2014 Divorce Anyone?
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I am trying to figure out if I am where I need to be. My diagnosis came at the end of January 2014 at the age of 50. Stage 1, IDC. (19mm so just barely). First post, don't know if my condition will appear at bottom of post.
I am married. I have 2 just about grown children, a mother with dementia, a father who cannot cope with her illness, and who has battled colon cancer in the past two years, but physically doing very well now. We moved my mother to a nursing home in July, which has helped. But during my surgeries and treatment, it was extremely difficult.
Husband was supportive during surgery and treatments, and I guess still trying, in his own way. I went for my first mammogram yesterday, he offered to come (certainly didn't insist) but I really wanted to go alone. He asked me to call him , which I did. No answer and it took him 2 hours to call back. His response was, he was busy at work, I should have let him come.. Like it's all my fault. He loves to do that. AND. he loves to ask "what's wrong"? WTF really? Just had to throw that in, as that question just drives me over the edge!
We live in a city, where there is always something fun happening. Husband is content staying home, watching movies, alone. Something I am not interested in. The kicker is, he has a real problem if I go without him, or even suggest it.
Guess i am angry, emotional, premenapausal, hormonal, recovering, adjusting to tamox..
I just want to run away. I have said this to so many, but no one believes me or understands my feelings. I have been taking care of everyone else for so long, it's my turn. I want to do my thing?? Without hesitation or guilt.
Thanks for letting me vent. I am a private person, and just seeing this written down has helped. I guess I will figure this out in time. Just hope time is on my side. This has been a life changing year, and my husband expects me to be same person. I am not.
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LB6012 your husband sounds like a passive aggressive man, can you go to couples counsellling? Stress relief and relaxing are vital to bc recovery, you are right, you must put yourself first
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LB6012...I wish you could just run free...or maybe at least for a weekend...just take off...having been there with a mom with dementia, that in itself is a reason to need time for yourself...good luck dear. Rosie
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thanks Rosie for understanding. This has been a rough couple of years. I am trying hard, is all I can say.
And Lily... OMG.. Just googled passive aggressive.. I am married to a man with many of these traits. Just blows me away. Never ever thought of that. Not sure where that leaves me. I have suggested therapy in the past before all of this, but don't know if it would help. It might just make me more angry, bc he never feels he is wrong. I need to really give this some thought.
I do need to get away and do have a place to go. My parents have a small home in a nearby small beach community. I need to just do it.
I have been studying these posts most of this year, and have never posted, but I will say, after my post this morn, I feel better today.
Thanks for your responses.
L
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Hi LB6012,
Welcome to the community! We're so sorry you're here but glad you found us. The community is a safe place where you can feel free to vent your frustrations and fears anonymously and without anyone judging you.
We hope you get some resolve to all of this
Hugs from us,
The moderators
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Hi all,
In reference to some of the recent posts, I want to share an affirmation I found along the way. Between having cancer and getting a divorce, I have gathered quite a few. "Cancer gives you the gift of permission to remove everything in your life that isn't important or helpful"
While I have found this to be true, and in fact some of us have no control over our feelings regarding this. When you think about it, it should be a gift that every person has everyday of their life. We shouldn't have to get a disease or have a traumatic experience for the lightbulb to switch on. It should be a gift that we always give to ourselves, but we don't. Whether it be the way we were brought up, the societal expectations of women, being married to a passive-aggressive controller, or any other number of reasons. We should all be aware and have the ability to exercise our authentic selves all of the time. It's my one true lament, and what I wish for us all...
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Radical... Yes somethings hurt us more . I question if she begged to come back that he won't take her. But she Is going through with the D . Signing papers this week. . If she doesn't start leaving him alone he will not be able to form new relationships. She is always texting him. He Says he ignores them. But they still come. She is not nice.
He met someone with two kids at church. They started hanging out. Too soon though. Last Monday he told her he needed some space for two weeks. He stopped calling her altogether. They were getting close. I know because I had to supervise until last week. She called me and told me. Ask that I not tell my son. We talked. She would be good for him. But he hurt her when he stopped calling her and seeing her altogether. To bad they met so soon. He is just over whelmed. I think it bothered me more than her. But at least now I can stay out of it. Too hard for me. This whole thing. I have to get busy doing other things.
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Radical, I'm glad you kicked the scumbag to the curb. Yes, there are great guys out there.
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I'm year post bilateral mastectomy with reconstruction. My emotions handled my breast cancer diagnosis/treatment/surgeries much better than what I'm dealing with now. My husband was great support and caregiver the past year, especially after surgery; we've been married for 32 years. What I'm dealing with now is the lack of affection and sexual intimacy from my husband. Before breast cancer, I would say our sex life was average. Since I've had surgery and reconstruction, we have not had any intimate moments. I finally confronted my husband after realizing that he has not cheating but turns to porn/masturbation for sex. He claims that 'it's different now' and he has a 'hang up' about my disfigured breast without nipples. I miss being desired and needed. I'm hurt, sad, tearful, anger. There's no one to talk to, it's too personAL and private. My husband is repulsed by my body! I'm not sure if I want to live my life with a person knowing that they don't find me sexually attractive......do I??? My self image was recovering, but now I'm feeling pretty low.Hurting,,,,
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help needed,
1) porn in itself is not a bad thing but if that is what your husband turned to through all your surgeries etc...it may be the only thing that turns him on now. There are actually desperate coinciding groups for men with that problem. (Of course, that's if he admits it's a problem)
2) if it really is a handful about your Brady's New appearance (which I find hard to believe because that's awfully shallow) try a camisol or corset type top that can stay on during sex and still look hot&
3) tell him the truth. Tell him exactly what you wrote here even if it's in a letter you hand him. He needs to know you miss BEING desired and you are hurting. If he's worth keeping around, the two of you will find a way that works best for you guys to work it out. If he is unwilling to invest effort, then you do not want to live your life as his glorified maid.
Remember, these are just my opinions and I don't know either of you, so pick and chose the advice you need or want! : )
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help, I offered advise on another thread, but I also agree with Radical on this thread. Good-luck, only you can figure out what is best for you!!
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wenweb,Thank you for your support. I think I'm going to make an appt. to talk to a counselor this week.
helpneeded
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Radical2squared,I very much appreciate your support. I did write a letter after your advise, I left it in his vehicle this morning. We will see...
helpneeded
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good luck helpneeded!
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LB6012, like you, I stumbled across the definition of passive-aggression, and then I got this book (from my library), "Living with the Passive-Aggressive Man." It was a real eye-opener and explained a lot of the confusing behaviors.
http://www.amazon.com/Living-Passive-Aggressive-Ma...
Good luck!
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LB6012, come back and post here whenever you need to vent - again. When I read your post I could not believe how you said the words I have been longing to say for almost a year now. I felt trapped in my marriage before the bc dx, but at some point during treatment I began to really examine it. I wish I could say that he's mean, careless, whatever. But the truth is he's plain old passive-aggressive and unhappy much of the time. Before dx I would really try to do what I could to make life better for him, but now. . . I feel like I don't even want to GO to counseling. . .I want to find a way to "consciously uncouple" to use gwenyth's words.
Not sure if my feelings are a mere phase I'm in because I am post-treatment but pre-recon and am perpetually anxious, but I am, at last, going to say (to my fellow bc friends) that this dx has turned my whole world upside down and now I want to be free from anything that really isn't working for me. . .
PM me if you'd like. MerrellGirl
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Well, its been five years since my dx and treatment. Married for almost three years prior to dx and now eight years into the marriage and I am seeing a therapist to understand the damage that cancer has brought upon my body and marriage. I love my husband, and he loves me. And I still feel strangely isolated and alone. We have all the trappings of a great life, house with pool, great neighborhood, careers, children, grandchildren, family vacations, and I want to run away. I don't want to have a physical relationship with him or anyone else, and haven't for years. The symptoms of menopause are extreme, and I have tried every safe alternative, but nothing works. I don't know how much longer I can keep this up. Its exhausting. I feel like he has gotten dealt a bad hand and deserved someone that will/can appreciate him. I love him and believe he is a wonderful man, but cant understand why he still wants to be married to me..... If he said I want a divorce, I would say... I completely understand. ugh!
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Oh Lissee...please don't keep saying those things to yourself about yourself. You are doing the right thing by seeing a counselor to help you understand where your feelings are coming from. Please know that you are WRONG in your thinking that you are not a person worthy of being loved...this cancer-land experience we are in alters how we think about a lot of things, including ourselves. You said it best: I just feel like I want to run away from it all. . .Please come back and post your feelings. I am listening and will try to support you here. . .just try to stop telling yourself that you're a "bad deal" for your husband. You're not.
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I second Merrelgirl' s post. We are all deserving of love. It's wonderful that you're seeing a councillor. Have you considered a trip to the gynecologist for an honest chat. A lot of what you're feeling may actually be hormone related and causing depression. No promises, but you might find help there too!
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Lissee, I agree with both Merrellgirl and Radical, but may I add that perhaps it's worth an open honest conversation with your spouse as well. You said that you both love each other. Perhaps if he knew how you felt, it might make you feel better.
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Hi everyone that posted encouraging comments. Thank You!Still seeing a therapist and she is has provided a great deal of help. I am hopeful that we will be able to redefine our marriage and find happiness and contentment (with or without the physical) Due to the type of cancer I cannot take anything hormone related or risk another bout of cancer, so.... I'm still managing all the effects of chemically induced menopause, including extreme hotflashes almost every hour, day and night. Thank God summer is over and we have some cool weather here in so.cal.
I truly appreciate the opportunity to communicate here on this site. Everyone I've had contact with is just... wonderful!
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Lissee, So glad to hear that things seem to be on the mend with your marriage. May 2015 bring you health, happiness, peace, and continued cooler weather
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I need help!! I am losing my mind I promise! I am always alone and miserable... I lost my job my kids are now grown and my husband is so selfish and mean that I cant talk to him at all. He even took a job 500 miles away and often goes out partying and doesn't seem to care at all that I am the most depressed that I have ever been in my life. I am going back to the cancer center in Tulsa on Feb 8th for a PET and am terrified of what they might find... I know that stress and depression can lower your immune system and I am worried even more because of the immense amount of crap I have to deal with every day... I wish that I could just pack up and move back to florida but I have to have his insuramce and we all know that it is hard to survive on disability alone... I feel like I am stuck in a loveless marriage and a house and city that I don't like at all.... If these are the last days of my life I really don't want to spend them alone crying every day . What can I do to feel better? We are always broke because of his spending habits and since I have only disability I sit at home so I don't spend money... There is no where "pretty" to go and think here in Memphis and I am so tired of hurting this way... any suggestions?Thanks -
research other insurance options and GET out!
If half of what you say is true...you are better off going it alone.
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I agree. For your own health and sanity, explore some alternative options. You need to think of yourself. It sounds like your spous already puts himself first. Why shouldn't you do the same? One step at a time. Hugs and best wishes!!
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Thank you for your suggestions...guess I just needed to hear it from someone else. I am going to do just that. Enough is enough. My daughter just found out she is pregnant with my first grandchild and I am so happy about it. Gives me reason to fight and to smile again. I am done trying to please a man that cares only about himself. Praying that this PET scan shows no progression and then going to get my old job back. Making some changes will be good for me and it is time for that to happen. God bless you!! -
tg1203, Congratulations and best wishes!!
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Well I did have a clear PET in feb. And started reconstruction of left breast may 18th with expander in place. Still living with the selfish man for now while waiting to be done with surgeries. It is very difficult to deal with but I do have a long-term plan. I keep reciting a quote from the movie The Other Woman. .."fake it til you make it" just knowing that he has cheated and continues to lie I don't feel too bad about faking my feelings evidently he doesn't either...looking forward to a new beginning! I have amazing friends and family and I know in my heart that this is the right move. When he tries to fight with me after drinking I ignore him I refuse to partake in ignorant arguments that lead to nowhere. God bless all people that deal with so much...it's not easy.
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I know it's been a long time since I have posted, and every now and then I would go back and read my depressing post, posted at the top of page 3.
I DID IT. I RAN AWAY.
Had a hysterectomy in February because of a few problems, but it was something I really wanted. Felt like I needed to do more. I was premenapausal and just wanted my ovaries shut down, so it was a relief. My husband was there with me during all of it.
My husband and I have not been getting along at all. Just a lot of tension and stress at home to deal with, along with my mother who has dementia, and my dad who in December almost killed himself falling off a ladder. I coordinated everything for mom at the nursing home and my took care of my dad for months during his recovery. STILL, my husband didn't get it. Thought doing a few dishes, is what I needed. It's not that he did a little housework, but he reminded constantly of the dishes he had put into the dishwasher the night before. Like I should bake him a cake for doing a few chores.
I had an opportunity to go to the Caribbean in late May with a friend and I just booked it knowing it was a real problem for my husband. The afternoon before I left, we had a big blowout, which I knew would happen and I was ready for it and I left. Had my car packed with everything I needed, and drove about an hour to the nearby beach community where my parents have a small home they don't use. Next morning, I left for the most fantastic vacation I have had in such a long time. Sat under a palm tree for 5 days, at an all inclusive resort. I have not felt so relaxed in years. When I returned I drove straight back to the little house near the beach.
I decided that I need to take a step back from everything this summer. I need to let it all go and take care of myself. I visit my mom once a week. Added sitter at the home to help. My son, who is a college student, stays with his dad because he's in summer school. But comes to see me and cuts grass for me most weekends. I enjoy spending time with him. I am taking Pilates class here and walking almost daily on the beach, and found a great nail salon. I also have relatives here that I spend time with on weekends.
I haven't talked to my husband too much and have only seen him once, since I "abandoned" him. Regarding marriage counseling, he said he would come with me while I went to therapy. I still find that one funny !!
I don't think I will ever go back home. "Que sera, sera. What ever will be, will be." Whatever happens, Iknow I will be fine, Independence Day this year has a new meaning for me.
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I know it's been a long time since I have posted, and every now and then I would go back and read my depressing post, posted at the top of page 3.
I DID IT. I RAN AWAY.
Had a hysterectomy in February because of a few problems, but it was something I really wanted. Felt like I needed to do more. I was premenapausal and just wanted my ovaries shut down, so it was a relief. My husband was there with me during all of it.
My husband and I have not been getting along at all. Just a lot of tension and stress at home to deal with, along with my mother who has dementia, and my dad who in December almost killed himself falling off a ladder. I coordinated everything for mom at the nursing home and my took care of my dad for months during his recovery. STILL, my husband didn't get it. Thought doing a few dishes, is what I needed. It's not that he did a little housework, but he reminded constantly of the dishes he had put into the dishwasher the night before. Like I should bake him a cake for doing a few chores.
I had an opportunity to go to the Caribbean in late May with a friend and I just booked it knowing it was a real problem for my husband. The afternoon before I left, we had a big blowout, which I knew would happen and I was ready for it and I left. Had my car packed with everything I needed, and drove about an hour to the nearby beach community where my parents have a small home they don't use. Next morning, I left for the most fantastic vacation I have had in such a long time. Sat under a palm tree for 5 days, at an all inclusive resort. I have not felt so relaxed in years. When I returned I drove straight back to the little house near the beach.
I decided that need to take a step back from everything this summer. I need to let it all go and take care of myself. I visit my mom once a week. Added sitter at the home to help. My son, who is a college student, stays with his dad because he's in summer school. But comes to see me and cuts grass for me most weekends. I enjoy spending time with him. I am taking Pilates class here and walking almost daily on the beach, and found a great nail salon. I also have relatives here that I spend time with on weekends.
I haven't talked to my husband too much and have only seen him once, since I "abandoned" him. Regarding marriage counseling, he said he would come with me while I went to therapy. I still find that one funny !!
I don't think I will ever go back home. "Que sera, sera. What ever will be, will be." Whatever happens, Iknow I will be fine, Independence Day this year has a new meaning for me.
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