Bilateral Mastectomy vs. Tamoxifen

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whatayear
whatayear Member Posts: 7

I am at moderately high risk of breast cancer, having had an excisional biopsy of ADH. I'm 55 with very dense breasts. While I know it is drastic, I am approved for a bilateral mastectomy and need to cement my decision. I've been on Tamoxifen for 6 months. It just seems like reducing my risk to next to nothing forever beats reducing it some for a period for time, while feeling crummy all the while. If any of you have experience/insights to address any of the following concerns to help give me clarity, I would really appreciate it:

Biggest Concerns about remaining on Tamoxifen:

1. Risk reduction seems like more of a risk "deferral" since my risk will go back up after a few years following use

2. Increased risk of endometrial cancer

3. My side effects have been pretty brutal - I'm having trouble imagining 5 or 10 years of feeling this way.

4. There is a good probability of numerous biopsies, since I'm on extra surveillance with alternating Mammo/MRI every 6 month and they will biopsy anything suspicious.

5. I have very small breasts - biopsies will really take out some chunks of my little breasts and it really seems like it I get cancer, it doesn't have much place to go except near the chest wall with me being so small.

Biggest Concerns about Bilateral Mastectomy:

1. Loss of sensation - how do you deal with this aspect and how it affects sex/intimacy?

2. Recovery sounds horrendous

3. Lingering range of motion issues

4. My first grandchild is due 8 weeks following surgery date, will I be recovered enough to fully enjoy the baby and be of great help to my daughter?


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  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited June 2015

    whatayear - Your decision tree is sound. I decided to do a PBM almost four years ago. The screenings were just too much emotionally and financially. I have heard that tamoxifen can reduce breast density so that makes screening more reliable. Tamoxifen is no fun either. With the BMX I did not find the recovery that bad. The tissue expanders were tough but again there are no perfect solution. Whatever you decide please know you are not alone. Take care

    Ps the endometrial cancer risk goes from like 1 per thousand to 2 per.thousand.

    I have no range of motion issues.

  • inks
    inks Member Posts: 746
    edited June 2015

    That's a tough decision, it seems that either way there will be some side effects. As far as recovering by the time the baby comes - you may not be back to your old self by that time but you can be there for emotional support.

  • Ddw79
    Ddw79 Member Posts: 533
    edited June 2015

    I am in the exact same position. I am 63 with ADH on recent biopsy. I just had second opinion from top BC doc and researcher at Dana Farber. She said I should not take any risk reducing drugs. I am really caught between a rock and hard place . She feels the drugs too dangerous in my case due to two very serious co morbid diseases. She said if I get cancer I will have to take these drugs but I should not take them now. I was blown away by this opinion. First opinion was the opposite. No one has ever mentioned BMXfor ADH. I'm surprised that this was suggested to you? Or even insurance aapproved..?

  • whatayear
    whatayear Member Posts: 7
    edited June 2015

    thanks so much farmerlucy -

    Do you have any personal insight as to how I might feel physically after 7-8 weeks out of surgery? I know every woman is different, but I do worry about being able to be a great Mom and grandma when our grand baby is born. Is it probably I can walk the floor with the baby on my shoulder, rock the baby, etc. so my daughter can rest, that sort of thing?

  • Ddw79
    Ddw79 Member Posts: 533
    edited June 2015

    Can you say what the thinking is behind bmx for ADH? I've seen so many docs about this but this has not been recommended . Are you at genetic high risk possibly? Worried now about why this hasn't been on my plate too. Thank you . Good luck with whatever you choose to do

  • whatayear
    whatayear Member Posts: 7
    edited June 2015

    Ddw79-

    It isn't really recommended and certainly not the "norm". I believe Tamoxifen and close surveillance are the generally recommended first course of action. However, my surgeon, onc, gyn and insurance are all behind the procedure if I'm sure it is what I want. I know it is really drastic for ADH, but as I listed above in my post, my side effects of Tamoxifen have been pretty life changing and feeling like this for 5-10 years, only to still have higher cancer risk after that is unsettling for me. I'm also quite the worrier, so peace of mind plays into it. So, for me, the trade off of BMX, while drastic, may be worth it.....but probably not worth it for many others. I'm also lucky to have insurance that does approve of it for ADH - which is not always the case. And, I certainly feel lucky to have the choice -- I know others face the decision out of necessity. Still, with the option is available, I'm strongly considering it.


  • Ddw79
    Ddw79 Member Posts: 533
    edited June 2015
    1. I appreciate your response whatayear. I understand your decision too. I haven't given this possibility a lot of thought. I did have a prophylactic oophorectomy twenty years ago so I know what a hard decision this is. This one for me is so much harder than the ooph and I can't even take any of the preventive drugs. I feel like I am sitting on a powder keg now so I understand your anxiety. My doc at a very respected cancer center didn't even recommend close monitoring. She told me that my risk over the average person my age is now 30% higher.
    2. I am a worrier too but I think that type 1 Diabetes in insulin 24/7 and chronic Pancreatitis which leaves me hospitalized for days yearly is all I can worry about. It's just so different in my case and my doc seems to get this . Basically she told me that I need to deal now with all that I DO have and put what I don't yet have on the back burner. It's hard but I kind of think she's correct... In my case. If I were more " normal" I might be doing just what you are . Keep us posted
    3. ((( hugs))
  • whatayear
    whatayear Member Posts: 7
    edited June 2015

    Ddw79

    I'm so sorry for all you're going through - it sounds like your life is beyond challenging. I'm glad your doctor is helping you focus on first things first. I will keep you in my thoughts. Thank you so much for your kind response to what probably seems to others like kinda trivial issue.


  • Ddw79
    Ddw79 Member Posts: 533
    edited June 2015

    My life is already truly beyond challenging and ADH makes it just horrifying. I understand you completely though and I wish you great strength both in your courageous decision and whatever comes next . Bottom line is that we try to save our lives as best we can and for that we need not disdain but applause

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited June 2015

    WAY - You absolutely should be able to do all those things. I'm not clear if you are having recon or not. Either way you should ls be fine. I had pretty strong pecs and my one and only fill was rough. You could have your PS delay fills or go low and slow w the fills. It will be ok. The best feeling in the world was when I woke up from the Mx thinking I'd outran the beast. Three days later the path report proved otherwise but that made the PBM a very good thing

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited June 2015

    WAY - You absolutely should be able to do all those things. I'm not clear if you are having recon or not. Either way you should be fine. I had pretty strong pecs and my one and only fill was rough. You could have your PS delay fills or go low and slow w the fills. It will be ok. The best feeling in the world was when I woke up from the Mx thinking I'd outrun the beast. Three days later the path report proved otherwise but that made the PBM a very good thing

  • Sue111
    Sue111 Member Posts: 3
    edited July 2015

    hi Whatayear,

    Like you, I was a size 34A, with heterogeneously dense tissue, and diagnosed with ADH on St Patrick's Day. I pushed for an MRI, and was stunned to learn the ADH lesion was 2x larger than the mammogram revealed. They told me the MRI had more range than a mammogram, and this was further back near my chest wall where mammograms can't reach. That was my turning point. I underwent prophylactic bilateral nipple-sparing and skin sparing mastectomies with immediate DIEP Flap reconstruction on June 8, which was 7 weeks ago. I'm back to being my 34A, and couldn't be happier; my new breasts were made from cake, cookies and ice cream from a little belly I could never exercise away!

    I am 51, and have spent the past 15 years feeling like a lab rat with mammogram call-backs, stereotactic biopsies, MRIs and ultrasounds, all with negative results. Once I learned I had ADH, I was ready to stop playing this game, as I did not want Tamoxifen to impact my quality of life. A significant lumpectomy with scar tissue on my already small, dense breast made no sense. The MRI was my nail in the coffin; in my case, insurance dictates i would wait another year for an MRI. We just proved what the mammogram missed on me, and none of this ever showed up in the past 3 years of mammograms.

    The surgeons at Beth Israel agreed this was a smart decision in my case, once they listened to my rationale. To be fair, when I first indicated I wanted this, my surgeon said "you are 10 steps ahead of the game". But after I spelled out my last 15 years of "being in the game", and explained myself with facts similar to yours, she said " wow, you've really given this a lot of thought! I completely get it now!".

    I had no surgical setbacks, no cancer was found through pathology, and I feel wonderful - emotionally and physically. I rollerbladed 16 miles on Saturday, and feel like the old me in my recovery journey. By 3 weeks I was walking outside quite a bit, and was gaining range of motion back. Best advice is to follow your heart and gut with your decision. I will say that quite a few friends shared with me that they would have done the same thing I did, especially given the reconstruction options available these days; many had disbelief you can get tummy tuck boobs now! Some also wished their loved ones would have taken this aggressive step too. To be honest, i expected pushback from friends with my decision. I was completely surprised how many of them said they too would make the same choice. Some even told me my decision made them rethink their position on mastectomies

    At the end of the day, it is your decision how you want to live life.

  • MsVeryDenseBreasts
    MsVeryDenseBreasts Member Posts: 100
    edited July 2015

    Whatayear, for what it's worth, I am similar in age (53) and a lot of my situation is similar to yours....but with classic LCIS....very dense breasts, multiple biopsies etc. The points you laid out in your post are exactly the same things I'm thinking about re: SERMS/AIs vs. PBMX. I'll be consulting with surgeons and oncologists in August and need to make a decision in less than 6 mos....likely more like 3 mos. Have you made your decision? Best of luck and peace of mind to you. If you've had any further revelations since this last post, please share. It's helpful to hear from others who understand what it's like to live with these circumstances.

  • marketingmama
    marketingmama Member Posts: 161
    edited July 2015

    Hi All. I was accidentally diagnosed with LCIS after undergoing what I thought would be a simple breast reduction/lift. Big shocker when my PS said pathology found abnormalities. Never expected to have breast issues as I have zero family history, had two children. No obvious risk factors. Just extremely dense breasts. I was totally shocked. Anyway, I saw two surgeons plus spoke with my GYN over the course of 6 months before deciding on PBMX. My risk was calculated at 40%. I was offered Tamox but didn't want to take it. Some do fine on it but I was worried about side effects. It was a huge decision but one made over time and with the love and support of my DH (who didn't want to worry about me for the rest of our lives!). After all was said and done, I knew I didn't want to face MRIs and mammos every 6 months for the rest of my life. I just turned 50 (today!) so seemed like a long journey of wondering and worrying if/when the next shoe would drop. And I knew I didn't want to wait for cancer and have to face chemo and rads. In many ways I felt I had the gift of prevention, which so many women don't.

    Anyway, had my nipple sparing PBMX in May with tissue expanders. I'm almost done with expansion and hope to have my exchange in late August or early September. The surgery was hard but not awful and I had loved ones to help me during the first few weeks. I've been through a number of surgeries so I wasn't afraid per se and sort of knew what to expect in terms of prep and needing time off and staying on top of pain. Hardest part for me was emotional. Losing your breasts is not easy. I'm not gonna lie. I have my nipples but I hate and even mourn the fact that I have no sensation in them. I think I'll look fine (maybe even great if i'm lucky) when my PS is done with me but I am not happy to be numb. It's all a tradeoff and an intensely personal decision.

    I do not for a minute regret my decision. My surgeon found LCIS all over both my breasts on pathology but no malignancy. This was a blessing. And he said we made the right decision because I was likely to eventually develop something worse.

    My advice is to take your time, know that docs and oncs may have differing views (which can get very confusing) and then follow your heart. Ultimately only you can make this decision.

  • Ddw79
    Ddw79 Member Posts: 533
    edited July 2015

    thank you so much for sharing your story. I am on a very similar journey and in the middle of deciding what to do. I really appreciate your honesty and willingness to share your decision making and story

  • Ridley
    Ridley Member Posts: 634
    edited July 2015

    Hi Whatayear -- i ended up with bilat mastecomties -- one recommended by my team and one my decision. Before the recommendation, I was still considering going that route, and also took into consideration my current support system in place as well as my own health re: being able to recover. I can't think of anything else that you haven't listed on the mastectomy list.

    re: recovery -- I had DIEP reconstruction -- was really lucky re: range of motion/pain -- at about 8 weeks, I was on the beach for a week in Punta Cana -- walking fine, and enjoying a week in the shade, so I could totally see you being able to walk the floors with a little one by then, but everyone's different. Is there an option to delay surgery until after the baby is here for a while?

    As for tamox -- I've been on it now for about 22 months -- I think my toughest time with it was at about the 6 month mark -- it started impacting my mood and I could feel myself sliding into what I thought was some type of depression. That along with hot flashes lead me to try a low dose of Effexor -- I've been on that ever since and it has helped.

    Good luck with your decision!

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