Nightmare reconstruction complications, need input

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scary
scary Member Posts: 213
edited December 2017 in Breast Reconstruction

Had uni mx in March 2014, then tissue expander June 2014.  Exchange surgery November 2014, with substantial reduction of healthy breast (which I am VERY grateful for).  The first implant developed capsular contracture and lots of pain.  PS put in different shaped implant in May 2014, in adddition to scar revision on both sides (the big fat pads under the arms).  No complaints there.  The drain on the reduced breast was removed in 10 days at first follow-up.  The drain on the implant side was still putting out alot of fluid four weeks later.  I accidentally pulled it out as i was getting out of the shower the night before my next follow-up appt.  There was an awful smell from the drain site, even though I was on Keflex almost the whole time.

The PS took one look at me and sent me right to the hospital, where I had to stay for a week on IV antibiotics.  They did an ultrasound and drew 12 ounces of fluid.  They did cultures, which were negative for MRSA, but I was diagnosed with cellulitis staph infection.  I am home now on home IV antibiotics and a home nurse checks on me twice a week.  Fevers on and off, fatigue, yeah it sucks.  Next week I go back for another ultrasound, and will see the PS and Infectious Disease doctor (who saw me in the hospital as well).  The PS may have to remove this implant too.  I am wondering if it is even worth it to try again, since my other breast is small enough now, which I love, that a small prostetic bra form could be worn in public. 

Also, even though this PS is well known for stomach flap surgeries, he said it is a more risky surgery.  I was hoping that someone here could shed some light on the situation as to whether it would be worth the more complicated surgery, or if just wearing a fake breast insert is doable.

thanks in advance.

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  • AmyQ
    AmyQ Member Posts: 2,182
    edited June 2015

    My thought is wear the fake breast insert until you are completely healed and if down the road you want to try the implant again, go for it. Who knows, maybe you'll decide another surgery isn't worth it and skip the whole process. I am convinced implants aren't for everyone. I know they did not work for me and I gave it 2 1/2 years and at least 4 or 5 tries. Good luck to you.

    Amy

  • debiann
    debiann Member Posts: 1,200
    edited June 2015

    I had DIEP surgery with no complications and I am satisfied with it. That said, going into this I told myself that I was giving reconstruction only one shot. If I had complications or infection I was going flat with no regrets.

    It would be perfectly reasonable to try flat for awhile and if you don't like it do recon later.

  • scary
    scary Member Posts: 213
    edited June 2015
    thank you both for your responses. my husband even said he would rather see me flat than go through all these complications. i will update again after my next appointment. thanks again.
  • aff
    aff Member Posts: 279
    edited June 2015

    scary - I had uni mx with immediate DIEP. While it was a long recovery, I would do it again and am very happy with the result. This is such a personal decision for each of us. DIEP was the right decision for me and I have absolutely no regrets. Best to you

  • CarolynAnne
    CarolynAnne Member Posts: 57
    edited June 2015

    Aff- i am happy to hear that your surgery went well! Just how long was your recovery from DIEP?

    I will be having uni mx with DIEP the end of August. I meet with the plastic surgeon next week. Anything you recommend I ask? Any other suggestions/ tips?!

    I would greatly appreciate any input you can offer!

    I still have 4 weeks of chemo (A/C plus Taxol) to go, then about 5 weeks off until surgery.

  • aff
    aff Member Posts: 279
    edited June 2015

    CarolynAnne - I wish you the best as you complete your chemo. We all heal and recover differently so it's difficult to compare but I will tell you about my experience. My surgery was June 6 and I returned to work on Sept 1. Many ladies here returned to work much sooner. I was lucky that I did not have to. I was walking several miles a day by week 6 or 7. I was in compression for at least 12 weeks to keep the swelling in check. While compression was not required by my PS for that long I felt much better in it, especially days when I overdid it. I did not have any issues with my wounds healing and overall am thrilled with the outcome. Some things you'll want to know when selecting a PS...How many DIEP surgeries has the PS done (you'll want it to be many hundreds) and how often does the PS complete a DIEP surgery (you'll want it to be weekly)? Ideally you'll want a PS that specializes in this surgery. How many, if any, flap failures has the PS had? How many follow up surgeries does the PS expect and what would be done in each stage? Will you be able to shower with drains? Every PS is different when it comes to drains and compression. Under what circumstances would the PS use muscle and how often has the PS had to do so? A true DIEP surgery would not involve any muscle. I'm sure you'll get some other feedback. I'll pop back in if I think about anything else. Enjoy your 5 weeks off

  • CarolynAnne
    CarolynAnne Member Posts: 57
    edited June 2015

    Thanks aff! I so appreciate your input and I am really happy to hear your recovery went so well.

    I guess I am pretty overwhelmed at the length of time for recovery from surgery. Yes, we do all heal at our own rate. I'm afraid I am a slow healer so I was expecting a couple of months.

  • scary
    scary Member Posts: 213
    edited June 2015

    Thank you for the responses.  I am glad to hear that the DIEP went well, and I would consider it before I ever got another implant.  My body just doesn't like them.  Even if it does eventually fall into place, I think a round ball is so fake looking on my body.

  • happynewyorker
    happynewyorker Member Posts: 39
    edited June 2015


    Hi Scary,  sounds like you didn't have a fun time with your surgery and recovery.

    I had my drainage for 3 months and a day after the mastectomy of my right breast.  I had an opening on the flap, which kept the drainage in for a long time. Even when she flushed it, it drained more, but remained. I took antibiotics for 6 weeks, then I developed red breast.  Not common but happens to some women, I was one of those special women.

    I had my lift and removed the breast expander on May 15, 2015.  My lift breast left, was and is still swollen will be for a total of 3 months. I have 2 months left.  My new breast, still looked like what I had start calling my little football. It never looked like a breast. 

    I ran into some problems a month after having the implant inserted after the breast expander was removed. 6-15-2015, I ended up with 2 holes in my skin. My plastic surgeon removed the skin, so I had an hour worth of surgery at her office. Weird part is I can't feel anything, not even the needle. it's so weird.  Last Tuesday, 6/22/15, my implant was peaking out.  It created 2 holes, it kind of looked like liver. I took a picture. Not weird, a friend suggested to create a blog, which I plan on doing.  So, she cut more skin and tighten me up.  I didn't have a drainage and I was leaking, this wasn't helping the matter. Plus I was had no more skin to give.  On Thursday, my bandage was soaking, I emailed my plastic surgeon.  went to see her the plastic surgeon on Thursday, the implant wanted to escape my body so to speak.  Friday, June 26, 2015, I was scheduled to have the implant removed.  In the morning bandages were leaking and I changed the bandages and the implant was peeking out from 2 holes.  I had my surgery on the 26, of June.  I had an infection because of the drainage and the open air all the bacteria was going inside my breast, which caused the fever and redness.  I was freezing cold for the last couple of days. My implant was removed and I feel better. 

    I'm now taking antibiotics for 10 days 6 hours a day and 3 tablets for those 6 hours. Fluconazole to keep those nasty yeast infections away. Pain medication to help with the stitches.  Ice pack for the swelling for the next 3 or 4 days.  All in all, I feel so much better. I don't have that heavy weight feeling that I had when I had problems with the implant. I was hunched over and my neck was hurting for those 2 weeks.   

    After doing this with the breast expander for 2 1/2 months.  Having the implant for a month.  I'm told I don't need to start all over again for the next 3 months, so that my body heals.  I'm suppose to feel a whole lot better. 

    Then the expander will stay in longer, to stretch the skin more then normal.

    For me having the expander, I always felt the plate in the beginning, I felt the metal.  I was wearing a suit of amour. I couldn't sleep in my own bed for 3 months, the couch was my sleeping quarters.  it hurt when the skin stretched and pending over was a pain because the plate made it feel worse.

    I've asked my doctor about not doing the implant. She suggested different types of bras.  Or different products. 

    I'm going to wait and not do it for a while, maybe if I decide to do it I'll consider doing it, in a year or two or not at all. I found for myself I'm comfortable being flat, after I had the mastectomy and had the breast expander, I was flat for a couple of weeks.  I didn't mind it. Uncomfortable because of the plate which had the port for the silicone to be place in to expand the expander.  I first did it for my daughter because she's young and body imagine. But, I think after the experience she saw me have, and I mentioned that I had the implant removed. She (she's 11 years old), told me not to do it again, since she know how the experience was for me.  

    I heard it's a personal decision and many women don't share it. But if you can find women that are willing to share this is great.  For my own personal decision, I'm not ready to do it again. 

    I hope you can find the right answer for yourself.  Finding other women that dealt with this experience should help.  Have you tried calling Gilda club?  I've heard you can call them and they will get in contact with other women that are dealing with what you had.  And then provide additional insight on what made them decide on what they did. 

    I wish you all the best on the decision you decide. 

    Remember it's the best decision for you.

    Best regards,

    Lee

     

  • scary
    scary Member Posts: 213
    edited June 2015

    Lee, it sounds like you went through hell and back too.  I hope you feel better soon.  thank you for sharing your story.

    Wed. is another breast ultrasound, I pray they remove more fluid.  then thurs. is 2 appts.  I don't think my body likes breast implants.

    p.s.  i think i have a yeast infection now too.

     

  • happynewyorker
    happynewyorker Member Posts: 39
    edited June 2015


    Hi Scary, as your doctor to prescribe you fluconazole for the yeast infection. Ask that they prescribe a bit more so you always have them at home.

    Yes, Scary, I feel like I've been to hell and back.  Today, June 29th, I my emotions got the best of me.  I guess it's good to cry.  releases all these feelings.  today, I cry.  Tomorrow the sun returns to my heart.

    I hope you can find your way and decide what's best to you.

    I get to see my chest tomorrow. I can't wait.  I'm hoping the drainage is removed.  It's been low and that's a good sign. :)

    Lee

  • happynewyorker
    happynewyorker Member Posts: 39
    edited July 2015


    Hi Scary, I went to the doctor's today. Turns out I had staph and strep infections in my implant and surround breast (where I had the mastectomy).  I saw my chest which is pushed in. Not attractive, but it's me for the time being.  I'm on antibiotics since having my surgery on the  26th of June. taking 3 of them every 6 hours to kill the bugs. My drain came out and I was excited, the shortest time for having it in.  A small miracle for me. 

    I did develop an infection near the drainage that hurts. I do seem to be dealing with an infection since I always seem to be cold, and warm. Yikes    Pain good!! It makes you know that you're alive. 

    Turns out at work everyone (co-workers) are afraid of me and afraid to look at me. since they see that I'm in pain and they don't know how to speak to me.   Which makes me sad! I'm human and I have feelings. This seems to hurt me the most.  To think people that you have worked with for almost 20 year, now is afraid to say "hi" is sad.  I never really thought having breast cancer and dealing with the after mass would make me feel lonely. 

    Turns out I have to be monitored, to make sure my skin doesn't harden.  I guess that's the next, chapter in my life. 

    I did mention to my doctor and she and her assistant gave me a BIG hug, which was greatly appreciated. 

    I have to wait 3 months to decide to do the breast expander again. Give my body the time to heal.  I'm going to wait until next year to start again. 

    I'm going to wait until my breast that had the lift (left) heals and isn't swollen and then find out my cup size.  I'm going to invest in a silicone breast for the one that got away.

    I hope you receive positive news tomorrow when you head to the doctors. 

    Lee

  • scary
    scary Member Posts: 213
    edited July 2015

    Thank you Lee, I will continue to cross my fingers and pray for your recovery.  The PS is on vacay, but his PA said to give the implant two more weeks to settle, and for the antibiotics to get rid of the infection.  Then the infectious disease dr. put me on oral antibiotics and removed the picc line.  Today was the first time since May 17th that I took a shower without drains hanging off me, or plastic wrap over the picc line.  I will see both the PS and Infectious Disease dr. again in two weeks, and they will also talk to each other to decide if removing the implant would be the best option.  then i will try again in about a year or so.  during that time, i will concentrate on healthy eating and weight loss.  I will keep checking back here to follow your progress as well.

  • happynewyorker
    happynewyorker Member Posts: 39
    edited July 2015


    Glad to hear things look a bit better for you Scary. I also had taken my first shower after 5 weeks and It was good. :) 

    I hope the antibiotics kills the infections you are carrying. 

    If you want to consider look into Whole30 as a positive way of eating.  If you have Facebook look it to it.  You give up dairy, legumes, grain for a month. You reintroduce food after the 30 days and it's suppose to be a positive thing.  I'm in the process of starting.

    For myself scary, I've tossed and turned on redoing the expander or not. First no, then after looking at the scar, I changed my mind.  Then it was waiting until a trial at work next year, I'm a paralegal.  Then I changed my mind.  Now, I'm thinking to do my 4th surgery in September or October of this year.  For myself, I'm going to give it another go at it.  Sure having the breast expander was an experience, but it's that last chapter I'd like to close. 

    Best regards, Scary!!  I hope the infections heal and you can enjoy your implant.

     

     

  • Bogie
    Bogie Member Posts: 286
    edited July 2015

    My opinion and some doctors have told me, once you have capsular contracture, always have capsular contracture. I had 3 failed expanders and that was enough for me to find a new plastic surgeon and move on!

    I am now 4 weeks post op DIEP flap surgery from New Orleans center for restorative breast surgery and I am finally happy with my results!! It was the best decision I ever made. You really need to go to an experienced diep flap surgeon though even if it entails out of state

  • scary
    scary Member Posts: 213
    edited July 2015

    hi ladies, thank you for the responses. my surgeon does many DIEP surgeries. the problem is that i am a former smoker, and they explained about the problem with healing and the vessels and tissue possibly dying and stuff. plus i have some minor heart issues, asthma, and hypoglycemia and it is a long operation so not safe for me to be under anasthesia that long. if they did the back fat, they wouldn't have to reattach vessels because it goes over shoulder, but there is still a small implant under the tissue, so that's a no go. as far as butt fat and leg fat, i don't have enough in either place. at the last visit, the infectious disease dr. said antibiotics for one more week, but she's leaning towards removal of the implant. the plastic surgeon said wait a few more weeks. i do feel better, but i feel like once the antibiotics stop, the problem will come back. i also asked about fat grafting, but the research says that the fat doesn't stay there for long. my next appt. in aug. unless fever or pain, then they will see me asap.

  • ual0307
    ual0307 Member Posts: 62
    edited July 2015

    HI Scary

    Im sure we are all shuddering from the experiences that you have had. Everyone's worst nightmare.

    I'd like to challenge your research on the fat grafting "not lasting" I am about half way thru reconstruction with fat grafting alone and was convinced by what I read and drs. I talked too that it is "permanent". I do understand it is a new procedure, and I don't know whether it would be right for you. The choice of doctor seems to be the biggest part of the decision.

    Take care of yourself.

  • scary
    scary Member Posts: 213
    edited July 2015

    i won't give up on the fat grafting option, even though there are conflicting reports. i would love for them to suck out all my gut fat and make a boob, then whatever wears off, oh well, lol. i asked about the brava method, and they said that is what didn't last, but maybe it does on certain people. i really want to try that since boobs are mostly fat anyway.

  • ual0307
    ual0307 Member Posts: 62
    edited July 2015

    I am doing the Brava as well. Not the most fun, but not the worst by far. I too liked the "fat sucking" idea. Now, if I could just figure out how to peel of about 10 years....

    http://www.breastreconstructionandaugmentation.com/breast-reconstruction-after-mastectomy

    http://www.miamibreastcenter.com/reconstruction/af...

  • scary
    scary Member Posts: 213
    edited July 2015

    I'm with you on that one, ha ha. my dream, to suck out my stomach fat, because that my only real problem area.

  • Warrior_Woman
    Warrior_Woman Member Posts: 1,274
    edited July 2015

    Hi Scary -

    I don't know if my story will help. As you can see from my signature line I've been through the ringer with surgeries. I developed an infection that caused me to lose my implants from my first reconstruction attempt. They tried to salvage it by giving me a pic line and I met many times with the Infectious Disease Doc. As soon as the implants were removed the infection cleared up. However, I wish I told them to take out the implants instead of trying to treat me with them in. It didn't work. It caused months of agony and damaged my skin terribly. Then I started reconstruction all over again. Essentially, it was a whole extra year of surgery and I had the LD flap. Now that it's done I am glad I did it. I like how I look a lot. I feel great, have full ROM and no difficulties. The LD was considered a safer option for me as the muscle is never removed from the body. However, I was strongly considering skipping the reconstruction and just using the bra inserts. During the time I contemplated it, I felt cheated. I found a PS I have great confidence in. Ultimately, I feel like an extra year was added to my cancer sentence. The LD surgery was almost as bad as the BMX and I needed physical therapy. As I'm happy with my results I am glad I did it but it really was an awful lot to endure.

    I do hope your road is an easier one.


  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 1,433
    edited July 2015

    Hi Scary, Warrior Woman, I can empathize with what you have been going through to get reconstructed. I have had 14 surgeries including the first 2 where they chopped off my breast and then went back in to chop out 14 more lymph nodes. I have had fat grafting 5 times while using BRAVA. It worked, just not really well because the PS I was initially seeing wasn't that skilled with fat grafting. He had only done it for 10 patients before me. Experience is crucial for fat grafting to work well. I got about an A plus cup size with just the fat grafting alone. As I did suceed with some fat sticking around I was able to have a Tissue expander put in OVER my pectoral instead of under my pectoral which was how I had it done initially. Wound up taking out the TE when it was under my pectoral, too, too much discomfort. This time have a new, more skilled, kind and flexible PS who listened to me and instead put the TE under my fat grafted fat and OVER my pectoral. So very much more comfortable. Out of those many surgeries I had 2 nasty, severe infections, each time lost some part of my precious fat I had laboriously transferred to my breast. That was miserable and discouraging, but persevere must be my middle name, so I kept going, just like you ladies. Perhaps persevere is your middle name too.

    Learned a few things through all this, sometimes a bit late, but heck, it is hard work having to almost reinvent the wheel. Crucial to my current sucess with the last two surgeries has been to get IV Vitamin C. I was on 2 weeks of Cipro withe the surgery in April, had Vancomycin during the surgery. Still wasn't enough. My skin was hot, pink and I couldn't shake a fever, oh and it hurt more. Went to this Naturopath I had seen in the past and got Intravenous Vitamin C administered into my arm twice per week for 2 weeks. Was $200 per IV C, but worth every penny as each time the heat and redness stopped. Stopped all signs and symptoms of infections by the 4th time I got the IV C. I would have got it more often, but am frequently completely broke, not cheap, but worth it as now I have cleavage withe the TE. Plan implant exchange on August 6th, and lift of my real right on September 17th, six weeks later.


  • scary
    scary Member Posts: 213
    edited July 2015

    Thank you both so much for your stories. I am considering both the fat grafting and the latissimus dorsi option. i was wondering, though, if i could get the ld option without getting an implant there, since i read on some ps websites that you can do LD alone. i also read that the free flap can be done on a smoker/ex-smoker as long as you stop for 4 weeks before and after. i read so many conflicting things online. also if i do the ld flap and i only need one breast built, will my back be uneven?

    p.s. i only need them to do a b or c cup to match my reduced, non-cancer breast.

  • Warrior_Woman
    Warrior_Woman Member Posts: 1,274
    edited July 2015

    Scary,

    It is my understanding that you can do just the LD Flap. I was told that without the implants I'd be very small. Still, it saves you from the expansion process and the exchange (which were not bad at all). You must not smoke for a specified period prior to the surgery. Your PS will discuss this. Here's what I really think about the LD Flap. When it goes well women seem very happy with the results. I look much better now than I did when I had the expanders to implants. I have a natural look and the scars are around where the nipples will be tattooed so little scaring will show. I have full ROM, no pain and I can do everything now that I was able to do before the surgery. I also went out-of-network to a PS who specializes in the LD. I paid out of pocket because this is not a surgery that should be performed by someone who only does it now and then. In addition, I had PT for several months before and after the surgery at a PT center that specializes in BC treatment. In the time I've been here I've met many women who are highly satisfied with their LD results. I've also met many who have had disastrous results. I don't know if it's worse with the LD than any others but their complaints of ROM limitations, disability and pain are significant. I'm very active and it was critical for me to be able to resume all of my activities...and I have. If you do the LD, just make certain to go with someone who specializes in it and get PT.

    There is a very active LD discussion thread on BCO - https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/44/topic/...


  • scary
    scary Member Posts: 213
    edited July 2015

    thank you, i'm going to check out that thread.

  • aff
    aff Member Posts: 279
    edited July 2015

    scary - I am a former smoker and had no problem at all with DIEP. I quit smoking about 3 years before my surgery. I had smoked on and off for about 30 years (it pains me to write that but it's true).

  • ABeautifulSunset
    ABeautifulSunset Member Posts: 990
    edited July 2015

    I had fat grafting to re create both breasts after implants capsulized. My breast were hard and cold. I had 4 grafting surgeries (within 14 months) and did not use the brava system, I think because I was already stretched out from the implants. The surgeries were very hard on my body. That being said, I have soft warm breasts and I am a full B or small C. Also, I have no more fat in other parts of my body.. Tummy, back, thighs. Nice perk

    One more thing... They aren't perfect and they will never ever be the same no matter what. I had delusions of perfect breasts. Especially if you've had radiation... Not going to happen. Still, I look great in clothes and they feel good. That's my new normal.


  • scary
    scary Member Posts: 213
    edited July 2015

    the responses here are teaching me more than i learn by doing other research. thank you so much ladies.

  • StarlitMomMom
    StarlitMomMom Member Posts: 29
    edited December 2017

    Hi Scary, I feel sad when I read your story--I hope you get relief soon and believe you are amazingly brave as I read your support of so many others when they respond to your story. I also think you sound like you are in a good psychological position to wait until you heal, try to go without reconstruction for a bit after you heal, then if you decide to go with reconstruction again, go to the best possible hospital your insurance will allow you to--a center specifically dealing with breast cancer/reconstruction or a teaching hospital.

    We have financially sacrificed a lot to go to a university teaching hospital with a very good reputation for breast cancer, plastic surgery and breast reconstruction. It is about two hours away on a good driving day, and that wouldn't be bad at all except I have had some relatively minor complications that mean more trips than we could have planned. Skin necrosis from the mastectomy in three spots has been the major issue from my DIEP surgery. It was pretty obvious on day one that the areas were not surviving but my doc wanted to wait as long as possible to go back into the OR. Just one small area in the flap with problems--for cosmetic reasons my doctor wants to do skin grafting (a two surgery option, one to remove and debrid the dead skin, a second tomorrow to graft skin from my thighs to the breast areas.)

    My husband and I feel very confident with my PS and his team. My abdominal incision healed without a single problem, and my PS said he could just close the areas in my new breast areas but doing that would create cosmetic issues later which we would not be pleased with. The surgeries are taxing, getting used to going under, but won't ever be able to say I like it. Yesterday (a Saturday) we had to go to the hospital for a really stupid reason--the wound vac I have to wear during this part of the procedure of debriding then grafting got full of drainage. We didn't have an extra canister, and when using a wound vac you have to have it running and on for 22 out of 24 hours--sigh--the ps resident competently met us at the hospital, redid some of the waterproof covering and put in the new collection canister, and we went on our way.

    I think the toll on my husband is the hardest part for me. At first he was so awful in his acceptance and support--when I went through the mastectomy and was in the hospital his support began to build--and when we got home and I had some really rough pain nights, he became the most caring and compassionate person I have ever had in my life :( It is hard not to note how hard this is on him. Hoping this next surgery is the last for a while. We have lost my income completely for the last five weeks, over two weeks of his income, and we are beginning to really suffer financially with worries it could get worse before it is better.

    DIEP isn't a cakewalk, but I am certain it is the only choice that has a chance of working well for me. My body is like yours, Scary, doesn't take kindly to implants. Can't even get tooth implants as infection messed up the bone grafting for that a year or so ago.

    Take time for your decision. I am glad DIEP was available to me, but there isn't a single procedure that won't make you know you are a fighter and a warrior at the end of this.

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