Summer 2015 Rads

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  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited June 2015

    Metta, you wrote: "Now if a normal person gets a sunburn, they stay out of the sun, right? But we have to keep going to radiation every day, despite rashes and pain. It was really hard to lay there today, submit to that machine, and know that I'm going to be in worse pain tomorrow and the next day and the next. From what I've read here, it sounds like I'm going to be in pain two weeks after my last treatment, which is like a month from now!"

    That's exactly what I've been thinking every time an RO says "You'll feel like you have a sunburn." Well, most of us DON'T continuing adding to the sunburn - we stay out of the sun, baby our skin, learn from our lesson and do better next time. But in this situation we're supposed to just march into that room every single day and say 'Hey - about that sunburn? Let's do it again!' And they can't see why it aggravates us!

    Thanks for letting me vent - and for sharing your vent, too. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who finds it unreal and illogical (and I haven't even started yet).

    I will add that I am truly hoping for the best but at the same time the cavalier attitude and the brutality of the treatments really gets my goat!

  • SweetHope
    SweetHope Member Posts: 439
    edited June 2015

    Now please don't think I am being cavalier, but that next treatment may not cause more "burn". Mine didn't! Today was my third tx since I broke out in a rash Sunday, and the skin has looked and felt better each day.

  • SweetHope
    SweetHope Member Posts: 439
    edited June 2015

    My DBIL had 67 Rads in a row and his skin never changed at all!

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited June 2015

    SweetHope - you must have the world's best skin genetics!! Too bad we can't borrow them. ;)

    And no, I don't think you're being cavalier. Reading that gives me hope that it may work out o.k.

  • Midgiemoon
    Midgiemoon Member Posts: 174
    edited June 2015

    Hi,

    So my oncotype dx score came in at 15, so no chemo for me. I then met the Ro, and it's looking like 6 weeks of treatments. My sim appointment is 6/29, and rads start on 7/6. They told me to go out of town for the holiday! I work far from the cancer center so my treatments will be in the afternoons so I can become in 5 minutes. The nurse navigator thought that was a great idea...


    They recommended Aquaphor, so I'll get a sample of that from them. My weekly visit with the RO is on Tuesdays. I really liked him, he explained everything and answered all of my questions. Is it ok to mention he was quite handsome,lol!

  • Valentine99
    Valentine99 Member Posts: 75
    edited June 2015

    Metta, you WILL get through it, I promise. If your breakage gets too bad, your Dr may give you a break for a couple of days to allow you to heal. I was very fortunate in that mine didn't get too bad, and I really only had about 5 zaps left when it finally blistered. Use cool rags to help cool it down some. I know it's temporary but it does help. My dr office also gave me some cooling gel pads that feel really good under my arm.

    Dragonista, I read on the Spring rads board that someone was told not to use the aloe plant because of risk of bacteria. My first inclination would have been to use the plant because I grew up in FL and that's what we always did for sunburn. I use Fruit of the Earth aloe. There is no alcohol in it, but there are preservatives. It was also suggested to use tea tree oil mixed with coconut oil to make a salve. A friend who knows essential oils also suggested adding some lavender and I will be trying that.

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited June 2015

    I was also told about plant bacteria. Some aloe brands are preserved only with ascorbic acid (Vitamin C).

  • ORgal
    ORgal Member Posts: 56
    edited June 2015

    Hello,

    I’ve been lurking here but haven’t posted until now.  I know we are all different (size, shape, stage, grade), but I thought I’d share my experiences here as it seems different in several ways than some of yours.  Maybe it will help someone else to know.

    I met the criteria for the shorter program, so I only have 21 radiation sessions, the last 5 are boosts.  I only have 3 left and will finish Monday.  My skin is fine so far.  It is red and I am slightly swollen, but I have no itching and no broken skin.  The only thing that really bothers me is the bottom half of the scar from the lymph node removal – sensitive there but the underwire from my bra hits about there too.  I have a little fatigue in the morning but am OK once I get going.  I strongly believe exercise helps with fatigue.  I’ve been walking about 4 nights a week and riding a bike another day of the week.  I have also worked full time throughout without any issue.  Perhaps it helped that I did not have to take chemo.

    My sim was 5 days before starting.  I had those annoying stickers and couldn’t believe they stuck that long.  I got the tattoos.  There are 4 but they are so tiny I cannot even see them without my reading glasses!  I don't have one in between the girls like many of you.  I didn’t need a body form either, I just lay
    flat on my back.  From the time I walk into the room with the machine to the time I walk out is really quick, 4 minutes tops.  The all-male tech team are
    very professional and make it pleasant.  I love my RO and feel I can ask her anything and get good answers.  My MO seems surprised by my questions.

    I was told I couldn’t use any creams or anything for 2 hours prior to radiation.  I was told to only use aloe vera (with alcohol not being the first ingredient), vitamin e, or a product from colonial dames that is vitamin e with aloe vera – I’ve used that product, and several times a day.  They said nothing about deodorant so I asked.  They said recent studies showed no difference using it or not, so as long as I use it at least 2 hours prior to radiation, it is fine to use.  Glad for that since it will be upper 90’s this weekend!

    Thanks to all of you for sharing your experience as it has been a help to me getting through.  Wishing the best for all of you!

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited June 2015

    I was told today by BOTH the nurse and my RO that the plant would be great to use. Unfortunately, my cat eats any houseplant within reach, so I'll probably go with a commercial gel ;)

    I was also told it will be 7 boosts to the tumor bed rather than 5, so 35 tx. instead of 33. Kind of disappointing but that's kind of par for the course with cancer. It's so rare that anyone says 'oh, you're fine - you don't need to do (fill in the blank)....'

    So, I get to spend two extra days at radiation summer camp - lucky me!

  • RV6gal
    RV6gal Member Posts: 331
    edited June 2015

    Sweethope - so glad to hear that product cleared up the rash so fast! That's fantastic!! Congrats on completing the whole breast rads and good luck with the boosts!

    Metta - I totally get where you are coming from as I had that dread feeling as I was finishing up with rads that last week. The one spot on my underarm area was getting angrier and angrier everyday and I knew it was going to get worse before it got better. I was counting down the 2 weeks post radiation as I woke up everyday. The good thing is that it did get better and it improved more quickly then they told me it would. What helped me get through it all was to take it day by day and sometimes moment by moment and I kept telling myself that this was the last step I had to endure. I took Tylenol when I felt I had to and used the fan and cream on the area whenever I could as well. You will get through this too!

    One of my biggest challenges was finding clothes to wear once rads were done and the skin broke. I found tank tops worked the best for me. Loose clothing probably works for most people but I found it was sticking to my chest then moving around plus I couldn't put any bandages on the area. The tank tops stayed put instead. It was best if I used dark colors as well. It sounds like we are all having different treatments on different types of machines so I'm sure our experiences will be different too. I would say if you are struggling to make sure you talk with your RO and/or radiation team as I bet they have helpful suggestions for you too.


  • Gatomal
    Gatomal Member Posts: 483
    edited June 2015

    I'm sorry you felt the same metta. Did my sixth one today, so 19 to go. I get 11 doses, some as short as one second, some as long as 20 seconds, from four angles. I'm at UCSF, so the wait is generally pretty long, whole day has been running from 45 min - 1.5 hrs. With arrival,mc hanging, wait time, treatment. Every week I get new X-rays and see the doc. I got really teary again with the X-rays. I only had one tech yesterday, and I just don't think she's very good? It's not like surgery where the surgeon is cutting and watching. These are techs that go to school for 2-3 yrs irradiating you. What kind of check do they have? Does the machine not let them go off plan? I worked in transplant and the operating room myself for 10 years so I know that there are competents and incompetents. I hate it everyday, but of course will do my time. I understand it can save my life. So can kale, but yuck.

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited June 2015

    Chop up the kale and throw it in the blender with coconut water, yogurt, and some slightly defrosted frozen fruit. Quick smoothie that doesn't taste like kale.

  • Darumama
    Darumama Member Posts: 135
    edited June 2015

    I have finished five treatments and so far I have some minor redness. I also feel some tightness in my chest on my radiation side. I have a TE and that doesn't help.

    I've been seeing the same techs every day and I appreciate the continuity in care. Today I had the first appointment at 8:30 and I had to wait ten minutes because they had to wait for an MD to be on site to begin. This was the first time I had to wait beyond my appointment time. I've been lucky so far.

    As I was getting treatment today I realized I never really looked at the machine and the only part I was familiar with was the bit pointed at me. After, I told the tech I needed to have a quick look at the machine and asked if I could take a pic to show my kids. They excitedly gave me a little tour, spinning it around so I could see it in action off the table. They also explained how they line me up and showed me how they had a mask over the beam so it could be aimed more precisely. They also showed me how the table has a lattice bottom so some cancers could get treatment from the bottom with the beam pointed up. I thought it was really interesting.

    I've been wearing tank tops under my regular clothes. The tanks are getting trashed by the Aquaphor, but they were cheap at least. Since the thought of throwing out clothes, even cheap ones, bothers me a little, I've been experimenting with Aquphor stain removal. I've had some luck with scalding hot water and original Dawn dish soap, but I think it might work better with just a little stain. The tanks have gigantic stains that aren't really practical to treat. I tried Shout which always works so well with my kids clothes, but had no success. If anyone has stain removal tips I'd love to hear them.

    For those of you who haven't started yet, here's the pic of the accelerator I took to show my kids. Did they care? Not so much, LOL.

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  • movingsoccermom
    movingsoccermom Member Posts: 225
    edited June 2015

    Thanks to so many suggestions from the great ladies on the forums, I have rolled right along with great skin until last night (19/25). Stupid underarm was sore and found a 2" right triangle that has gotten no Miaderm! Ackkkk! Even getting away with my underwires. It was the top right edge of the treatment area, and I have just missed it. So frustrating. Ironically tumor area has done well, it has been the non cancer areas that have hurt....on the sternum, and in the armpit. Then today the nipple started to peel just a bit. Thank goodness for someone's nipple shield recommendation...another save! So thankful to share this experience with those who understand. Hang in there everyone!!

  • JenH2015
    JenH2015 Member Posts: 31
    edited June 2015

    Molly1976 - My RO suggested that I consider the shorter therapy (hypofractionated) when I met with her today. Like you, I have a grade 3 tumor and am HER2+. My RO clearly thinks this is a good option, or she would not have suggested it, but asked me to think about it for a few days and do some research as there is not as much data as she would like for the higher grade tumors, HER2+ tumors or younger women (I am 49 - most of the sample in the major studies were over 50). I am in the process of deciding whether to go with the shorter option - I have read a number of studies/articles that indicate for women with node negative, small tumors and clean margins it is as good and possibly better than the standard course, but there is some question about whether it is as good for grade 3 tumors (a UK study seems to indicate that it is, the Canadian study that it may not be - but the Canadian study had not focused on tumor type and did not consider the results conclusive). I would greatly prefer to go with the 4 week course (3 weeks plus a booster) as I live 110 miles from the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance where I will be getting treatment and will need to stay with friends during the week leaving my teenage kids and husband back home. It also appears that the shorter course may have fewer side effects. I just wish I knew "the answer" for how it would affect me personally. I need to figure this out this week, as we are hoping to start radiation on July 6th.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited June 2015
    That's a tough decision, Jen. TwoROs have told me that they have seen more fibrosis from the Canadian protocol, if that makes any difference to you. Of course, that's all anecdotal rather than trial evidence.
  • molly1976
    molly1976 Member Posts: 403
    edited June 2015

    JenH, I asked my RO about it on Monday, since most people on this board are not doing the hypofractionated course. She said that 90% of doctors are now doing it for small node-negative cancers in England and about 70% in Canada, but the US has been slower to adopt just because people are used to doing it the old way. She did say initially they only recommended it for 50+, but the newest data they have show it may be even better than the longer course for all cancers, so she does it for younger women now, too. I googled a lot about it, and everything I found was positive. Given all the terrible or conflicting stuff you find out there when you google other aspects of treatment (and Her2+ in general), that made it seemed like a safe bet to me.

  • dragonista17
    dragonista17 Member Posts: 50
    edited June 2015

    Valentine - never thought about bacteria from the aloe. Hmm. My RO has been recommending this for years, but I'll try to remember to ask about this. Will get some stuff in the tube, just in case. Thanks for the heads up.

  • SweetHope
    SweetHope Member Posts: 439
    edited June 2015

    Movingsoccermom, What is a nipple shield?

  • knittingPT
    knittingPT Member Posts: 156
    edited June 2015

    Good morning everyone! I, too, had been exercising (Walking 2-3 miles per day and doing gentle stretching). Then, I got a rash on my chest that was super itchy/red/bumpy. RO gave me prescription strength cortisone cream that cleaned it right up. She told me to try to stay cool when exercising and try not to sweat because the salt in the sweat is irritating. So, I've just been doing some gentle yoga, stretching, and walking in shorter doses of time (10 minutes at the time 3-4x/day) so I don't get to the dripping sweaty stage. My skin is clearing up and I am feeling pretty good. I do get tired but it also 110 in Arizona right now so that also contributes! Here is a great (and free!) online yoga video with gentle stretches for upper back and chest. I have been doing it daily and it really does help. https://www.doyogawithme.com/content/yoga-upper-ba...


  • SweetHope
    SweetHope Member Posts: 439
    edited June 2015

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    Here is my Rolls Royce.

    Had my first boost today; f.a.s.i.n.a.t.i.n.g! It was so different than what I imagined. While my regular tx was photon rads, these 7 boosts are electron rads. They are very shallow. They place a cool pad (bolus) over the area to elevate the field being treated to avoid the lung. I finally met my dosemitrist who double checked the location of the scar and tumor bed, aligned the machine with the tattoo on the sternum and added new drawings to my breast. Another lens was added to the machine and then one zap...I was done. The rest of the txs will be very quick.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited June 2015

    SweetHope - Very interesting! Thanks for the details. Your Rolls looks a lot like mine. Congratulations on starting your boosts. You're almost DONE!

    (I appreciated the suggestion of a cool cloth immediately after. I put a dampened finger towel in the freezer last night and took it along today. It felt great afterwards. I followed it with chilled aloe vera. We're going through a heat wave here and anything cooling is welcome, RT or no.)

    KnittingPT - thanks for the link. I try to get to my yoga for cancer pts. class twice a week but RT is cutting into my time already, so it's great to have this in my bag of alternatives.

  • CAMommy
    CAMommy Member Posts: 437
    edited June 2015

    add me to the list for summer rads. I will be starting August 3rd with brachytherapy radiation. So pleased I can get it done in 5 days

  • movingsoccermom
    movingsoccermom Member Posts: 225
    edited June 2015

    Hi Sweethope. I am using the nipple shields normally used when nursing a baby. The shields are about 2" in diameter and for their original purpose, absorb milk that leaks. They are soft, absorbent, and provide an extra layer of softness between the nipple and bra. They are super comfy for me now that my nipple has partially peeled and is swollen. Another poster from Spring suggested it (I think it was Spring).

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited June 2015

    CAMommy - Welcome to Radiation Summer Camp!

    I would have loved to do brachytherapy but wasn't a candidate for it (:

    It sure would be nice to have it done in 5 days....

  • Valentine99
    Valentine99 Member Posts: 75
    edited June 2015

    Welcome camommy! How nice it would have been to be done in 5 days!

  • Midgiemoon
    Midgiemoon Member Posts: 174
    edited June 2015

    I am starting rads on 7/6, and my sim/planning is Monday. I will be getting the 6 week plan. I wasn't a candidate for brachytherapy either, I wish you the best camommy!


    Any suggestions for what should be in my bag for Monday? I was planning on Motrin because of the possible stiffness from being in one position for a long time.


    Many thanks,

    ~Midgie

  • dragonista17
    dragonista17 Member Posts: 50
    edited June 2015

    Midgiemom- you and I are starting on the same day. I did the tattoos/body cast/ct scan already. My RO suggested some anti-anxiety meds so I could be comfortableo. I took a klonipin and was able to be relaxed and to meditate for the 30 mins it took for the cast to form. Didn't think I'd need it, but glad I took it. Just a thought. Not a good idea if you'll be driving:)

  • Midgiemoon
    Midgiemoon Member Posts: 174
    edited June 2015

    Dragonista, I don't have any anti anxiety meds. I wonder if they can play music or something while I am setting.... Plus I have to drive :(


  • SweetHope
    SweetHope Member Posts: 439
    edited June 2015

    Midgie, When you first get on the table, ask for the big wedge pillow for under your knees, and take your shoes off. Both really help your back. My techs play music for me, but when a rockin' Beatles tune comes on I have to remember not to tap my feet!

    If you need some modesty and have a tube top, wear it under a button front shirt. You can avoid changing into those ugly hospital gowns by just removing an arm from your shirt and pulling the tube top down to your waist...but wait until you are in the rad room.

    I love my $1.60 spaghetti strap cotton tops from Walmart. They are snug, have a long torso, and you can tuck it up under the fold to absorb perspiration and stop skin to skin friction.

    There are so many here that will be starting July 6th. Best wishes.


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