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  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited July 2015


    Guess I am just feeling emotional, but I am feeling angry too. I am feeling sorry for myself as all around me....family, friends are going on with happy lives. Doing things, going places, and I am felling so alone and like this is not fair. I live alone and the days are so long. Yes, I get text messages and a few phone calls from my kids ( who do not live near and are busy with their families). But, I feel like after we hang up or I text back, they go about their happy lives and I have to just be here going through chemo snd all that goes with it. My sister and her husband just moved into a new house, Yes, I am happy for them, but am feeling sorry for me. I am trying to be more positive, but it is so hard. Does anyone else feel angry

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited July 2015


    Sorry for the rsnt.....I guess because it is night and nights are sad for me being alone.

  • Scarlett152
    Scarlett152 Member Posts: 175
    edited July 2015

    mysunshine, Grrrr - I feel angry and alone too and I'm in a houseful of people! This diagnosis can be very isolating. As I am nearing the end of chemo I am more and more fearful that it didn't work and apprehensive about starting an AI, but everyone else expects me to be happy. Hang in there

  • StefLove
    StefLove Member Posts: 322
    edited July 2015

    mysunshine, yes, I'm definitely angry a lot more than usual too. Same reason, everyone is loving and living life and I'm here on the couch forcing myself to eat some food bc I have to. I get out of the house and go to work, and friends once in awhile drag me out to eat but it's still lonely since they don't always understand. I had just moved to Florida to work for my dream company and boom now I have cancer. Next week is my one year anniversary with the company and I had such different ideas for where I'd be right now. Instead of thriving at work I'm trying to just get through the week. My manager has been great with everything but how long can that last. Ughhhhh sorry it's just been an emotional few days.

    I just keeping telling myself that we will get through this! This damn bump in the road is a long one but there is hope on the other side.
  • CatsRus
    CatsRus Member Posts: 310
    edited July 2015

    Rant away MySunshine. We all have good reason. I want my life back..... I retired last year and had all kinds of plans. Unfortunately last year I also lost my dad, my father in law and early this year my mum, so a chunk of the year was spent travelling 'home' to the UK to be at sick beds and funerals. Don't get me wrong, I cherish those final times with those special people and wouldn't change a moment, but this year was supposed to be about me.... well.. Me and DH. We had a two week trip planned for April, 3 long weekends booked at a place we like to go a few hours from home.... all cancelled.... It became about 'me' for sure..but this wasn't what I meant at all.... so yes, I'm angry too. I agree with Scarlett, it's easy to feel alone in a room with other people, this is very isolating. My daughters live a long way away, one lives in the UK. So I understand what you mean about phone calls, emails... These feelings are one more thing to fight and we can!

    Scarlett, again like you, I am nearing the end of chemo...one more...and then AIs for me too. I am dreading more scans and waiting for results.... and possibly bad news and the nightmare not being over...though even with good news, I'm not sure it will ever be over. I am fearful of beyond too.

    Then next year I'll have to decide on reconstruction or not....

    Hope you are feeling better today MySunshine. With pain, lack of sleep and at this low point in our chemo schedule you have every right to be angry, but I hope today or tomorrow you can draw on the strength you have shown so far and rise above the anger.... today's another day. Be well.

  • CatsRus
    CatsRus Member Posts: 310
    edited July 2015

    me again....one last thing.... I don't know if I'm angry at myself or BC or both but I'm angry I can't motivate to do some stuff I feel I should be able to be doing..but I can't .... my motivation seems to be languishing on the couch, this is not what I want !! Okay done now,,,,

  • Scarlett152
    Scarlett152 Member Posts: 175
    edited July 2015

    Cats - I have been trying to do one project at a time around the house. Some days I may only do 20 - 30 minutes, others a couple of hours, but it really does make me feel better. Purging my 17 year old's bedroom while he is out of town. It has taken 4 days, but I feel good.

    More importantly, has anyone done a mani/pedi during chemo? I'm 14 days out of my 3rd TC. I've been avoiding them for fear of infection, but would love to get a fun 4th of July design for our little town parade. I'm not skilled with dark colors or I'd do my own. Also, would love to do something from my "old" routine. I have a nail salon I trust. It's the little things!

  • tjh
    tjh Member Posts: 469
    edited July 2015

    I am not angry as much as sad and frustrated. I look at my coworkers post pictures of vacations...1 principal is in Rome (but he is the dickhead so I ignore him as much as possible) and I worry about what my BC is doing to my DD's summer. We are going on short break to northern Wisconsin the 1st week of August. I am also frustrated by the lack of taste...I tried a smore last night, no taste...and my constant fatigue. But grateful my SE are not worse. I think we all need to vent on occasion with others who know.

  • t100angel
    t100angel Member Posts: 54
    edited July 2015

    Hello all. I am still alive and kicking cancers butt. Tuesday was the fourth AC treatment. I get a three week break before starting Taxol, and hope to get a few things accomplished. Last treatment came with some nausea and more fatigue, but this time it doesn't seem as intense.

    I am staying out on disability until after surgery recovery, so I won't be back at work until December or January. I just hope to not go stir crazy in the mean time. There's only so much TV to watch, and my focus has diminished so reading isn't happening much either.

    Have a safe and sane Fourth of July!

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited July 2015


    Scarlett, yes, I have had mani's and pedi's. My nail salon knows I am on chemo, so they are really careful. Also, I go my third week when my cell counts are up. No problems so far. One more to go!

  • rosesrx
    rosesrx Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2015

    rant away, we understand. I feel resentful and overwhelmed. Mom now has hints of pneumonia after her fall on Sunday along with the continued MRSA wound infection and dementia on top of that. Brother is about 40 hrs away (drive) in NV. And so appreciative that I m taking care of all of this..grrr

    Made time for myself tp go out to breakfast with a friend, took my mind off myself for a bit.

    Being back at work the day after chemo for the next 4 days may not be the smartest thing but looking forward to only working Thursday next week. Starting to fade a bit from the steroids. Luckily the Neulasta pain won't kick in for a few days.

    Keeping busy keeps me out of my head. But could so use a nap right now.

    Indigestion an heartburn are the worst s/e today.

    Prayers and hugs to all


  • sharapril1021
    sharapril1021 Member Posts: 42
    edited July 2015

    Happy Almost 4th of July All! I haven't been on the boards since the last few weeks in June my kids were finishing up school so it was very hectic with the last remaining half days and me not feeling that great. Now July is full speed ahead. I finished my #3 AC on Monday with one more to go on the 7/13, and can't wait for that to be over with. After the 2nd round the nurse who gave me my Neulasta shot didn't administer it properly. I had the worse bone and jaw pain ever but the weather was miserable so that could have made it worse as well. I had absolutely no energy to do anything. Today, the sun FINALLY came out!! I am dragging but not as sore. As far as SE go, my nose is constantly running, everything still tastes weird, even water but I still try to get it down. My hair started to fall out more after A?C round #2 so I had my bestie/hair stylist shave my head. It's still falling out but it's more manageable now. Went to the LGFB class a few weeks ago and got some really nice makeup and other products. I haven't lost my eyebrows or lashes yet, and wondered how long it takes for that to happen and is it just when on A/C? I am trying not to think ahead about the Taxol, but since I just brought it up can anyone tell me about the SE? Do you start to get some energy back, does food taste better, does your hair start to grow back? I hate feeling like crap all the time while everyone is out and about doing things and I am paranoid of being around germs and crowds.

    t100Angel - sounds like you are doing well? You are ahead of me in treatment - how did you do on the taxol? Any different SE I need to know about?

    mysunshine48- I hear you too! I was always on the go never sitting down until the end of the day, so to not have energy is tough. I too have been trying to move a little more because sitting makes me nuts!!

    marlanab - the hot flashes have been keeping me up at night too. First I'm hot, then I am cold, then hot. I can't get any decent sleep. I do take power naps throughout the day and have my kids doing more choirs so I don't have to. I tell them it's "Life skills" they will have when they move out!!

    Wishing everyone a Happy and Safe 4th..and that you all find something that tastes good to eat!!



  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited July 2015


    Charrapril, if you read the April chemo boards, there is a lot of women doing Taxol.....some over 12 weeks, some dense dose. They talk a lot about side effects. Also, I am on Taxaterne/ Cytoxin and lost my hair at two weeks. I hsve had 3 treatments and my eyebrows have thinned a lot and have maybe half my eyelashes. I have heard that we can still lose more after treatment 4. Oh, boy! At this point, I just want to get through it and not stress about hair issues. All this will grow back.

  • t100angel
    t100angel Member Posts: 54
    edited July 2015

    sharapril I haven't started Taxol yet. Tuesday was my fourth AC treatment. My Taxol starts on the 21st.

  • surprisedat65
    surprisedat65 Member Posts: 73
    edited July 2015

    I had my final A/C this past week and am only getting a two-week period before I begin my Taxol, once a week for 12 weeks, then 7 weeks of radiation. I am so dry, and the coating in my mouth is so persistent that there is very little I can eat. Mostly I have been living on blended fruit drinks in the a.m. and vanilla ice cream. Rinsing mouth with the water/baking soda/vinegar has done nothing to help. DH has tries to cook for me—I just tell him to cook for himself and if I can get a little of whatever it is down my gullet I'll do so. Chemo nurse suggested I try to find very sour lemon drops to help the mouth problem but I couldn't find them locally. Just ordered some on Amazon.

    My hemoglobin and red blood cells are very low. Here is the odd thing: the chemo nurse told me (something like this) that since my medical record said I was being treated for cure I wasn't eligible to get the shot of Procrit to improve my counts. I see the MO on Tuesday and will have another blood test done then. Meanwhile my DH had some 374 mg ferrous gluconate tabs which I'm now taking once a day.

    I'd say, "Yay" for having finished A/C but not looking forward to what new SEs Taxol will bring, not to mention radiation to come.

  • rosesrx
    rosesrx Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2015

    Procrit or Epogen is used to stimulat the bone marrow to build red blood cells. The Neupogen or Neulasta stimulate the marrow as well to make white blood cells. The body is amazing and can recover (just not as fast a we would like) You do have to replace the iron stores by supplementing either oral (which you are doing) or IV. Personally I like molasses which is rich in iron and add it to oatmeal alon with some spices so its like eating cookies for breakfast.

    Insurance probably wouldn't pay for Procrit unless you were symptomatic or your Hgb was less than 7-8. I won't even go into the side effects.

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited July 2015


    surprise....you rinse with baking soda and salt water, not vinegar. Aldo use Biotin toothpaste and mouthwash. Rinse several times a day. I am wondering if you have lost weight by not eating a lot. I am trying to eat healthy, but obviously too healthy, because I think I eat a lot, and lost 5 pounds last week. I guess I do not eat high calorie foods....no sugar and I am not a bread eater.....mostly protein, fruits and vegetables, with some yougurt now and then. Just not very hungry either. Having bar b q ribs and corn on the cob tonight though! YUM!

    Hope you feel better and get the rest of your treatments done!

  • Shanann
    Shanann Member Posts: 106
    edited July 2015

    I'm so sorry to hear that some of you are having to battle this alone, or are feeling alone even though you might be surrounded by family and friends. I'm sorry that you feel like others are enjoying life, and you aren't a part of it. I think this is the time to enjoy some down time so that our bodies can heal, and we should not think about what we are missing out on; rather, we should focus on healing and resting, because this won't last forever!!

    I know that people don't understand, and expect a lot from us because we LOOK healthy, even though we are feeling fatigued, and have a plethora of other side effects. I might look okay, but I might not be feeling okay, and I say, "Make me a sammich, dammit!"

    We each have something to battle. My 22 year old daughter called me to take her to a woman's shelter on the same day my doctor found my lump, February 13th. Two weeks later she and her 18 month old son (my grandchild), moved in with me, and that was at the same time I was enduring that painful biopsy (they made 4 passes). On top of that situation, my daughter has been diagnosed with Border Line Personality with a touch of psychosis. The Friday after my 3rd (Wednesday) treatment she was suicidal, and I had to sit in the hospital with her from 10 PM until 1 AM waiting for an ambulance to take her to a mental health facility. They wouldn't let me take her home. I was too weak to watch an 18 month old, free range, baby. The next day I drove to the Mental Health Facility to pick her up and bring her home. Boy- did that take every once of energy I had! Thank God they let her come home with me. She had run out of medication, and was worried about me, I think. Made things horribly worse, but what can you can. I'm not complaining. My daughter lacks coping skills, to say the least. It took my mind off of myself, that's for sure. At least with her here at the house, together, we can handle the tot. I'm hoping that this extra time with me will give my daughter a little extra time to grow up, and get control of her life a little better.

    Because of her disorder, once in a GREAT WHILE, my daughter will offer to make dinner, but most of the time she just leaves a sink full of dishes. She has a beautiful heart; she just get focused on herself most of the time, and 'that's all she wrote." LOL Don't get me wrong, I have wonderful family and friends who are helping me, including a wonderful fiance, and the most wonderful son you could ever hope to have. I am blessed. I know that this treatment will not last forever, and I know I am not the only woman to have to go through it, and I know that I will LIVE life to the fullest when we are done, which should be some time in October (counting radiation). When life hands us lemons we need to make lemonade.


    I had decided to run off to the beach before starting chemo, and am looking forward to getting back to the beach when this is all over. I'm not sad that others are enjoying life without me; I am happy for them. I know this will pass. Thank God I'm not stage 3 or 4, and thank God I didn't get into a car accident and die without warning, and I could go on and on... You know what I mean?

    So, I have a question for all you gals taking the AC+T, I got my last Red Devil on Wednesday, and it's Sunday morning and I'm feeling tired with a horrid sore throat and sore ears. Anyway, I want to know what you all think about whether or not to continue the dose dense, 4 treatments @ 1 x every two weeks, or go 1 per week for 12 weeks with very little SE'S?

  • Jenga60
    Jenga60 Member Posts: 24
    edited July 2015

    so I'm on day 4 after my 3rd round of FEC and feeling tired and bad taste in the mouth, the only thing that takes the bad taste away is to eat more. Which isn't good, as I'm putting on weight. I had to give up running, didn't have the energy for it anymore. I know I'll get back at it after this is done.

    Up next is the "D" part of the chemo... Which includes:

    Docetaxel or paclitaxel + trastuzumab + Pertuzumab.

    Just wondering what effects I can expect if anyone out there has been through this?

    On the positive side I got an apt with a reconstruction Dr... So I can expect to get my new boob and tummy reduction to create the boob in about 1.5 years!!! So much sooner than expected. Most people suggested 3-5 year wait. Buts is covered through government insurance.

    I feel left out of things and being 38, when I do go out during the week, it's usually a sea of white hair. I have nothing against seniors but all my friends work full time with small kids. It makes it hard to stay in touch. I've recently decided to book lunch dates with all my friends and meet them near there work. I can't afford it but I need this to keep sane!

    Thanks in advance for anyone that responds!



  • MarlanaB
    MarlanaB Member Posts: 292
    edited July 2015

    Shanann -- sounds like you've got a lot on your plate! I'm also not feeling left out since I'm still working and using my days off to sleep and recover as much as possible.

    I stayed with my parents for 6 days after both round 1 and round 2. We got into a huge argument about me wanting to stay in my own house on my own for round 3. Seriously, all I do is lay around the whole time and I would feel much more comfortable in my own bed or on my own couch.

    Jenga--I'm on the taxotere (docetaxel) and cytoxan cocktail. The taxotere is pretty hard on the hair and nails. For the mouth issues, I'm eating ice chips throughout my treatment and then rinsing my mouth with a baking soda/salt water solution. I tend to get a little metal taste in my mouth from time to time and the rinse helps a lot.

  • Shanann
    Shanann Member Posts: 106
    edited July 2015

    Marlanab- That's what I did with round #3- I stayed with my parents. They have a huge king sized bed with a t.v., and they just let me sleep. I go down about 24 hours after the nulastra (sp) shot, and sleep until Monday. Well, with each treatment it seems I sleep a day longer.

  • klanders
    klanders Member Posts: 244
    edited July 2015

    I can SO identify with your feelings. Chemo sucks. And although it's actually been "easier" than I expected, it's still been tough. If one more person smiles at me and tells me that I'm strong (which happened a lot this weekend when I ventured over to a friend's house to watch fireworks) I'm going to smack them... not really. It's just that when I'm feeling really bad I would prefer people to stay, "yah, I'm so sorry you feel bad - it really stinks that you have to go through this." But particularly since this is my fourth and final they just like to give me pep talks about how it's only going to get better. I'm probably just warped.... I guess I should appreciate the encouragement even if all I want is them to join my pity party.

    Steflove - it's okay to cry. Throw things if you have to! I'm so sorry you are having to go through this!

    And it is hard to watch everyone go on with life - even in my own home my family is spoiled and they expect me to carry on sort of as usual with meals, cleaning, etc.... My husband is wonderful and has picked up a lot of my slack but I was so thrilled when he and my son went out of town for 9 days because no one placed any expectations on me and I could just rest as needed. The only hard part was that he called home every other day to see how I was coming on my "to do" list! Aargh! I'm actually pretty spoiled - I don't work outside the home and my kids are 17 and 20 so my life is pretty posh - even though my house is a mess and my family is eating a lot of grilled cheese and chicken nuggets!

    One day at a time Lord Jesus...!

  • Gina4h
    Gina4h Member Posts: 98
    edited July 2015

    I have bands on my nails from each A/C treatment. The women in my metaplastic group suggested Emu oil and it has helped keep my cuticles from cracking and my nails from splitting so far. 4 treatments down and start Taxol next week if my body can handle it. I've been on a very high dose 2 week instead of 3 week cycle of A/C and I'm so run down. Spent 7 days in hospital and just trying to make it through. Hoping taxol is not so bad, but already having lot's of bone pain and neuropathy from Neupogen so my MO says we'll try 1 dose and then re-evaluate. Good news is the tumours are shrinking. The one under my arm can't be felt anymore and the one in my breast has gone from 9.8 cm when treatment started to around 2 cm!!! If the tumor shrinks all the suffering and tiredness are worth it!


  • rosesrx
    rosesrx Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2015

    Well crap, just got bit by the cat, puncture wound on the finger. (He had a seizure and I was giving him his phenobarb and didnt get my finger out of the way) So to call MO tonight or in the morning or just start tonight on the antibiotics.


  • MarlanaB
    MarlanaB Member Posts: 292
    edited July 2015

    Gina--Good news on the tumors shrinking! So yes, it's worth it.

    Klanders--About the only chore I keep up on is vacuuming and I wouldn't survive without my Roomba because the dogs sure aren't going to vacuum up after themselves. Plus, the Roomba only picks up so much hair so I still have to get the regular vacuum out at least once a week. My housekeeper comes every two weeks but if I don't do something every 3 or 4 days, either Roomba or by myself, I have fur balls blowing across the floor. And I hate it as well when people say "You must be tough." I'm as tough as I need to be and all of us going through this are just trying to get through this so we can get back to being "normal".

    Shanann -- i stayed the first couple of times because I didn't know how I was going to react. But I really want to stay on my own this time because I'm a night person and at my parents' house I try and stay on their schedule so I don't thinking I"m resting as well as I can on my own schedule.

    Roses--I'd call tonight. Bites can get infected fast and with our compromised immune systems we're at an even greater risk. If you don't call tonight, then at least make sure that you flush it well. I got bit by my smaller dog (a 75 pound German Shepherd/Belgian Malinois crossbreed) in March when I was breaking up a fight between him and my 100 pound shepherd and my PCP put me on an antibiotic right away.

  • Magnolia83
    Magnolia83 Member Posts: 99
    edited July 2015

    Hi gals,

    Just wanted to pop in and say that I was feeling so good today I actually drank a beer at my birthday dinner! It's the little things sometimes...

    Hope everyone is doing ok! I start weekly Taxol on Thursday...fingers crossed

  • Shanann
    Shanann Member Posts: 106
    edited July 2015

    Magnolia83= will you let me know how the taxol weekly thing goes for you? I have to choose between doing it weekly for 12 weeks, or doing the dose dense 4 times every two weeks. I am SICK of being down, but at the same time I want to get it over with. They are saying that the taxol is not as hard. My Oncologist said if I could image Red Devil put me down at 100%, then the taxol would effect me comparatively 70%. I'm really wrestling with this one. HELP! Anyone have any idea which is better? I got my #4 and last Red Devil on July 4th, and the Oncologist said I could take 4 weeks, so I don't go back until July 29th, but I have to get something on the 29th.

    Marlanab- I went to my parents to get away from a baby pit bull, a daughter and her 18 month old child, and renter, and a fiance who, bless his heart is amazing, still looks at me as healthy, and wonders why I won't get out of bed.... I"m gaining weight, so I must look very healthy. But, I go down after that shot the next day, and I don't get back out of bed until Sunday/Monday. Getting ready to head to work now. Feeling much better on this wonderful Tuesday. I just feel like I am absolutely sick and tired of pumping toxic chemicals into my system. Did you ladies hear that Joan Lunden is undergoing chemo. Somewhere there are youtubes. She explains the port, and takes us on her journey, but they might be old, and I'm just finding them.

  • Magnolia83
    Magnolia83 Member Posts: 99
    edited July 2015

    Shanann, here's what I've heard about the Taxol portion: weekly Taxol is supposedly a little more gentle on you side-effects wise (I think because they give you smaller doses for a longer amount of time?). But of course the dose-dense Taxol is over with a lot quicker. Definitely a hard decision. I did dose-dense AC and while it was NOT fun, I did pretty well on it, so it was tempting to stick with dose-dense Taxol, but my mom did weekly Taxol a few years ago and did really well on it so I figured I'd give my body a bit of a rest and just go with weekly. But I totally understand the temptation of dose-dense T to get it over with, so I really think you can't make a bad decision here (especially if you did well on AC). I've heard there's really no difference in outcome whether you do dose-dense or weekly, so it's really whatever you feel more comfortable with.

    I'll definitely let you know how it goes, especially compared to AC!

  • rosesrx
    rosesrx Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2015

    Well I did call about the cat bite. He thought I would be ok but could start if it looks angry. I go in Wed for H along with labs.

    Oh wow watching about Dr. Fata in Detroit. What a betrayal of trust.

    Happy birthday Magnolia. Glad you could taste the beer.

    Yea Marlana, glad the tumors are shrinking.

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