things up (not sure why I never thought of that) but found one month post op was a big milestone for me. I was able to sleep gently on my side and that helped a lot. Things just seemed to heal a lot quicker after that. Do your exercises- I put green tape on my doorframe and marked how high I could reach my arm- it was motivating to see I was actually improving, especially on days I felt little progress. 

  • Bogie
    Bogie Member Posts: 286
    edited July 2015

    Hello Team DIEP!

    I completed my DIEP flap surgery and have to say it was not as bad as I thought, no worse than the mastectomy. The first week with drains and showers was probably the hardest part, no pain at all.


    I only had two issues, my back hurt a lot after surgery. I am 4 weeks post op now and it probably just aggravated the old ruptured disc. Going to physical therapy and getting better slowly. I also have my Under breast incision that seems to not have closed. Has anyone experienced this

  • hartrish
    hartrish Member Posts: 380
    edited July 2015

    bogie. My back pain got better around week 4 and 5. Once I was able to walk upright it got better. I ended up with a small incision wound and breastwound that wouldn't heal. Finally asked for wound specialist and put wound vac on for 3 weeks. The wounds are almost closed now. If your wound doesn't heal in a timely manner you might want to ask for a wound specialist referral. I wish I had requested sooner.

  • trying2staypositive7
    trying2staypositive7 Member Posts: 96
    edited July 2015

    Lynn85... I'm so glad that you made it through to the other side! I'm sorry about you getting your period right after! That's just cruel and unusual punishment! You are so right about the healing taking time and patience. Yesterday I thought that I was Superwoman and did too much. Well, I paid for it today! I had to take 2 naps like I was a toddler! LOL! I'm still happy that I did the surgery but it definitely is a life changing event. Hope that you continue to heal nicely! Sending all gentle hugs

  • 4Kiddos
    4Kiddos Member Posts: 2
    edited July 2015

    Anyone have unilateral DIEP after capuslar contracture/failed silicone implant? I am new to this site and thread. I'm not even sure if I am posting correctly. I had bilateral mastectomies 2/2013, TE then silicone implant exchange. I had a revision last year due to capsular contracture of the L side related to radiation. Unfortunately it has contracted again and tighter than the last time. I am faced with either another revision or a unilateral DIEP (open appy scar makes the belly only suitable for one foob and the R, nonradiation side, is not problematic). I have been leaning towards DIEP, had the CT to check for viable vessels and see my PS again next week. If I go ahead with the DIEP it will likely be in September. I am 36 with 4 insanely active kids (ages 12-3). The recovery terrifies me. I do have a lot of family/friend support, but I'm so tired of depending on them. The recovery after the exchange and the revision were no trouble at all. Then my stepmom tells me the horrible recovery her friend had, she couldn't stand straight for over a year, etc.

    How was the recovery for you? I work too (mostly desk job), PS says minimum of 4 weeks off work, How long did you have to take off work? Anyone had DIEP after radiation? Was it successful? DId it match well to the other boob/foob? What questions am I not asking?

    Thanks in advance for any input/insight.

  • trying2staypositive7
    trying2staypositive7 Member Posts: 96
    edited July 2015

    Hi 4Kiddos!

    I'm sure that someone will come along that has a better answer for you but I'll just give you my thoughts. I had radiation also so I had to do the DIEP (according to my plastic surgeon). I just had the surgery Monday before last (June 29th). Before you make any decisions, read through this entire thread (it'll give you some insight on what to expect). Everyone heals differently and at their own pace. I know that I was terrified going into it but it turned out to not be that bad. I'm almost two weeks out and I'm walking almost normally. I teach so I have the whole summer off to recover. I think that 4 - 6 weeks (probably more towards the 6 weeks) is a reasonable time to be off of work. The main thing is that you are going to be tired. Even the smallest thing like running to the store for milk or orange juice or whatever wipes me out. From what I've read, you get your stamina back. But, with four kids I'm sure that you're good at juggling sleep!!!!Anyway, whatever decision you make is the right the one for you. Hope that someone comes along with a better answer!

  • 4Kiddos
    4Kiddos Member Posts: 2
    edited July 2015

    thank you, trying2stay, for your response. I have been reading through the posts and they seem very encouraging. The surgeon's nurse told me to not expect my energy back for 4 weeks. Such a long time in the short run but hopefully will eliminate more revisions, so not so long in the long run.

  • Bogie
    Bogie Member Posts: 286
    edited July 2015

    Kiddos I went through a similar scenario with capsular contracture, ex panders and all that failed, what a waste of time! Don't let your Moms story scare you on the diep procedure. The key with this microvascular surgery is having a very good surgeon. I got tired of local PS throwing me back into surgery every month for failed something. Then they told me I was not a candidate for diep procedure cause they are not good at it. What they should have done is referred out to who is good. I was determined so spent the next three years researching and found my gold at the end of the rainbow. I am 4 weeks post op from the center for restorative breast surgery in New Orleans, or called Nola. Everything ran smooth as silk. First week is a pain with drains and every week after gets better. It's worth flying out of state and leave the kids at home for a week with someone. It's the best decision I ever made and I'm finally done with all this nonsense. They gave me back what cancer took away!

    It's a great surgery, you should consider it with the right surgeon.



  • spookisgirl
    spookisgirl Member Posts: 96
    edited July 2015

    I have a date now, 26 November.

    The scheduling for this is so weird. I have a date and pretty much at this point I am just expected to show up the morning of the surgery and go from there. The only required pre-surgery appointment is with my GP to get basic height, weight, meds and prescribe pain meds. I wasn't comfortable with the idea so I scheduled another appointment with the PS for 3 weeks before. I will probably schedule one with Surgical oncologist as well.

    I can't believe for a surgery this big it is basically, buy a binder for after surgery, read a pdf about sponges and drains and see you in November!

    Anyone else have an experience like that?

    Jenn

  • SA8PG
    SA8PG Member Posts: 371
    edited July 2015

    Hi Ladies,

    Quick question: would you go to prma in San Antonio or travel to New Orleans for the Diep?

    The reason I ask is that I had a nipple sparing bmx in Dec 2014 with expanders placed. I only made it 3 weeks before a nasty infection (mycobacterium) ended up taking both expanders leaving me flat and 4 more surgeries to cut out these infected nodules of skin. I am just now ending my antibiotic treatment after 6 long months. My only option is Diep now but I am a bit gun shy to have more surgeries. We are looking at December or maybe next January or February for surgery date.

    Recovery time for this? Being able to bend over? Etc? Do you have a lot of pain etc? I have 8 children under the age of 12, so the thought of not being able to care for them for weeks is a concern.

    Thank you all for your wisdom. 😊

    G

  • Brandi999
    Brandi999 Member Posts: 143
    edited July 2015

    Hey everyone... I've been MIA for a while now. My surgery is healing very well... My boobies look amazing. I will need a revision done on my left abdomen but it's not super noticeable except to me, I think. I joined a gym and was doing some swimming but I've had some shoulder issues that have been plaguing me since the beginning of January and I've been recently diagnosed with Frozen Shoulder. So much for working out. It's worse than doing chemo. Last night I barely moved my wrist and got pain in my shoulder that made me scream out loud. From what I'm seeing it can take a few YEARS to recover from it. UGH!!

  • SA8PG
    SA8PG Member Posts: 371
    edited July 2015

    Brandi

    I'm sorry about the frozen shoulder. What do they say you can do to help it???? :(

    When did you have your Diep? So happy to hear you love your results. Are you doing nipples?

  • Brandi999
    Brandi999 Member Posts: 143
    edited July 2015

    No nipples for me. I figured that since my milk ducts were growing cancer, I'd be better off without the thing attached to them and I can wear a tank top in the cold and not poke anyone's eye out! ;-)

    As far as the frozen shoulder goes, there isn't much you can do about it except wait and it can take up to a few years to go away. It "freezes" over a period of time where you lose mobility and it's horrifically painful and then the "frozen" stage where it plateaus for a while and then "thawing" where the pain starts to ebb and you just have limited movement that slowly releases. I'm 8 months in and still getting worse.

  • jbdayton
    jbdayton Member Posts: 700
    edited July 2015

    SA8PG - I would be very comfortable going to PRMA or NOLA.

    If you are not 100% comfortable with a local PS then look elsewhere. Where in Texas do you live? Houston, Austin and Dallas have several very reputable PS specializing in DIEP and other flap surgeries.

    Several of the big centers have more options as to how much additional work you want done cosmetically. Remember insurance will not cover truly cosmetic procedures.

    With 8 kids that young you will need more help than you did while recovering from your BMX. If you travel out of town for surgery you will be in the hospital for about 5 days and up to another week in a hotel before returning home as long as you have no complications.

    Healing takes time. Some need several weeks to be able to stand upright. It will depend on how tight they pull your belly skin. I was upright in 10 days but I did fairly small flaps and I am long waisted naturally. A friend of mine took 5 weeks though. Pain will depend again on how tight you are pulled, your tolerance level and how well you react to pain killers. I only took Hydrocodone for 3 days after I got home and then nothing else. I also only used about 30% of my pain pump in the hospital. I was on lifting restrictions of no more than 10 lbs for at least 6 weeks and elbows no higher than shoulder height. I had more restrictions because I had my pectoral muscle moved from on top of my flap back to my chest wall in surgery #5. My case was special this is not the norm, the flap is usually placed on top of the pec muscle but I was in expanders for months between BMX and DIEP and during the surgery I only had veins good enough for one breast so my radiated breast was fixed and theTE for my prophylactic side was left for a future implant. PS made the wrong guess because I would not do an implant so he did do another flap but put it under the muscle to stay symmetrical. After 2 fat graftings I insisted the muscles be moved back to the chest wall. Feel great now.

    I did have several complications so I had 2 different flap surgeries followed by 3 fat grafting surgeries so far. I have another in September and hoping that will get me to a feasible symmetry and finish with nipples in December. I definitely know how hard it is to do more surgeries but when you finally see improvements instead of only corrections you will get excited.

    Good luck in making your plans.

  • CatsRus
    CatsRus Member Posts: 310
    edited July 2015

    Brandi, I have had a frozen shoulder. I was referred to a physiotherapist and she was wonderful. She even did some acupuncture on me. It still took a while but it was months rather than years. Good luck and I hope the shoulder improves soon.
  • Lilyn
    Lilyn Member Posts: 282
    edited July 2015

    Hi Jenn I will be doing DIEP in Toronto in fall dont have date yet. Any surgery done in Toronto hospitals you do see your family doctor for a pre-op but the hospital does another extensive preop prior to your surgery. I have only met with the DIEP surgeon once but am sure will be seeing her again prior to surgery. Check with the surgeons office about the hospital pre-op appt.

  • slv58
    slv58 Member Posts: 1,216
    edited July 2015

    I had my surgery in Toronto as well but only had a pre op at the hospital the day before surgery. They were rushing my case but the first time I had lumpectomy I had my pre op at hospital the week before surgery. My primary physician wasn't involved at all for me.

  • WalleGator
    WalleGator Member Posts: 102
    edited July 2015

    CatsRus and Brandi999 thanks for the shoulder info. I had my DIEP in March and both my shoulders have limited movement, and something so simple as pulling the car door shut can cause awful pain. I see my DIEP surgeon in 2 weeks and that will be my main topic of conversation! CatsRus did they give you any shoulder exercises to do at home or did you see someone each week (or however often)?

    Recovering from the DIEP has been great - once those dang drains are removed - but this shoulder pain is slowing me down!

  • CatsRus
    CatsRus Member Posts: 310
    edited July 2015

    Wallegator, I saw the physiotherapist weekly. I had maybe 10 sessions with her, i think. She did give me exercises to do during treatment and at home mostly using an elasticated band but a couple with a broom handle. Plus walking the hands up the wall, etc. As well as exercise, she did quite a bit of hands on manipulation of my arm/shoulder plus the acupuncture. Oh and the Tens machine. I must admit I was sceptical of the acupuncture but I actually felt it helped. I had had problems with my other shoulder a few years earlier than this. The physio I saw then, at a swanky place and who charged a fortune, was useless. He'd see how my range of motion was, then stick a Tens machine on me for a while, then have me do exercises without observing me and that was about it. I gave up on him and just did the exercises as best I could. It took a long time for that shoulder to be back to normal. Though I think it was worse to begin with than the second time I had the issue.
    Hope I don't have similar issues in the future, my great physiotherapist got married and moved to Texas, I believe.
    Good luck.
  • helplesslyhoping
    helplesslyhoping Member Posts: 39
    edited July 2015

    Hey, ladies! I am seriously considering a DIEP and am wondering when you first made your initial consult with your surgeon. Did you wait til after radiation? Or should I be more proactive and have a consult after mastectomy but before rads? It seems like such a simple question but I have no idea! Thanks!

  • Scarlett152
    Scarlett152 Member Posts: 175
    edited July 2015

    get a consult as soon as possible, so you know all your options. I'd recommend two consults. Good luck.

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