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JaneQPoppy
JaneQPoppy Member Posts: 141

This board is such a wealth of information and a great community, but when I see a thread that is exactly what I want to know about, and I see that there are over 20,000 posts-- holy cow! How is anyone supposed to wade into that? Most times I've just logged off.

It's like arriving at a library and finding that the books are shelved in the order they were returned. I feel lost when I get here. Even a search produces posts that are part of long ongoing conversations where the posters do not quote the posts they are replying to! (I complained about this here before.) I so need and want the information contained in these discussions, but I'm daunted by the massive amount of information and the lack of moderation to control the unwieldy growth... like a garden that is never weeded or pruned.

I'm not a message board newbie. I've even moderated a couple of boards. I don't know how to gain a foothold here.

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited June 2015

    JaneQPoppy,

    Thank you for your feedback. Unfortunately, there's no way for us to censor how long threads should go on for -- they organically turn into ongoing conversations and there IS a wealth of info located therein. We can understand the need to quickly get the answers to your questions, but the best way to do that is to use the search function, in sentences or phrases specific to what you're looking for, and find a thread that is discussing that topic. You can always add your question to the end of the thread; even if it's already been discussed, our members are always happy to help! You can always start your own topic asking your question, too. Or, you may want to send a private message to a member who seems to have been involved in a conversation you are interested in to find out the answer to their question...

    We're sorry there's not an easy answer for you, but we'll take your feedback into consideration.

    Thanks!

  • JaneQPoppy
    JaneQPoppy Member Posts: 141
    edited June 2015

    For example, I'm going to be going on Arimidex in about six weeks. The thread "For Arimidex (Anastrozole) users..." is 335 pages long and has over 10,000 posts!! How does it serve anyone to allow threads to go on for 10,000 posts or more? It's not about "quickly" getting to answers.. Where do I even jump in? .

    You said, "there's no way for us to censor how long threads should go on for" -- don't call it "censorship." Censorship is editing people's words or forbidding them to speak. That's not what I'm suggesting. You can set a length, say, 500 or even 1,000 posts, and then lock the thread and immediately open another one to continue the conversation. That isn't censorship; it's moderating. It's keeping control of the board and not letting the threads run wild.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited June 2015

    JaneQ -Welcome to BCO. Sorry for your diagnosis.

    I don't agree about cutting off the threads. Many of us have formed lasting friendships that continue for years. Most would be devastated if those people they have connected with were cut off - not to mention the wealth of knowledge going back many years. When I joined BCO, I found a couple of threads that interested me and read at random over lots of pages. Once I felt that the topic was one germane to my needs, I jumped in with a question or two to start. That reading also gave me a sense of which groups I felt most comfortable with. I think you'll find that all of the threads (particularly the long ones) have members that will be more than happy to answer your post & your questions, and even point to you to other pertinent threads.

    That said, I'm sorry I'm not ER/PR positive so I'm unable to point you in that direction. Hang in there. I believe you'll find several places to get answers.


  • dltnhm
    dltnhm Member Posts: 873
    edited June 2015

    I understand that you are frustrated. Long threads when you are seeking specific information can seem daunting. However, I fail to see where having 25-30 threads locked at 500 or 1000 posts would be especially helpful if the "conversation" continues from thread to thread. At least with the 335 pages, you can choose to pick more current years or check across time.

    It truly depends on the day for me - sometimes I find all the pats on the back, thumbs ups, off topic conversations, etc make it difficult to get to the meat in the threads. Other days I'm thankful for the camaraderie that all of those same things bear witness to.

    On the particular thread you mentioned, there is a constant back and forth. One poster in particular tells her horror story with AIs almost every single day. To attempt to balance the horror, others will remind the board that many have no side effects and often those with no trouble are not posting but "out living life." Pages and pages and pages of the same but all well intentioned posters trying to share.

    One of the problems with the lengthy pages has to do with the reworking of the profile information at the bottom of each post. When BCO reworked this, it ended up having multitudes of redundant information per person. I've not updated mine because I did not want to add to the extra stuff. In addition, I think my profile is easier to read and easier for someone to get the facts fast. Pretty much the only thing I would change would be letting others know that my grade, stage, etc was not known on that initial November diagnosis date. There are posters who have profiles that go on for almost or a whole screen on my iphone. It's too much. This has been pointed out and supposedly is being dealt with in some form or fashion.

    It's not perfect. And the mods do the best with the hand they are dealt. Again - sorry for your frustration.

    Diana

  • loriekg
    loriekg Member Posts: 263
    edited June 2015

    Hi JaneQPoppy! When I've stumbled upon a thread like that, and not wanting to read all those pages, I have just gone to the bottom, picked another page, and jumped way ahead to the middle of the thread, or the end of the thread. That would seem to accomplish the same thing as having the mods break it up and instantly start a new thread.

  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited June 2015

    you could also start with a new post and create your own forum with your specific questions. The women on here are super generous and you will almost always get relevant responses. If I see a super long post, I jump to a more current year because treatments have changed so much that older posts may not be as valuable or accurate. As an example, Perjeta used to be used metastatic, then neoadjuvant, but is now used as an adjuvant treatment for all stages. But if you look back to older posts, you will see people saying it isn't used as an adjuvant treatment for stage 1, which is not the case anymore. That might help you some too

  • BrooksideVT
    BrooksideVT Member Posts: 2,211
    edited June 2015

    Jane, frankly, the threads with the most posts have survived because they are so very meaningful to so many of us. If you have a question (or, most probably, like many of us, oodles of questions) about arimidex, just post your question on an arimidex thread, and you will receive responses. You can also start your own thread with a specific question, but do keep in mind that those of us who have been around for a while mark specific threads as "Favorites," receive a notification when someone posts on a favorite, and may completely miss a new thread, thereby limiting your potential responses.

    To help you get oriented, perhaps you might think of these threads as a big family sitting around the dinner table, with lots of conversations going on all at once. Just like anywhere else, you just jump into the conversation, with exactly the same language you would use in a family group, and like a family, some will respond, and some will continue with their own agendas. If you are looking to use a thread as general research, you might begin reading the posts from about the time you were diagnosed, or whenever the treatment or issue became important to you. For me, right after dx, I was absolutely mesmerized by the "In Shock" thread, which started about the time I was in shock myself. I followed that thread eagerly, and, although I don't think I ever posted there, still miss the wonderful writings of its originator (BennyMuffins, where are you?).

    One of the best things about some of the ongoing threads is that the members develop friendships, both cyber and real. I've met two wonderful women who post on my favorite thread, and hope to meet a couple more. ( I live in southern Vermont and will be travelling down to CT and Long Island before long, so any readers along I-91 and I-95, do feel free to PM me.) The downside of the more successful threads for new members, of course, is that the conversations tend to stray from the titular subject of the post, moving toward individual support. The upside, of course, is that this support is readily available. And, of course, just a specific question brings everyone right back into the thread's focus.

    Just relax and jump in. The water's fine.

  • Nomatterwhat
    Nomatterwhat Member Posts: 587
    edited June 2015

    I have to agree with the ladies, Jane, I have only been on these boards since August 2014 and I started out reading threads from the very beginning and quickly learned to find a spot in the thread that interested me and went from there.  I have made some great friends on the threads and have received so much help from different ladies that I would hate to lose those threads that are so valuable to me and helped me through my darkest days into my best days. 

    I still go back and read some of the older threads just to remind myself what I have been through and my outlook on things at that point in my life.  It also reminds me that, not only did I get a lot of help and guidance, but I also gave it and that is how my friendships have developed with some ladies.  As I said, I had surgery in August 2014 and started chemo later that month and have developed strong friendships with the ladies in the "September 2014 starting chemo", because I had been there already. 

    There are a great bunch of ladies on these threads and when you get involved, before you know it, you will have many cyber-friends and have many favorite topic sites.  Come on in, it is great!!!!!! 

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited June 2015

    JaneQPoppy, I know you have probably already noticed this, but I thought I would mention that when you do a keyword search, the results are shown by date; but at the bottom of the screen you can click on "sort by relevancy" instead. That helps me a lot.

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited June 2015

    I think that locking the threads after a certain number of posts would effectively "bury" it, never to be seen again. When somebody finds an old thread that is relevant to them, then if they post on it, it bumps it to the active page. And then another women might see it, and enjoy or learn something from it. There is actually one I found once that is hilarious called "lets do our own study on how we got breast cancer." And I would have hated missing out on that one! Periodically, it goes inactive for a while, but there are some great women there.

    I have really gotten to know and love some of the women who have passed from reading older threads too. I wouldn't know them at all, because I almost never use the search function (although I am really happy that it is there for when I do) if someone had not posted on it. Bco is a unique social experiment that seems to be working just fine the way it is. The only thing I would change is some of the clumsiness and length of the DX signature. Maybe it would be better if we only saw all that by clicking on a poster's name?

    In a way, it is like a library, with a bunch of information, and I for one really enjoy studying how treatments have changed over the years.

    Plus, I always want my older posts available to me, like a diary, to see how I have changed too.

    You are pretty much a newbie here and are already wanting to try and figure out how you would run the show?

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited June 2015

    For me its like friendships and relationships, it takes a bit of effort but the effort is worthwhile, the forum is broken down in to relevant sections to make it more user friendly and I still use the search function at times too..........sorry you are struggling but I hope you persevere and if you have constructive ideas then do send a private message to the Mods as they DO listen and reply very promptly

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited June 2015

    I have found that if I ask a question in a long thread, someone will recap the answer. If it was in another thread, they say "seatcjh for the old thread" and I often can't find an answer.

  • JaneQPoppy
    JaneQPoppy Member Posts: 141
    edited June 2015

    Tomboy said, "You are pretty much a newbie here and are already wanting to try and figure out how you would run the show?"

    Ouch!

    So...keep my concerns to myself, eh?

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited June 2015

    JaneQ - As you can see, most of us get very passionate about the threads & people who have supported us through our own nightmares. And BC is certainly a nightmare. As I said in the beginning, I do believe you will find that most of the threads that have been going for a long time will welcome your questions and concerns and happily re-cap things that have been said before if you don't want to read previous posts.

    So ... I'm in Houston. I've had my treatments & surgeries at Baylor, Methodist & MD Anderson. Where in Texas are you?

  • BrooksideVT
    BrooksideVT Member Posts: 2,211
    edited June 2015

    Jane, a number of us have replied to your post. I wonder whether you find our reponses helpful in understanding a bit more about these threads?

    Also, you indicated some specific concern/s about your upcoming introduction to arimidex. If you'd like to post those concerns, either on this thread or one of the more established threads (more established = more readers, ergo more potential responses), please do so. As the number of responses you've already received demonstrates, we are all here to help you because, of course, others have helped us and continue to do so, as those durned issues just keep appearing.

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited June 2015

    It's great you can voice your concerns here! Just sayin! I do hope arimidex is kind to you. What is your question about it?

  • Deblc
    Deblc Member Posts: 479
    edited June 2015

    Jane I agree with you ...it's hard to wade through 300 pages looking for info. The most frustrating to me is when a thread turns into a social gathering place, that has nothing to do with the original topic. As many have said, they value the thread for exactly that reason (chatting with friends) but as a newbie, I posted on a couple of those types of threads with questions, and never got any meaningful response, because everyone who had input in the original topic had moved on, while the remaining posters were just socializing. Nothing wrong with that, but it makes it hard to get info sometimes. And when you start a new thread, you don't have the mine of information that was in the old thread.

    Also I find the search doesn't work very well either.

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited June 2015

    Hi guys, . When I first came here, I used the search function a lot, and also the active threads. I don't think I even added any favorites for almost two years! But, when i would go to a thread, i did like wading through it, up to a point. Then I would randomly skip ahead. or, sometimes i would just skip to the last post. That's always an option. I hope I didn't offend you, JaneQPoppy. That wasn't my intention.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited June 2015

    Why not start a new thread with your question? I am not sure why this is an issue unless it is just one of those days when everything is an issue. I have many of those. :-)

  • AmyQ
    AmyQ Member Posts: 2,182
    edited June 2015

    wrenn, I've missed you - nice to hear from you again.

    Amy

  • Lucy55
    Lucy55 Member Posts: 3,044
    edited June 2015

    I actually like it how it is.. There are threads to go to..or you can start a new one.. if you are after quick information... and then there are other threads I go on.. to sit and chat .. and be amongst friends who I know "get it " if I'm having a down day.. Those are the threads I treasure most.. They have been my life saver.

  • Deblc
    Deblc Member Posts: 479
    edited June 2015

    Wrenn.... I don't think it's an "issue", any more than anything than anyone else posts is an "issue". Jane has a legitimate query. Why is she being lambasted for posting it? Maybe that's why she hasn't come back to the thread.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited June 2015

    i didn't think i was lambasting but simply comiserating. *shrug*

    Thank you AmyQ.

  • Deblc
    Deblc Member Posts: 479
    edited June 2015

    Wrenn. Sorry,it seems I misunderstood what you were saying then

  • Nomatterwhat
    Nomatterwhat Member Posts: 587
    edited June 2015

    Amy, how are you doing with your new look?

  • Cowgirl13
    Cowgirl13 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited June 2015

    i've been on this board for almost 6 years now. I love the long threads and its true that you really get to know people.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited June 2015

    The home page has tons and tons of valuable information (without the chit-chat). If you have a specific question for which you want a specific answer, for best results definiitely start your own thread. Discussion Boards are for, well, discussions. Like someone else said, it's kind of like sitting around the kitchen table with a big family...talk, talk, talk!

  • Teakie88
    Teakie88 Member Posts: 226
    edited June 2015

    Just saw this thread. It's an interesting point about how many pages are tied in with one thread, but that just tells me for the most part that the thread has been relevant previously and must still be relevant to many people. I sometimes have trouble getting through all the pages as well, but if i think the thread is important, I'll skim the posts for what I want or i'll just go to the search with some key words to help narrow down some of the threads specifically. I agree with some that these threads and posts have created lifetime friendships and support that we at BCO need. Yes, people get off topic sometimes and elaborate maybe more than necessary, but all in all, this is a sounding board for the good, bad, and the ugly. I think we all agree that to not have this site to express our deepest thoughts, concerns, and even happy moments, would be a tremendous loss for all of us. Just my thoughts. Ann

  • JaneQPoppy
    JaneQPoppy Member Posts: 141
    edited June 2015

    Ann said, "I think we all agree that to not have this site to express our deepest thoughts, concerns, and even happy moments, would be a tremendous loss for all of us."

    If ANYONE thinks I was saying this-- this we should not have this site-- be advised that you are way off base. Surely, Ann, you didn't get that message from my posts?? I understand the value of message boards and cyber friends. We meet people through the internet that we never would have had the opportunity to meet in person, and they add immensely to our lives. It has happened for me on several message boards over the past 20 years. Sometimes we go on to meet in person, as I have with a couple of internet communities I belong to.

    Thank you to those people who supported my point.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited July 2015

    Janie, it's seems with your statement that you've terminated the conversation. Plus, you thank those that supported your position which by exclusion, negates those that you perceive don't support your position.

    Just b/c you have a past experience elsewhere that was run differently, doesn't allow you to ramrod your perception of how we should be.

    You have had responses from many long time caring members that have defined how the discussion boards run. Every post gives a clue. But each of your posts wants us to bend to your perception. Not gonna happen.

    Every person is welcome to BCO, but insulting how we are, what we are, and the function of the boards makes it hard for us to throw our arms around you. But each poster has. Did you hear it? Did you feel it?

    They're four types of thread. Technical ie. ports, social, technical turned to social i.e each chemo group, Arimedex. Chit forget the fourth. Maybe technical that wore itself out and succumbed to very appropriate punning i.e.constipation.

    Lurk awhile to determine if a thread fits you.

    The discussion boards are for discussion, did you do your homework first by reading the main boards?

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