Cancer in scar after double mastectomy; what now?
This is my first post. What an amazing resource this is.
Have any of you been in this situation? I had a double mastectomy for high grade DCIS in 2013. Thought that was the end of it. But I just had some nodules on my scar biopsied and I had a call from the doctor saying that it is cancer.
What can I expect now? Can I go straight for surgery again, or will there have to be tests to see if it has gone anywhere else? Has anybody been in this situation? I have not seen the pathology report and won't get to see my doctor until Tuesday. (I'm in Canada, by the way.)
Before my surgery last time, I had to have an X-Ray of my chest, plus an ultrasound of my other breast, then an MRI of both breasts. I waited a long time for surgery (about 11 weeks, I think) and I don't want to go through that again! It was nerve-wracking.
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Hi Aetna, welcome and sorry you find yourself here. This is a great place for information, support or to vent.
I just had a recurrence but was found under my lumpectomy scar. I went in complaining of a new internal lump/ thickening which seemed new. I had 8 mammograms, ultrasound and unscheduled biopsy. Appointments were scheduled over the next 3 weeks including pelvis/hip x Rays (I had severe pain in hip as well) CT of pelvis, abdomen, chest. Bone scan whole body and MRI of both breasts and brain MRI. Apparently this is a metastatic work up at my hospital. I'm in a Canada as well. Another week and I got the news that it was back. No choice but mastectomy and I was a good candidate for immediate diep. 43 days later and I've started chemo. I realize my circumstance is different but it may give you a timeline of what I went through.
I would tell your Dr. How anxious your feeling and that you would like to see things moving quickly, but you know that things in our country sometimes takes a bit of time to co ordinate. I hope this helps a bit, just wanted to reach outside to you, I know how nerve wrecking this is. {{{hugs}}}
Shar
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Thank you, Shar. That is exactly the kind of information that I was looking for. I will prepare for a bit of a wait, then. I guess that means chocolate. :-)
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Hi Etna, We too are sorry you have landed here. Indeed, as Shar mentions, it can depend on country, and even city/town/village how swiftly things will proceed. We hope for you to have quick answers, and treatments to get you quickly past this.
We are glad you found our community.
The Mods
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Hi Etna! I too had high grade DCIS in 2011. Had a mastectomy on the right side with a skin and nipple sparing mastectomy w/implants following in 2012. In Feb 2015 I felt a large marble sized growth, thought it was a piece of the implant so called my PS. I was pretty naïve and just didn't think it could happen. The PS scheduled to take it out and biopsy but in the meantime I got worried since he wasn't sure what it was. Called my BS who got me in right away. She is normally very optimistic but this time said she didn't like the looks of it and took some cells right in her office. Got the call a few days later that it was cancer. Had it removed on 2/23 and started chemo on 3/17. Prior to chemo she had me get a bilateral mri. The other side hasn't changed so nothing to do there. The pathology report showed all 3's which I guess isn't good, triple positive but mostly HER 2. I'm getting Taxatere, Carboplatin, Perjeta and Herceptin every three wks for six rounds. Half way mark is this Tues. I can empathize with you though. It was so hard to believe I was one of the less than 1% with a recurrence after mastectomy. I just feel fortunate I found it when I did. I wouldn't have started treatment for at least another six months had I waited for my yearly exam. Hopefully yours was caught very early. Sounds like it since you had DCIS in 2013. Keep me posted and feel free to PM me if you need some extra support.
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Hi, Etna. I am also one who recurred after double mastectomy. I didn't have DCIS, but I did have a low oncotype. Go figure, but I guess someone has to land in that low percent bucket. I am in the US but I don't think protocol will differ, although timing might. Mine was immediately ultrasounded and that didn't look good so I had a biopsy right there. Probably within a week I did an MRI and a bone scan to check for mets. . Those were clear. Next was lumpectomy with another sentinel node mapping and one node taken out. That was also negative. They recommended chemo and radiation both for me. I'm sorry you are in the same boat.
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Thank you for sharing your stories, DavisD and TwoHobbies. I'm very surprised that there could be a return of cancer after a mastectomy for DCIS, even high grade DCIS, or a low oncotype tumour. I was discharged by the oncologist two months after my surgery and haven't even had a checkup since. I haven't had a flicker of worry about recurrence this whole time because -- I guess I'm just uninformed.
Thank you for sharing your stories. I'll take this seriously and try to get through the process as quickly as possible. Sometimes things go quickly here, but sometimes they move like molasses. TwoHobbies, your workup was very fast. I'm impressed.
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Hi Etna,
Sorry you find yourself with another BC, especially after a DCIS for which you had mastectomy!!
Just curious if the doctor said it was a recurrence or if it is a brand new breast cancer? Often times it is another cancer and not your original one coming back so that is why I was wondering. Either way, I wish you the best!
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HI Etna, it seems likely that they'll do some form of imaging to rule out mets. Not sure what that would be in Canada. In Boston it would be a PET/CT, but could simply be a CT and a bone scan.They'll take it out and likely offer chemo or at least hormonal therapy.
So sorry this happened, but welcome to the site.
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I found a lump almost 5 years after my bilateral mastectomy. It was on the scar line and I found it in the shower approximately 3 weeks after having had a thorough exam at my MOs office. It was approximately the size of a small marble. He is no longer my oncologist.
They did an ultrasound and a needle core biopsy on the lump. There was no doubt in their minds what it was. Surgery was performed and the lump (plus two others that were found at the time of surgery) were removed. Then a horrific course of Radiation followed. To me, that was worse than chemo. I unfortunately had many side effects which I am still dealing with.
Unfortunately for me, I also found out that I now have mets in my bones.
It is my own personal opinion that this happens much more then what medical literature says it does. YMMV, of course.
JJ
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Jean, I am so sorry. I know how rough radiation was on you and I am truly sorry.
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Thanks nomatterwhat. I ended up in the hospital with Pneumonia and Radiation Pneumonitis and I was out of work for over a week and I have been just miserable for over a month now. Not being able to breathe is a very scary thing.
The good news is that the PET scan I had last week shows me as stable where the mets are concerned. Yay!
Even better is it's only 15 days until I get to go on an Alaskan cruise!
JJ
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what is YMMV? I also was in the very low % expected to have recurrence...oh well I guess some of us need to add to the statistics
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YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary
JJ
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Etna, I also had a recurrence after BMX. I had a small, node negative low oncotype tumor and also had chemo due to my age. Recurred 18 months later. I had surgical excision, am doign chemo and will do rads. Do you have a plan yet?
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I just discovered and joined this incredible discussion- I wish I knew about this organization when I was dx'ed in 2009.
Like many of you, I had a small, low oncotype score tumor. I had a BMX, and took Tamoxifen for 6 years and thought that I was done. I noticed a small lump a year ago, had a needle biopsy and MRI -- I was told that it was just scar tissue. A year later, I had that 'harmless' lump biopsied again, and now the DX is IDC, and it has spread to my chest muscle. I am going to have another excision next week because the margins were not clean. Then possibly chemo because I had rads for a previous illness over 20 years ago (Hodgkin's Disease). I am usually very calm, but this has floored me. How do you get through this?
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Jamie so sorry and certainly I know how you feel. You get through it like you did the first time. Put one foot in front of the other and just do it because you have to. it sucks to be in this situation when you thought you were done. I was mad I was scared I was depressed That was two years ago and you will get through
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When at my last RO visit, he told me to check the scar monthly. "If it comes back, this is where it will be" so far, so good.
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Thanks TwoHobbies for responding so quickly. You summed it up well -- Scared and angry and depressed. Maybe things will seem better after the shock wears off. But I feel pretty awful right now.
I am also scared of chemo. I didn't have chemo the first time around due to my low oncotype score and tumor size. But, I am pretty sure that I will have to do chemo this time. I am seeing my MO tomorrow morning and hoping to have a treatment plan soon.
Thanks again for your help.
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Jamie, I am sorry you are going through this again. I am on round 2 as well. You are also like me in that both of us were PR+ the first time and PR- the second time. My MO assured me that the PR did not matter, but after days up on days of research and digging deep, I found a few studies that indicated in recurrences, when PR is lost (positive the first time and negative the second time), it can indicate an aggressive cancer. The study did show that it tends to respond very well to chemo. My MO initially was not thinking chemo, but then I asked for an oncotype, which revealed my suspicions to be true...it was very aggressive. I am finished with AC and halfway through Taxol. I have had an easy time on chemo. I think of it as my ally against the common enemy of cancer. Chemo is not fun, but it is very doable. I walk 3-7 miles every day, have not missed any of my kids' events, and am working part time. I feel really good. You can do it, and with PR loss, you definitely should! Once you have a start date, hop onto the chemo boards. My April gang is awesome! I hope you have your treatment plan in place.
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I'm so sorry you are going through this. It's also making me wonder or more question my own situation. I had IDC but my when my tumour was removed they found DCIS on one side. My BS and MO said the margin wasn't oriented and they presumed that it was the side touching my tumour and they couldn't go any deeper as it was on my chest wall. My RO disagreed and my case was discussed and they decided no further surgery was needed. Now in hindsight I'm questioning it all as I was built up to believe that oh glorious...I had the good kind of BC, early stage, low grade and low oncotype but I now know there is no "good" kind. I bloody hate what this BC does to ours bodies but also what it does to our minds is just as bad
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Jamie I also did not have chemo the first time. I so hoped that they would say since I'm so ER+ that they would just switch me to another hormone medication, but alas the team got together and all recommended I do chemo. I also recommend going to the chemo boards once you get a start date and find the group starting the same month. Kbeee and I met over there and I met a lot of other great ladies who definitely help you through.
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Thanks for your support. I am sorry that we all have to do this again. I started to look at the recent boards -- a great resource for advice, support and impressive women. It made me feel that I can do this.
I am scheduled for surgery on Tuesday in an attempt to get clean margins. My MO told me that I will do 4 rounds of TC, potentially followed by radiation. Right now it looks like I will be starting chemo in early August. But, I am also going to Johns Hopkins in two weeks for a second opinion. I really like my MO, but I think at this point I want to see what treatments others would recommend.
KBeee -- After reading your post I started to look up journal articles on loss of PR (instead of paying attention to work). My MO told me that it shouldn't affect outcomes, but it does look like there are some articles that suggest otherwise. Let's hope that chemo does the trick. I am also glad to hear that you have been feeling well and able to keep up with your kids. My daughter is about to enter middle school, and I plan to be there for her.
TwoHobbies -- I, too, was hoping that I could avoid chemo, and just switch from Tamoxifen to an AI (with ovarian suppression). But, this time around the cancer is more aggressive. I will definitely look for the August chemo group.
JJOntario -- This experience has made me realize that there are no clear answers, just best guesses. My oncotype was 16 and I had clear margins. It just doesn't make sense. Don't drive yourself crazy, just be vigilant. On second thought, can you seek a second opinion?
Thanks again, Ladies!
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Hi Aetna,
I just had a return of BC after 10 years. I don't worry about scars, just survival. I've had 3 surgeries on my right side, plus radiation and I'm OK. Not pretty but good. I am happy, hopeful and strong. I am a mom and grandmom and have a lot to live for.
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Etna, I'm sorry to hear of your difficulties. I had a mastectomy for DCIS in 2000. My BF found a lump under my scar in 2009. On biopsy, it turned out to be some of my original tumor cells, now turned invasive and growing into my chest wall.
They did scans on me to detect distant mets, which they did not find. That made me stage III and not stage IV. My surgeon removed my lump and some surrounding muscle tissue, going down to the bone in one spot. He also took out 10 of my axillary nodes, of which two were positive. After surgery, I had two kinds of chemo, then radiation.
My treatment took about a year. It pushed me into menopause at age 42. The node removal and radiation made my lymphedema worse. But I'm still here, NED, five years after my second dx. I wish you clean scans, a skilled surgeon, and not too bad side effects.
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Amygil81,
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I am sorry to hear that you have gone through this a second time.
5years NED is something to celebrate! I am starting treatment for a recurrence, and this gives me hope
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I'm glad to have found this board. I just now felt a lump in my breast that had a mastectomy. I know in my gut, it is not good. It is exactly in the same place where the original cancer was found. My surgery was 1 1/2 years ago, with reconstruction surgery 10 months ago, so the likelihood of fat necrosis is pretty nil. I too, had a low grade tumor, with a low oncotype of 7. I will be calling the Dr. tomorrow. I think you just know when it's bad, I had this same feeling on my original diagnosis.
I have a question, how do they remove the cancer this time around. How much do they remove? Is it similar to the original mastectomy? Will my breast implant be removed? I avoided chemo the first time around, I don't think I will be as lucky this time. -
Frostecat, sorry you're going through thus. Its my understanding that fat necrosis can show up long after surgeryso hoping tthat's all it is.
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Me too Debiann. Call into the BS now for an appointment. The waiting is the worse.
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I am really sorry that you have to go through this. Just went through the same thing in June - and I remember all those feelings all to well. Please get it checked as soon as possible. My MO kept telling me not to worry, it's scar tissue, fat necrosis. But, it wasn't.
Just had my second surgery to remove the tumor, got clean margins this time. Now I am waiting to start chemo. Much better to know what you are dealing with and having a plan than waiting and thinking the worst.
The ladies in this discussion helped me keep things in perspective.
And to answer your question about implants - depends on where the tumor is. The surgeon didn't have to remove mine, and it looks like I won't need more reconstruction.
Hugs!
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