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  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited June 2015

    Marla, I'm glad your head feels better, but that had to feel so weird. I was afraid of letting that happen, so I got mine cut to about 1/4". The short pieces are still shedding though. I hate the way I look, but I think a shiny bald head would look even worse. I dunno. It's nice for keeping cool though. I don't always cover it up in the house or in the yard. I do need to work on learning how to apply makeup properly. I'm sure that would make a huge difference.

  • MarlanaB
    MarlanaB Member Posts: 292
    edited June 2015

    thanks, dunesleeper--it was pretty surreal. Luckily, I cut it in a bob last week or it would have been worse.

  • Shanann
    Shanann Member Posts: 106
    edited June 2015

    Here I am- 11 days after 2nd treatment, and I can actually taste my coffee. I should have gone bald, because ladies! My head itches, and continues to shed. Oh well! We knew this would happen, and I have no idea whether it would have been better to shave it bald, or buzz it, but I did find some nice soft scarves, and a lightweight wig for work. My son thought I should only buzz it, and that way I'd have something to begin anew with, but I continue to rub it off. It's kinda like, I'd imagine, rubbing the belly of Budha. I bought some all natural coconut oil for the top of my head as suggested by some of you ladies in earlier posts. I am NOT looking forward to Wednesday (treatment #3)- at the same time, I want to be done with it. I am thinking I'll loose my eyebrows with the next two treatments, since there's not much hair on my head to be picked on. Good news! I don't have to pluck the chin hairs. They were sparsley there a few days ago, and just kinda fell out when I touched them with the tweezers. Weird!! On another good note: We are big (brave), bald, and beautiful in the dead of summer when it's the hottest. AND! We're blessed to not have to go thru this in the Winter. Imagine how down our imune systems are, and all else we'd have to battle, like the flu! And, freezing our heads off! LOL I hope you are all enjoying the weekend.

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  • tjh
    tjh Member Posts: 469
    edited June 2015


    I got a lot of good tips from the LGFB workshop...bad reaction to makeup, but good tips to use with my makeup brand. I am going outside today, the sun is finally shining. I did need a nausea pill this AM, not sure why it hits me during the 2nd week for a couple of days. The pills work, so all is good. This week we have Percussion Camp at the University for the 13 year old, hoping the days are sunny so I can do some walking and bike riding.

  • Shanann
    Shanann Member Posts: 106
    edited June 2015

    TJH- you have a lot of energy! Before chemo I liked to sit in the sun for a short while every day. I can't stand the heat now, and to think you are bike riding in it!! You go girl!! I like to hike. I am looking forward to gradually getting back into hiking in the fall after treatments are over.

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited June 2015

    Some women get relief from the aching prickles by using a lint roller (new sheet, of course) on the scalp after a shower and before moisturizing. It feels weird, but it can also be a relief.

  • Shanann
    Shanann Member Posts: 106
    edited June 2015

    Ksusan- that's a great idea. I'll try it. It might also grab those loose hairs, or what's left of them.

  • Scarlett152
    Scarlett152 Member Posts: 175
    edited June 2015

    Well ended up in the ER all day yesterday, 16 days post second TC. STARTED TO FEEL VERY LETHARGIC Friday afternoon and then got a fever over night. Called the oncology on call doc and she sent me to ER. Good news is that red and white blood cell counts were good. White was actually high. EKG was normal despite elevated heart rate and chest X-Ray was clear. They decided it was just an unfortunate virus, not chemo related and sent me home. Fever is down with Advil, but I'm wiped out. What is the rule about Advil and chemo? The ER docs could not get ahold of the oncologist. I know Tylenol is bad for liver pre-chemo, but not sure about Advil.

    Having a foggy June Gloom morning here in the Bay Area so a good day so stay in bed and rest!

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited June 2015

    Here's a new one for you......may be TMI, but it is what it is. I have been doing the salt water and soda mouth swishes many times a day. No mouth problems and I am post second treatment of T/C. I cannot take showers because I cannot get my power line wet, but I do take daily baths. I also use Pampers sensitive skin wipes every time I use the bathroom. Friday night I noticed the area around my vagina being sore. Saturday morning I had several sores in that area. I tried calling the hotline to have someone call me. I was told that was only for emergencies. No one would call lo me until Monday. (Then why have a hotline?) OK, maybe it was not an emergency, but I am on Coumiden because I had a blood clot after treatment 1. So, I cannot use many topical creams because of interactions. So, the only thing I knew that would be OK, would be to try the soda and salt water there too.....and wait until Monday. I googled this, and, yes, it does happen. Suggested using Balneal cream, but I don't know if that would interact with Coumiden. Anyone knowledgable in this SE, let me know! Ouch

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited June 2015

    I was told only Tylenol.

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited June 2015

    I just read what you said about Tylenol. I was told Advil, Alive, etc. was bad for the kidneys. I wish there was some consistency. I just take nothing! Just put up with the pain. There is already too much going into my body. Never was a medicine person and don't like it!

  • Shanann
    Shanann Member Posts: 106
    edited June 2015

    I agree with you, mysunshine! I can't remember what the oncologist told me I COULD take, but I do remember that he said I could NO take Tylenol nor can I take Ibuprofen, because we have mets in the liver. I got this from a pharmacist: Oxycontin does not contain Tylenol or Ibuprofen. Also, Oxycodone is availabe as a 5mg tablet that is short-acting for breakthrough pain, and does not contain Tylenol.

  • tjh
    tjh Member Posts: 469
    edited June 2015

    I was told Aleve or Advil/ ibuprofen. For my bone pain after shot...Vicodin

  • Shanann
    Shanann Member Posts: 106
    edited June 2015

    I guess we're each told something a little different, and mabye because we're on slightly different regimes. I dunno!

  • Magnolia83
    Magnolia83 Member Posts: 99
    edited June 2015

    My MO suggested Tylenol because Advil can cause tummy issues and as she put it, "chemo is already doing a number on that area". Funny that different doctors have different philosophies...although it could be our individual regimens/circumstances as well.

    Hope everyone's having a nice weekend! I have been so lethargic lately...thinking my RBC's might be a little low because I'm getting winded fairly easily. FINAL AC is this coming Thursday...ahhh! Happy I'm almost done with this particular poison, but sad I have to deal with SE's again in a few days :

  • tjh
    tjh Member Posts: 469
    edited June 2015

    I am exhausted and have the diarerria...I am ready to feel the same 2 days in a row. I want to be normal. I am very glad I only have 2 more spa visits left.

  • Shanann
    Shanann Member Posts: 106
    edited June 2015

    I have diarehea today too! I've been laying in bed all day feeling blah. I ate lasagna last night, and I think that's the reason. My MO told me to eat a bland diet, but since i was feeling much better, and could taste my coffee... I thought I could handle lasagna. NOPE!

  • JenJenJen
    JenJenJen Member Posts: 39
    edited June 2015

    Tylenol is probably the go-to medicine for mild pain while you're on chemo. It is cleared by the liver so if you have any liver problems like liver mets then you should probably avoid this. For Advil/Naproxen/Aleve/ibuprofen, those are cleared by the kidneys and these cause bleeding problems. While you're on chemo, your blood counts fall and increase your risk of bleeding so you should probably be avoiding things like Advil/Naproxen/Aleve/ibuprofen. Like Shanann said, there are stronger pain pills out there like Oxycodone which do not contain Tylenol or Advil.

    Mysunshine, from what I could tell the Balneol cream seems to be ok with Coumadin. It looks like Balneol only contains ingredients for a cream or lotion and nothing in the ingredients look like they interact with Coumadin.

    Magnolia, so happy for you! Can't wait to say that my last AC is coming up. Just had my 3rd AC on Wednesday and feel very lethargic. I am having pain or very sore throughout my whole body. I feel like every one of my ribs hurt and my body is very tender to the touch. It feels like I'm bruised up all over. Anyone ever felt this?

  • rosesrx
    rosesrx Member Posts: 458
    edited June 2015

    I figured tylenol was ok since it is a premed for Herceptin. I am on chronic nsaid for arthritis but will ask again about that due to bleeding gums,  bloody nose and easy bruising.  I don't have liver mets,  so ask the MO. I did up my dose of pepcid (famotidine) for the indigestion which hasn't been as bad this time. The legs,  hips and thighs are aching today. Day 4 post #2. (Counting spa day as 0) 

    The sticky lint roller to the head is a 3 sheet twice daily occurance it is so nice not to have to scape the chin. I had one relentlant nurse comment about the hair… love the color,  it's so healthy,  it's so thick,  I love the cut… got flustered and mouthed its a wig,  shoul have just kept saying thanks. Live and learn. 

    Sorry for the probllems in the netherlands. Baking soda would probably feel better than a vinegar soak to restore the ph and soothe. A protective barrier like balneal after cleansing is an excellent idea.

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited June 2015


    Thanks. I don't know if the baking soda and salt are doing much, but I don't think it is any worse. I did read about Balneol from Mr. Google and ordered dime from Amazon. Too bad I have to find out what to do by googling it and not my MO who is making mega bucks! I am going to say something about not bring sale to reach anyone on weekends

  • MarlanaB
    MarlanaB Member Posts: 292
    edited June 2015

    Shannan--you've got a little more hair than I do but my chin hair is all gone! Yay for some things! And if I decide to put on a swimsuit this summer, I don't have to worry about waxing my bikini line. There are some benefits to this hair loss mess! I have to wear a beanie at work--we have an over active air conditioner so I would freeze to death if I didn't.

    My mouth has okay days and bad days as far as taste and rinsing with baking soda/salt doesn't seem to make a difference. The weird thing is that "they" say to avoid spicy food and meat and those are the two things that I can stand to eat. My mom made crab cakes last night with extra Old Bay seasoning and I could actually taste them over the funky chemo mouth taste. I haven't had any bleeding gums, etc but I think that may be due to the popsicles and ice chips during TC#1.

    As for pain relievers, my MO said no Tylenol but NSAIDs are okay. Yet I have percocet (Oxycontin and acetaminophen) for the bad bone pain so it all seems like a crap shoot to me.

    I'm fast coming up on TC#2 and my bronchitis isn't all the way gone. My MO gave me 7 days worth of Zithromycin and today is day 7 and I'm still producing yuck up from my lungs. So I'm a little worried about 1) my next round is going to make it worse and I'll end up in the hospital since I'm an asthmatic and already having issues breathing or 2) my next round will be postponed. I guess I'll know more when I have my blood work done Tuesday.

  • Shanann
    Shanann Member Posts: 106
    edited June 2015

    Marlanab- I'm so sorry to hear you're suffering the yuck from your lungs, but, and I know it's easy to say, I would try not to anticipate anything and I would try not to worry. Like you said, you'll find out Tuesday, and you can deal with whichever then. I'm like you- they told me not to eat spicy food; to eat bland food, and that would help elimate my heartburn, but I can only taste certain foods that I'm not supposed to eat. So, I suffer. I've been craving steak. Maybe because they told us to eat lots of protein, so I dream about juicy steaks almost every night (subliminally, thinking that will help me heal). LOL

  • tjh
    tjh Member Posts: 469
    edited June 2015

    I love a good steak but beef turns my stomach at the moment...will wait until I am done

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited June 2015

    JenJenJen, I feel like you described right now. I generally only get it like that about once a week. It helped when I was allowed to take advil. There's some sort of inflammation going on, and the advil took care of that. It gets better. The first time it happened to me I didn't know if maybe I should go to the ER. It gets milder and less frequent.

    Hope you all feel better soon.

    Tomorrow morning is the last treatment of my second cycle. If it is like last week, I'll be ok for the concert on Wednesday. Please let it be so, please let it be so.

  • Magnolia83
    Magnolia83 Member Posts: 99
    edited June 2015

    mysunshine, hope everything clears up soon! No fun.

    JenJenJen, do you take neulasta/neupogen? That might be the source of the pain. I take neupogen days 3-9 and I get pain in my thighs and lower back around the last day (Tylenol wipes it out easily though).

    I too feel like foods with more "flavor" taste better than bland food. Also I've heard to stay away from tomatoes but tomato soup has tasted really good to me, same with pasta sauce, so who knows.


  • StefLove
    StefLove Member Posts: 322
    edited June 2015

    Monday after AC #3 and I can NOTTTTT wait until #4 is done and OVER WITH. It's kicking my butt more and more and I literally laid on the couch all day Saturday and Sunday. Slight blood in my urine again this time around but not as bad as last time so I guess I'll hold off calling the dr. None of them really seemed phased when I mentioned it anyways.

    Hope everyone had a great weekend!

  • tjh
    tjh Member Posts: 469
    edited June 2015

    I had steak fajitas with guacamole, peppers and onions. I ate 2 small ones and they tasted great. Now I hack leftovers for 2 more meals.😁

  • klanders
    klanders Member Posts: 244
    edited June 2015

    Day 4 after 3rd TC chemo. So thankful I only have one more round to go. I'm exhausted still today - it was all I could do to get dinner made and on the table. My family cooked all weekend and I thought I was up to cooking today but it about did me in. It feels so strange being this weak/tired. Any one else having hot flashes/sweats? I never had them before chemo - now they are getting really bad. Nights are the worst. I'm so thankful for the fan above my bed. My nails are sore when I type - I guess I need to cut them shorter. It doesn't help that I slammed my left thumb/nail in a door a few days ago. I think I will probably lose that nail for sure.

    mysunshine - I've become more concerned, too, about sugar in my diet. After my first diagnosis I went sugar, dairy and gluten free for about 1 1/2 years and then last September I fell off the "band wagon." Now I'm reading about carbs being turned into sugars. My two favorite food groups are carbs and sugars and since this is a recurrence for me I'm feeling convicted that I need to change my "wicked" ways. (I can eat a bag of oreos in one sitting, but I'm thin so nobody has ever realized how bad my diet really is.) But oh, my word - psychologically/physically I'm struggling with giving up my food this time. I want to just eat ice cream... more and more ice cream. It's particularly hard because I don't like to cook and I depend on a lot of processed foods. I'm afraid that if I try to eat "paleo" then I'll just end up starving myself or being totally miserable. I wish I knew how to eat sweets/carbs in moderation but it has to be all or nothing for me. I spend a lot of money on supplements - might as well spend some on healthier foods, too.

    I still do the towel on the head routine, too! Too funny!

  • tjh
    tjh Member Posts: 469
    edited June 2015

    I have night sweats, like crazy the first week after chemo. I was more tired this time than last, but part of it was the Benedryl of the angry red reaction to the makeup from my LGFB workshop. Today I feel tired after being active and going to Granddaughter's softball game but not exhausted.

  • rosesrx
    rosesrx Member Posts: 458
    edited June 2015

    Yes the power surges have been on the upswing… so has my appetite and blood sugars so I will try to watch more closely next couple of days. Blame it on chemo,  steroids,  sugar or the fact we are having record highs. I have the AC on and the cats are extra snuggly so the flame is from within. 

    After #2/6 on Wed more fatigue and hip, back and thigh pain,  ugg 4 more to go. My skin has cleared up but I am wearing more make-up and cleansing better at night. I only wore lipstick and filled in eyebrows before. Sorry about the reactions to the goodies from LGFB I thought I might have issues with the CG product. Going to wash the wig tonight for the first time,  wanted to take it by shop where I bought it but don't feel like driving 45 min each way.

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