taking tomoxafin after 5 years

kira1234
kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
edited September 2015 in ILC (Invasive Lobular Carcinoma)

I am coming up on 5 years from treatment. My oncologist ran a new test which is giving me a 27% chance it might come back. The suggestion is 5 more years. Has anyone else run into this

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  • Chloesmom
    Chloesmom Member Posts: 1,053
    edited June 2015

    what test did they do may I ask?

  • jojo9999
    jojo9999 Member Posts: 202
    edited June 2015

    What was the name of the test? Was it oncotype dx?

    I can't cite studies but I am aware that the trend seems to be 10 years of hormone therapy instead of 5 for many women. But also, if you are post-meno, then they usually switch you from tamoxifen to an AI.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited June 2015

    No it wasn't that one I had that one 5 years ago. This one is called breast cancer index by bio therapeutics.

  • wallycat
    wallycat Member Posts: 3,227
    edited June 2015

    My onco said that she is still taking it case by case for the 10 years. The drugs are not without side effects and she tries to weigh out the benefits/risks. For me, she said 5 years. If I had known that tamoxifen was pretty useless for ILC, I would have skipped drugs till I hit menopause for a few years of AI treatment.


  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited June 2015

    My oncologist really wants me off them if at all possible. I'm also on tomoxafin even though I haven't had a period in years. I wasn't able to do the Al's unf

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited June 2015

    Why is Tamoxifen useless for ILC . .?

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited June 2015

    It's not so much it's useless but right the Al's are more effective lily

  • RatherBeGardening
    RatherBeGardening Member Posts: 8
    edited July 2015

    I was premenopausal when diagnosed. My oncologist initially said I would take tamoxifen for a year or two until I was definitely in menopause and then switch to AI. After a year or so, despite my periods not returning, she said a new study had concluded that women diagnosed premenopausal were better to stay on tamoxifen, rather than switch. The current plan is for me to stay on tamoxifen for 10 years.

    Kira1234 why do you say AIs are better than tamoxifen

  • MrsDarcy
    MrsDarcy Member Posts: 162
    edited July 2015

    I was also told 10 years at the onset - now my new oncologist said we will see at the 5 year mark. I still have my periods although they are never on a proper schedule and I have had issues. I just had a uterine biopsy and ultrasound = all negative :).

    But if my periods keep getting spaced out the way they are (regardless of the intensity of them), perhaps I am slowly heading into menopause (going to be 47 soon) and will tackled the AI path if need be.

    I am one of the fortunate ones whereby Tamox doesn't play havoc with me. Apart from yucky hair and splitting nails. I think my not being able to stay asleep is part Tamox, part age and part not getting the darn hamster to get off his wheel (in my head).

    Hugs to all - I secretly hope Tamox has been helping me - even with the knowledge of it not being useful for ILC.

    :)

  • besa
    besa Member Posts: 1,088
    edited July 2015

    I just tried looking up this test (Breast Cancer Index) since I was completely unaware of it. The Biotherapeutics web site is upfront and states that this test it is not an FDA approved test. At first glance the Biotherapeutics web site does not give a lot of info about the test which is very disappointing. If it is a real time rtPCR like the oncotype dx test I want to know what genes they are testing for. and how they differ from the oncotype dx test. This test does not seem to be specific to ILC (I am a IDC patient - I hope it is OK that I am posting on this thread.) The Biotherapeutics web site only says it is used for ER+, node negative patients. Since ILC and IDC are not the same I would want to know if this test has been looked at in terms of how well it predicts outcomes with these different pathologies.

    If anyone knows what this lab test actually looks at (for example real time PCR genes looked at, or immunohistochemistry) please post. I am going to try to pull any original journal articles that I can find that explain more. I am, like most women here, concerned about the possibility of a distal recurrence and this is a test that was never put on the table for me to consider.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited July 2015

    I just had this discussion with my MO as well, as I am at the 4 year point and wondering about continuing with Femara beyond 5 years.  This decision has to factor in that I have experienced bone loss severe enough to be treated with Prolia - so if I continue with Femara I also have to continue with Prolia.  I am willing to continue hormonal therapy for 10 years, but the cost/benefit has to be weighed against the potential issues with this particular SE.  Here is some additional info on the BCI test, which my MO has suggested we will use in a year.  I am not sure my insurance will cover it since it is not FDA approved, even though Medicare does cover it.  It is also recommended for node negative patients, but apparently there is a distinction between the prognostic and predictive aspects, and the predictive part of the test is appropriate for N1 node positives.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3703639/


     

  • besa
    besa Member Posts: 1,088
    edited July 2015

    Specialk - Thank you for the link above which contains additional info about the BCI test. Very helpful!

  • Mommato3
    Mommato3 Member Posts: 633
    edited July 2015

    Ratherbe, there was a new study that came out in December that recommended OS + either Tamoxifen or an AI (with an AI at a slight advantage) for premenopausal women that needed to do chemo. The risk of recurrence was lower. This was especially true for women 35 and under.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited July 2015

    At this point I don't know if my insurance has covered it. I do have the report which says all people in the Gray area are now bumped into high risk. Specialk I'm going to send you a priv

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2015


    Just fyi, I had the BCI test free.  I had an Oncotype of 11 and am taking Arimidex for 10 years.  My BCI test showed benefit from continuing.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited July 2015

    Thanks for sharing Aug242007. That's my plan as well. So happy we have this information available now. You were 11 on the oncogene test and still suggests you use it wow.

  • coraleliz
    coraleliz Member Posts: 1,523
    edited July 2015

    I'm at the 3 3/4year mark with tamoxifen. I'm suppose schedule a MO appt this month. Ugh!!! I think I'll wait a year to discuss this with my MO. I have a Federal Employee health plan, so my understanding is that if Medicare covers it, so will my plan. Will my MO order it???? I had to ask 3 times for the oncotype test, the result was a "4" but I did have positive pesky nodes. Without something directing me to continue, I will stop the Tamox. The uterine toxicity is evident with me. I keep growing polyps & needing D&Cs. I don't want to take an AI, have enough aches & pains. I'm also a thin, pale, frail, female with a family history of about 100% in my female relatives.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited July 2015

    it was my MO who ordered mine coraleliz. I'm also on tamoxifen and will have to stay on it due to allergic reactions to the other meds.

  • Kleenex
    Kleenex Member Posts: 764
    edited September 2015

    I'm 7 years out from diagnosis, and will finish seven magical years of Tamoxifen on November 30. Right at the five year mark, my oncologist mentioned excitedly that they've learned that there are benefits from taking it for up to 10 years. Yay. I've had one uterine biopsy and a transvaginal ultrasound - nothing to be concerned about, but the lining is thicker, I have some fibroids that look uninteresting, and I develop a functional ovarian cyst as my old ovaries try to whip up an egg. I have a week of annoying pelvic congestion (allegedly due to the ovarian cyst) every cycle, and then menstrual tsunami every 31 - 47 days. Usually it's about 21 days after the worst day of pelvic pressure. I know my oncologist wants me to take SOMETHING - she was pushing for me to continue the Tamoxifen until menopause, which she's SURE will befall me any day, despite my continuing menstrual fun that shows NO sign of abating. But at the last visit, the physician's assistant I saw mentioned that it's usually recommended that node positive women take it for 7 - 10 years. I was node negative, so she said, "It's up to you."

    I really don't enjoy Tamoxifen, but I suppose I should be grateful I have something I can take. And I'm not menopausal, so I don't think I can switch to an AI. I'm another one of those skinny, white poster children for osteoporosis, so probably I want to avoid AI's for as long as I can.

    Still - it's SO tempting to think that I could just STOP taking it... I almost wish the PA hadn't said it was up to me.

    Haven't heard of the BCI test - my onc's part of a huge, multi-unit practice and they're usually pretty good at pushing the latest tests.

    Oncotype DX test result was 11, btw...

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