July 2015 Surgery Sisters

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  • I_Spy
    I_Spy Member Posts: 507
    edited June 2015

    Poppy brings up a good point that all of us July sisters need to keep in mind, and that I have seen mentioned all over this site: "The mirror is not your friend!" as well as "It gets better!" We cannot look at our incision sites on day 5 or 7 or 10 and think "I'm maimed for life!". For a lot of us we have TEs which will look much better when replaced with implants, for others it is a process of healing and even tweaking that needs to be done. Insurance is required to cover us until we are satisfied, but also just waiting a few months or longer can mean the difference between satisfied and unsatisfied. I'm preparing myself with this speech too.....

  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited June 2015

    Mira, You have a lot on your plate right now. Maybe try to only think about one step at a time? I know, easier said than done! Have you had your node biopsied? If so, what was the result? Try not to think about chemo yet. Do you have complete pathology of your tumor? Grade 1, 2, 3?

    I loved my boobs! So disappointed that they tried to kill me! I still have them, but they are smaller and have some thin scars that only my DH and every medical professional around will see.

    I loved my hair, too. It was soft, wavy, long with only a few grays. When I was diagnosed, I cut it shorter. When I found out about chemo, I went with a very short pixie cut. I cried once when it fell out in handfuls, but that was all I was going to allow. We all handle it differently, and that's the way it's supposed to be. I have two wigs: one a short and sassy bob, reddish with highlights, the other long, brunette with some red in it... very much like my regular hair. The wigs looked great and I wore them on occasion. Most of the time I wore scarves. Women would stop me and ask me how I tied them. LOL I wore hats, too. Around the house, I went bare bald head. I thought it would scare my kids, but it didn't even phase them. Anyway, some of my chemo sisters didn't tell any of their coworkers what they were going through. Some had wigs that looked like their original hair and just commented that they got a new cut or were trying a slightly different color. One woman said she was having a make over and got a shorter wig, since they are easier to manage and less hot.

    Keep in mind that your insurance will usually cover postsurgery bras. Wigs, too, although they are referred to as "hair prosthetics". LOL

    My sharp mind was actually the most difficult loss. My intelligence was my most treasured characteristic. It's getting better, but I'm still dealing with it.

    Back in the day, I worked in a "man's" job. I was a hazardous materials specialist with a fire department. I felt the pressure and knew I had to be excellent at my job at all times. That said, when I needed assistance, my co-workers were there supporting me. If anyone from the outside said anything negative about me, my co-workers would handle it and "correct" the outsider. My point is, you don't know how your coworkers will react. They don't have to know the details, but if you miss a lot of work, they will know something is up. They may even surprise you with their support.

    Most importantly, don't be too hard on yourself.

    Gosh, I hope I haven't disturbed your topic too much. I just think it would be a shame to have gone through this entire thing and not share what I've learned and try to help others.

  • I_Spy
    I_Spy Member Posts: 507
    edited June 2015

    Thank you Poppy your advice is great. :)

  • ilovepugs
    ilovepugs Member Posts: 78
    edited June 2015

    I just have to mention to all the gals having surgery in July, it may be a good idea to anticipate constipation and prepare yourself prior. Ask your doctor about starting to take senna tablets the day before surgery.

    I am in the unfortunate position of not having a bm for a week now. I had to be at the hospital at 6am on Monday morning and because I couldn't eat or drink from midnight onward it threw off my routine. Generally I can just get a whiff of morning coffee and I high tail it for the bathroom! 😝

    Anyway, with chemo I had the same problem with all the drugs and I developed awful hemorrhoids because of the constipation, which was one of the most painful side effects I experienced. I dreaded going to the bathroom.

    So, I just want you all to avoid it if you can. Here's a good article about the topic. http://www.health.harvard.edu/pain/pain-relief-opioids-and-constipation

    Good luck to you all! Be strong! Oh, that reminds me ~ it's not a bad idea to get the abs in shape before mastectomies; you'll be relying on them to get you out of bed!

  • Free123
    Free123 Member Posts: 84
    edited June 2015

    ilovepugs, if ANYTHING throws me off my routine (like not being able to have my morning coffee of the 7th when I have my surgery) It's. just. not. happening!!

    I have already packed my prunes, Colace, Milk of Mag etc. I hope I am prepared!! Just another little challenge to add into the mix. Trying to be ultra-prepared but also take things one hour at a time. Blessings and prayers to all you precious ladies with surgeries coming up. I am about to jump out of my skin, I'm so ready!!!!

    Free123

  • jkbrca2
    jkbrca2 Member Posts: 67
    edited June 2015

    poppy, Ilovepugs, thank you for the great advice. I will definitely try to keep things in perspective.

    Free123, I'm scheduled for 3 days after you but anxious to get this over with too! Counting down days. I have only 8 more days at the office to get things seemingly under control before I take a leave of 4 weeks. It's s hood distraction to the reAl issues and certain concerns I have for post op.

    Right now, less than 2 weeks away, every time I get dressed, I look at myself in the mirror and wonder how things will change. "Will this top work? or maybe only if I wear prosthetics?" and so on. "What kind of swimsuit am I going to get for the end of summer to play with my son in the water?" I have a June birthday but told my husband to hold off on a gift. Maybe I will ask him to get me one of those rash guard tops from Athleta or LLBean?

    This is a personal question, but is anyone or has anyone taken a picture of their breasts before? I feel like I better do that. I'm not reconstructing so I won't have a PS do a before photo. Not sure I'll ever look at it after... But to have, just in case.

  • Free123
    Free123 Member Posts: 84
    edited June 2015

    jkbrca2, my take on that would be yes, definitely take a pic- it wouldn't take 10 seconds to do and then at least you would have it, even if you never need it. Better safe than sorry, especially if it's something so easy to do. I share your concerns about clothing etc even tho I am having reconstruction. But I'm so grateful for all the products available now, like the swimsuits you mentioned! I love everything from Athleta!

    I also know what you mean about needing distractions!! And getting things "seemingly" under control!! LOL Things aren't really under control but if they just seem like it, I feel better!

    I am feeling that way about my house and all I will need organized for my recovery. I have gotten baskets and labeled them with all my recovery clothing: tops/bottoms/pj's, and another empty basket labeled for dirty clothes, and lined them up in my closet. I got to thinking about describing different articles of clothing for my husband to have to find for me in my closet and realized I needed to make that process as simple as possible!!

    I also took someone's suggestion and got a cheap shower caddy and made a portable drain changing station with hand sanitizer, gauze, neosporin, etc in it. I will place that on my bathroom counter before I leave for surgery. I cleared off my bedside table too- it was covered in books etc and I will need room for drinks and meds now!


  • PoppyK
    PoppyK Member Posts: 1,805
    edited June 2015

    I know many women who have taken pictures to document their progress.... their breasts, bald heads, swollen feet. I didn't but understand why you might want to do so.

    I advise anyone having any type of surgery (mx or lx) to put as many things at counter level or out on the counter so you don't have to bend and reach. I like clean counters, but cluttered made things so much easier.

  • Scottiemom11
    Scottiemom11 Member Posts: 1,298
    edited June 2015

    I second what Poppy and ilovepugs said. . . I avoided the mirror initially after BMx. My PS used dissolvable inner stitches and surgerical glue externally so I was allowed to shower 2 days post even with my drains. Other PS's are different about when you can shower, but it can't hurt to ask. In any case, I waited a few days after before I even glanced. DH helped me shower and redress since I needed help with the drains. When I was emotionally ready to look, I did.

    Constipation is definitely not our friend either after surgery. I was offered sennalax at hospital but declined. Five days later I had DH buy some.

    Keep everything you need close and don't be afraid to ask for help from whomever is available. Even my 12yo son would come in my room in the afternoon and watch movies for me or fetch things. Also ask for non-childproof caps on meds so you can open them.

    Poppy, I post mostly on the exchange board but glad to have a surgery board to share with again as I approach my next step. I wish my exchange was next week but had two options (late April or late July) which worked best for my job. I postponed until July for several reasons. I'm ready now.

    Hang in there everyone. This site is such a great resource for information and support.

    Scottie.

  • I_Spy
    I_Spy Member Posts: 507
    edited June 2015

    Free123 loved the suggestion about the drain changing station. I had purchased gauze and surgical gloves (Amazon.com loves me right now) but wasn't thinking with where this is all going -- not high up on a shelf, now is it? So I cleared off a shelf in the bathroom and ordered a cute pink caddy that will fit the shelf perfectly (if my measurements are correct). The shelf is at waist level, and I can just dip in to get what I need or take the caddy out to put on sink in front of me while I work. I hadn't thought of that until you mentioned it!

    Anyone else live alone like me? I have friends who have offered to come over and really want to help, but ultimately I am alone and I need to plan for everything myself.... boo hoo... no it isn't that bad but I do need to think more about where things are and if I can reach them.

  • CAMommy
    CAMommy Member Posts: 437
    edited June 2015

    I'm having a lumpectomy.

  • queenmomcat
    queenmomcat Member Posts: 3,039
    edited June 2015

    Sorry for not clarifying: yes, the surgeon doesn't think he'd be able to save my nipple/areola. (Jeez, never thought I'd say something like that in a public forum!) I hadn't realized what might be possible in regards reconstructive surgery; I thought it was complete breast or nothing! I'll ask the surgeon if there's someone he could recommend for this.

    Sensation wouldn't be restored, obviously, but looking a bit more normal would help. Thank you, everyone.

    I'll send the private message off to the person maintaining that collection of images, though I understand I might have to have more of a presence on the boards before she feels comfortable adding me.

  • Free123
    Free123 Member Posts: 84
    edited June 2015

    CAMommy, what is the date of your lumpectomy? Sending prayers and blessings your way.

    ispy, I'm sure you thought of paper coffee cups and all your coffee/tea supplies being within easy reach. How terrible not to be able to reach our life-sustaining (not really but it feels like it some days) beverage!!

    Also, my toilet paper is normally stored in an upper cabinet so I will move that down. Also thought about the medicine cabinet by the sink and needing to move toothpaste etc down to the counter.

    Moved my almonds and other foods I eat down a shelf or two so I could reach them easily.

    Maybe moving laundry detergent into a smaller, easy to reach container?? I know we will need to be diligent about washing clothing, sheets, towels. I will put fresh sheets on the morning I leave for my surgery and have 2 more sets washed and in a big sealed bag ready to change out when needed.

    I was already in Amazon's gold-star customer zone but I may have gone platinum getting ready for this surgery. My UPS guy friended me on Facebook!

  • Free123
    Free123 Member Posts: 84
    edited June 2015

    CAMommy, I'm sorry I see your date now, the 28th.

  • I_Spy
    I_Spy Member Posts: 507
    edited June 2015

    Free123 I wish my UPS guy would friend me on FB, he's gorgeous! Every time the truck shows up I go to the door eagerly (just like my dog) to see if it is HIM. My dog is excited when it is HIM because HE brings cookies. Sigh. He's dreamy. Maybe I'll ask him: "Wanna be friends on Facebook? How do you feel about nipple tattoos?"

    Aaaaaaaanyway, CAMommy I added you, welcome to our group. It is time to start the countdown for EmmyJ -- she's probably moving snacks down to waist level but if you're lurking here Emmy check in...

    Free123 I didn't think of toilet paper. Ugh. Yes, it's up high. I'm tall so most things are up high, since why not? Well, I will have people here the first few days, and if not I have a retired friend nearby who will literally be upset if I don't utilize her. I'm her project, and I'm happy to serve.

    Happy last few days of June everyone!


  • jkbrca2
    jkbrca2 Member Posts: 67
    edited June 2015

    ispy, that's hilarious about the UPS guy. Well, you know he likes dogs, so that's a good start! Maybe go slow on the tattoos, and mention you're thinking about getting one (no details), and ask if he has any?? Lol If he says "yes", that's a good sign.

  • _proudauntie
    _proudauntie Member Posts: 38
    edited June 2015

    jkbrca2 - I totally intend to take pictures before. I am even taking it a step further - bought one of those belly cast products pregnant ladies use to make a cast of their bellies - I am going to make a bust of my bust :)

    No one but me (and my sister who will do it for me) may ever see it - but it seems like a fun thing to do.

  • Free123
    Free123 Member Posts: 84
    edited June 2015

    Oh Lordy, I'm laughing about the UPS guy- geez they're all good-looking, it must be a job requirement. Too funny, I guess we gotta get our kicks and giggles somewhere!!

    ispy, I know what you mean about being someone's project. My sis-in-law kinda sees me as hers. She kept sending me inspirational quotes- and I finally had to tell her that I really wanted her to send me humor instead of deep, emotional quotes. Heartfelt, sentimental quotes were just too much for some reason, and made me feel like she thought I was dying. Then my best friend sent me an email about women using public restrooms- and I laughed so hard I nearly (and ironically) wet my pants. That's more what I need at this point.

  • jodib
    jodib Member Posts: 6
    edited June 2015

    jodib scheduled for double mastectomy July 1

    Any opinions about where to do incisions. Under the breast or on the top outer portion of the breast. I am thinking about nipple sparing mastectomy. Don't know if there are pros/cons to either location for scars and healing. Not concerned so much about a visible scar. Thanks for any thoughts on incision decision or the nipple sparing option. I have been diagnosed with DCIS in my left breast. Been given the choice to spare the nipples or not! I appreciate you all sharing your experiences!

  • I_Spy
    I_Spy Member Posts: 507
    edited June 2015

    free123 that's what we need -- a good laugh. where are you located btw?

    Also, still looking for any July sisters who live alone...?

  • _proudauntie
    _proudauntie Member Posts: 38
    edited June 2015

    yes ispy - I live alone.

    had such a great "normal" day today. Went to a cookout, even though the weather was overcast and cool. I have had more "normal" days that not since my diagnosis. Its weird - but so fart its been dr. appts. and words on a paper, and research - but nothing tangible for me to date. I guess on some levels that makes me lucky - but it also makes for a very surreal experience. Surgery will be the first significant step in cancer treatment for me.

    Feeling a bit disconnected...

  • queenmomcat
    queenmomcat Member Posts: 3,039
    edited June 2015

    Hmph. My regular UPS guy isn't particularly good looking. I mean, he does his job admirably--at one point, he mentioned to my husband, at work, "Oh, I've got a package for your wife; would you like me to give it to you now?"--but kinda ordinary looking.

    (sulks)

  • Scottiemom11
    Scottiemom11 Member Posts: 1,298
    edited June 2015

    Lol Free123 and Ispy. . .I too am an Amazon girl. I've been a prime member from the beginning. I don't think I ever have the same delivery person twice and they never even ring the bell. No fun for me.

    Scottie

  • Free123
    Free123 Member Posts: 84
    edited June 2015

    jodib, I'm having a double with tissue expanders on the 7th- my incisions will be under my breasts- I had implants in 2001 and that is where the scars from that procedure are- my PS acted like that was where she usually placed the incisions, but that may have been bc I already had scars there?? She just indicated that underneath the breasts was the logical spot.

    I, too, am going for the nipple/skin saving procedure. I hope it works! She did say my scar would be a bit longer than it is now, but it has never bothered me and I feel like it's a small price to pay. I will know more this Tues as I have my last pre-op with her. I'll let you know.

    ispy, I am in the Mississippi delta- the home of the blues, Clarksdale. I am an empty-nester with a sweet husband who will be here to help. He just doesn't know where a lot of stuff is since he is usually on the farm and I tend to the day-to-day. And I like it that way!! It should be quite comical when I try to explain/describe things I need to him. Or more likely, I will burst into tears and then cuss. Oh well! It won't be the first time...

  • jodib
    jodib Member Posts: 6
    edited June 2015

    free123...thanks for talking with me. i saw a reconstruction with scars from the aureola about 3 inches towards the arm pit. i wonder about the healing process under the breast. Since you have been through it, can i ask you a couple of questions?


    it would seem like a difficult place to have healing. i know it is common, but i can not help but feel like the tissue would heal better on the top of the breast because of air flow and no pressure on it from the breast or any support worn.

    my other thought is the risk of leaving ducts in the nipple tissue. i know that only about 95% of the breast tissue is removed anyway, does it increase risk leaving the nipple tissue? my doc said she can do a technique where she leaves the aureola and takes the nipple tissue. so crazy that this is 3 days away! i feel ready other than these two thoughts.

  • Free123
    Free123 Member Posts: 84
    edited June 2015

    jodib, Of course!

  • I_Spy
    I_Spy Member Posts: 507
    edited June 2015

    We are a rowdy group now woo hooooo! We are "hootin and hollerin" as a dear friend from Mississippi used to say....

    jodib I'll add you, and wow countdown begins! As far as the incision goes, I'm not sure you have a big choice on that; it usually depends on where your cancer is, and how the surgeon wants to do it, and of course whether you're sparing the nipples. I think they will always try to do the best cosmetic outcome they can while removing all tissue and cancer. How large is your DCIS (it doesn't say in your signature line)? I chose not to spare nipples but I'm in the minority on that I think; I just feel like if I'm going through this hell I don't want to leave even two breast cells to rub together. But so many women spare the nipples. How much time have you had to do research and make the decision....are they rushing you? There are a lot of different threads in the different forums on here where you can do research on the surgeries and reconstruction... are you having reconstruction? ok that's a lot of questions for you...

    proudauntie so we can be "alone girls" support. Are you arranging things at waist level and planning meals ahead? you still have time -- I'm just about a week out now (gulp).

    Queenmomcat the operative word in your post is "husband". ;)

    Yay for Amazon Prime!



  • jodib
    jodib Member Posts: 6
    edited June 2015

    going to put my kids to bed. summer hours. will be back on comp in 30 min. thank you! u have about a week and a half to go.

  • I_Spy
    I_Spy Member Posts: 507
    edited June 2015

    Free123 I wrote my last post before I saw yours -- and I quoted a friend from Mississippi! :)

  • jodib
    jodib Member Posts: 6
    edited June 2015

    ispy....they are giving me the chioce on both. cancer a large enough area to not try to save the breast. (left) i am being put on tamoxifen so i wonder if the risk from the 5% of breast tissue that is left in a mastectomy changes if you leave a little bit more in the nipples. i had an mri and they determined that the effected area is far enough away from the nipples that they are giving me the option. i can not help but think why leave it too. i was leaning the other way, but rethinking as it approaches.i did not feel rushed at all.

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