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  • Stephmoen
    Stephmoen Member Posts: 563
    edited June 2015

    I think correlation is healthier life style and diet leads to good health I think sugar in small sometimes large (if your in the mood) is ok.im more worried of all the additives they put in our food nowadays I'm buying more organic and looking at labels even put in my own garden this year!

  • Pu241
    Pu241 Member Posts: 6
    edited June 2015

    I'm not arguing limiting sugar!

    I would agree with that!

    You implied that sugar feeds the growth of cancer, and my response was that all cell use sugar to power themselves not just cancer.

    How do you distinguish normal cell growth/functioning from the metabolization of sugar, from the same function in a cancer cell?

    How does your experience with Autism and developmental delays for 25 yrs bear upon your supposition that sugar feeds cancer more than healthy cells?

    I value fact based nutritional information, I don't need a book, just a reputable reference.

    Again, what does the beef, dairy, and chicken industry have with sugar feeding cancer growth over normal cell operations?

    Simply sharing unsubstantiated rumor/myth serves no purpose but to scare those who have suffered enough.

    Who's one indulgence, a doughnut, a slice of pie, a chocolate; if they can bear to eat/taste it, is now tainted with the false thought that this could be feeding my cancer.

    No need to respond further, Just wanted to put this out for the lady's to get a more balanced view.

  • Leighrh
    Leighrh Member Posts: 317
    edited June 2015


    Just jumping in to add my 2 cents....

    I ABSOLUTELY believe that there is a horrible twist in what is happening with the food that is mass manufactured for us.  Way to many hormones and chemicals than ever.  I also believe that going forward after a cancer dx ppl should try to focus on real food and eat our veggies and limit sugar intake. BUT............While enduring chemo....poisoning every cell IN YOUR BODY.... it doesn't matter what you eat!! Eat whatever taste good and gives you calories for your body to sustain any sort of energy.  Focus on treatment .... then after chemo worry about chemicals and sugar.

    Mysunshine... Not sure if you are going through chemo or not... it's not in your sig line... That really is good info... just maybe not in the chemo forums.  Most ppl are just trying their best to trudge through this part of treatment!

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited June 2015


    Sorry, I do not mean to scare anyone. A piece of pie or a dish of ice cream probably does no harm. Who knows? My reference to kids with Autism and other developmental delays was just to make a point that nutrition plays a role in a lot of things, not just Cancer. Had nothing to do with cancer.....just a point of interest. I have done ALOT of research about beef, pork, dairy cows and chickens. Anyone can do his own research on that, if they desire. There is plenty to substantiate that what we put in our bodies is important, both in terms of just plain good nutrition and cancer.

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited June 2015


    Yes, I am going through chemo! Feeling like crap today after 2nd T/C treatment last Thursday! I am right with you! I know, we don't have a lot of good going on right now.....eat what tastes good is probably good advice. We need the calories and good nutrition. I did not mean to scare anyone. It is just SO important and I pray none of us EVER have to go through this again!

  • gingeel
    gingeel Member Posts: 102
    edited June 2015

    Yeah, I do believe that what we put in our bodies does impact how healthy we are, etc., but, yeah, when you feel like shit, and can't stomach anything 'cept crackers, so be it! At least while we are enduring this.

    Addie, I forgot to comment on Vday. I'm glad you still went out for your Anniversary. I know my husband was too devastated at the time to even think about being romantic. Come to think of it, we haven't had sex since I've started chemo, but who really wants to? And yes, I still wrap my head in a towel! Although my showers are literally 5 minutes long. And it feels pretty good not to have to style or brush or anything my hair. Just saying.

    I had a plumber come today to clean my pipes, haha, but what is funny is I stayed bald around him and he was actually flirting with me! I had no makeup on, and was still in my jammies, as is usual, and he told me I was attractive with or without hair. Thought I'd share that with you ladies. We don't look as scary as we think.

  • mysunshine48
    mysunshine48 Member Posts: 1,480
    edited June 2015


    I also wrap my head in a towel after the 10 seconds it takes to wash my head! Funny, how I still think about turning on my curling iron! LOL Oh, joy

  • gingeel
    gingeel Member Posts: 102
    edited June 2015

    Addie, our kids are almost the same age. 11, 7, 4.

    and whereabouts in NY do you live?

    no, I'm not a stalker.....just pretty crazy how similar our stories are.

  • gingeel
    gingeel Member Posts: 102
    edited June 2015

    I still "smooth my hair back", ready to find a pony tail or something. Or I go to loosen my imaginary pony tail cause it feels too tight. Weird.

  • gkodad
    gkodad Member Posts: 188
    edited June 2015

    I still reach for my hairbrush in the morning when I first get up.  Sometimes I even stand there with it in my hand, staring at it...like I know I need to do something with it but I'm not sure what. 


     

  • Leighrh
    Leighrh Member Posts: 317
    edited June 2015

    LOL... just so ya know... When I get out of the shower... I flip my head over the bathtub.... every damn time!!! My hair had been long for so long.. I just can't stop!!

  • Addie29
    Addie29 Member Posts: 307
    edited June 2015

    gingeel I'm in central NY. About 1 1/2 hours inbetween Syracuse and Albany. I'm close to Cooperstown NY - the lovely baseball hall of fame. And yea our kids are similar in age- how neat how our lives are so similar. Well cancer isn't neat- cancer is an asshole. I think we can all agree on that. Since chemo has started we've only actually had sex twice. My 2 1/2 year old still sleeps with us. I know I know crazy right. But honestly since my dx I don't mind it because I cherish our snuggling sessions.

  • Addie29
    Addie29 Member Posts: 307
    edited June 2015

    were all creatures of habit. I still shampoo and condition my head. Figured I have to keep my peach fuzz healthy.

  • ankledolphin
    ankledolphin Member Posts: 99
    edited June 2015

    Just stopping in to say hi! Been reading everyone's posts!

    I hate to see everyone doing icky on taxol....i don't think that is one I am going to be on, since it has not been mentioned and last week my MO said we need to get things moving and scheduled a meeting again with my surgeon. So far my MO is very happy with things...but I will say the side effects are building up. He did mention some clinical trial for my lumpectomy in regards to lymph node removal, but he was going to get me more info on it for review, plus I plan on talking with my brother about it. He is a doctor, but will talk with his other doc friends where he is from if I ask to make sure what will be best.

    I did make it to a party saturday night for someone i never met- it was a fundraiser for her and her family and sunday i was feeling the pain. My knees are the worse and now i have sharp pains in my arms...and dont get me started on my nails!!!

    gingeel - where on LI are you from? I'm originally from there!
    I'm now between Rochester and Buffalo!

    also, if water is everyones enemy...what is everyone drinking? right after treatment i have the worst time getting fluids in....and nothing carbonated works since its like battery acid going in!



  • gingeel
    gingeel Member Posts: 102
    edited June 2015

    Lol Leighrh, I had hair down to my butt, so I know, girl. Although, once my hair comes back in, I think I'm gonna leave it short. So much easier!

    Don't feel bad about having your son sleep with you. He's 2 1/2. No biggie. I give each of my kids a turn to sleep with me....usually on the weekends. Sometimes, they all end up in bed with us! They're not going to be young forever!


  • Addie29
    Addie29 Member Posts: 307
    edited June 2015

    I have to force myself to drink water. I keep water bottles all over the house so there's always one available.

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited June 2015

    I suppose it's helpful for me that I still have diabetes to manage during all of this. It reminds me to keep my blood sugar as stable as possible, so I at least make a conscious choice of frozen yogurt vs fruit vs a piece of cheese. I'm eating mostly but not entirely organic and preparing rather than buying prepared foods--but if a McD's cheeseburger was the only thing I thought I could stomach, or I wanted to eat one, I probably would. I also wouldn't tell myself that since I had a burger I might as well get the fries and a shake--that's all-or-nothing thinking, and not useful. Research is good, anecdotes may raise useful questions, and each of us will find her own meaningful self-interventions.

  • DizzParkMom
    DizzParkMom Member Posts: 316
    edited June 2015

    Anybody reach up to feel their bald head every morning....you know..just to check to see if this has all been one horrible nightmare?

    Sometimes I keep my eyes averted when walking by the bathroom mirror and then glance really quickly to check. Nope! Still bald. Still got Cancer. $#:+

    I wrap up my head too just so I can see my familiar face the way it looked pre-dx when wrapped up in a towel. It's nice to pretend - even if it's just for a few minutes. I keep apologizing to family. "Sorry it took me so long in the bathroom. It took forever to blow dry my hair." ;-)

    I'm one of those getting yelled at by the MO & Nutritionist (and family) about my weight loss. I've lost about 5 pounds each round, but managed to put back on at least 2 before the next infusion. What can I say. I am not trying to lose the weight. I am eating what little sounds appetizing...mashed potatoes, baked potatoes, mac &cheese, soup, cereal, protein smoothies...I've even added orgain shakes. Pre-dx, I would gain 2 pounds just watching an Olive Garden commercial on tv. What gives?

    As for water alternatives...once I start feeling less pukey, I've been drinking Bai 5 Lemonade or blueberry flavores. They're pretty tasty...and not something I ever would have drunk before. I HATED lemonade, but now it agrees with my taste buds and doesn't hurt my mouth sores. I've also been enjoying the occasional frozen pedialyte pop.



  • lovlilynne
    lovlilynne Member Posts: 405
    edited June 2015

    Hi - I'm sorry, having a chemo brain moment, I know a couple of you have already visited RO to get ready for rads, and has anyone else been told anything definitive about how long between chemo and start of rads? I have notes about a "4-week break", but I'm wondering if that is from last infusion date? Or starting a week from infusion (i.e., last infusion week doesn't count towards "bread") Also, is it always 4, or can you start in 3 - what is the criteria used to assume you are well enough to be radiated?

    Can you tell I'm in planning mode? I am trying to figure out when the absolute latest I'll be done (and the soonest!)

    Lynne

  • gingeel
    gingeel Member Posts: 102
    edited June 2015

    Ankledolph, I'm in Valley Stream, right outside of Queens. Both you and Addie are prob 5 or so hours away.

    Dizzpark, the only thing I can drink is something with flavor! Iced Tea, Gatorade....bring it.

  • StacyMc329
    StacyMc329 Member Posts: 48
    edited June 2015

    Lynne... I did the same thing today.!. Asked when I could get my port out. Was told right after chemo ends... So I could call to schedule that as soon as chemo ends... He said I wouldn't need it anymore after chemo. And RO told me it would take a week after I see her to map out where to radiate... So depending how I feel to call her within the month to schedule the mapping app and could start as soon as that's ready. So I plan to call as soon as I end (depending on how I feel) cuz it will prolly take a bit to get an app

    Feel ok after #6... So far.

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited June 2015

    Fran, Happy Birthday! And many, many, many more!!!!!

    Lynne, I think it is anywhere from 2-4 weeks, but 3-4 from last infusion seems to be pretty common. I am not 100% sure.

    As for drinking, I tolerate water a little better on Taxol than on AC. I mostly drink decaf unsweetened sun tea with lots of lemon or lime. If not that, than other tart things. I have been doing better on water the further I get from AC. I do have a few days where nothing tastes good, and then it's whatever I can stomach...usually lemon water.

    3 Taxol down...officially 1/4 done with Taxol. Yahoo! No problems yet. I went from there to pick up my lymphedema sleeve. The woman at the store was really surprised when I took it off nad asked why I wasn't wearing it home. I explained that it is preventative and only needed at certain times. What I wanted to say was "It's 95 f***ing degrees outside, do you think I am going to go out there with these thick things on my arms? Are you nuts???!!!". Seriously, it's not like a new pair of shoes that I would be excited to wear out of there. On that note, all of my kids are out and about, so I am going to slap on a ton of sunscreen and go take a quick dip in the pool to cool off.

    Addie, Funny your MO looks like Rajesh. Mine looks a bit like and sounds a lot like Adam Levine. I fell asleep once watching The Voice the night after an appointment and it startled me when I heard Adam's voice. I was wondering why my MO was here. Then I woke up a bit more!

    gkodad, great point about the stats. Research moves so fast that by the time most long term studies are published, they are outdated. We all just have to work with our docs and come up with a plan that together we think will work best for us. If we had a crystal ball, it'd be easy, but we don't so we just do our best to do what we can to get through treatment and then live healthy, happy productive lives afterwards.

    Littleblue, my MO likes running, exercising and such too. He totally "gets it" and is very supportive of my running (as long as I promise to use sunscreen).

    I also look in the mirror and am reminded that I'm bald. I suppose that's good since most days I feel so good, if I was not bald I would probably forget about BC. For that I am thankful. I work with mostly guys, and about 1/4 of them are bald by choice. I do wear my wig when I go on calls at work so my patients aren't freaked out, but I can't help think that they could go through chemo and no one would give it a thought that they were bald. My friend that finished a few weeks ago totally rocked the bald look (and now the growing back look). I wish I had her confidence. For now, I just keep expanding my ball cap collection!

  • ThePrincess
    ThePrincess Member Posts: 424
    edited June 2015

    KBeee! Yay for being 1/4 done! So glad you feel good!!!

    Happy birthday all you ladies with birthdays this week!!!

  • allicat1214
    allicat1214 Member Posts: 84
    edited June 2015

    Lynne, I'm trying to plan out rads as well. My MO said at my last appointment that we would set everything up at this last chemo appointment. But like you I'm trying to plan my summer.

    He said I'd start rads "about a month" after chemo. I asked does that mean I'd see RO a month after then set up sims, etc. He said we'll work all that out this time.

    UGH!

    I want to get it over ASAP as well. I am ALWAYS nervous during Aug-Sept living in NOLA since it is prime time for hurricanes. (This year marks the 10th anniversary of Katrina and I will not be marking the anniversary nor watching any specials. I'd rather not relive it, thank you very much. ) I don't want to be mid-way thru rads only to have to evacuate and end up stopping or postponing or whatever.

    NOLA is my home but I have been wanting to leave for the past 10 years....but husband and kids wanted to stay. I'm so weary of having to evacuate. We never had to as a kid but now it's a different story.


  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited June 2015

    Here's my schedule:

    6/4: Last chemo.

    6/25: Last labs drawn from port. (3 weeks from chemo)

    7/1: Radiation sim. (4 weeks from chemo)

    7/7: Port removed. (Could have been earlier but had to fit into surgeon's schedule)

    Radiation should start the week of 7/6.

  • swill
    swill Member Posts: 3
    edited June 2015
    Just wondering what kind of side effect everybody who had taxotere and cytoxin went through with their chemo treatment
  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited June 2015

    Okay, swill, here's my almost-done-with chem SE update:

    What I've done:

    • Bilateral mastectomy (+ 3 SNL, one positive), plus chest port.
    • I've had 4 of 4 TCs and am just waiting out the last chemo effects round before starting radiation.
    • I received Aloxi and Emend as drips, plus dexometasone tablets the day before, of and the day after chemo, plus Claritin and Benadryl the night before, of, and 3-4 nights after chemo.
    • I have not been constipated, I have had some diarrhea, but more than that, what I'll call "poorly formed stool." With MO's assent, I've had Imodium after diarrhea and that's taken care of the problem.
    • I've softened my soft-bristle toothbrush with hot water and brushed my teeth, including nights with Clinpro (prescription fluoride paste), 2-3 times a day.
    • I've rinsed my mouth and gargled with baking soda and salt in warm water, and with Biotene, and with L-glutamine, 2-3 times a day.I take one sugar-free Tums at night.
    • I've been very careful to use moisturizer with a high SPF sunscreen when I'm going outside.
    • I've kept very my whole body moisturized, generally with a light non-comedogenic moisturizer (Cetaphil), except my mastectomy and drain and port insertion scars, which get a rotation of light moisturizer, calendula moisturizer, vitamin E/aloe moisturizer, and occasionally almond oil (vitamin E) or calendula oil when I want to massage them lightly to stretch the scars.
    • I've put a tea tree nail treatment on my toenails a few times a week, and my finger nails once or twice a week. I've moisturized my hands and feet every evening, and have put bag balm on my feet when they've been very dry.
    • I buzzed my hair and shampoo with baby shampoo twice a week.I sometimes put little coconut oil on my scalp.
    • I sometimes throw a little coconut oil in my bath (be careful of the slippery surface).
    • I've done the American Cancer Society's anti-lymphedema exercises, plus some I found online, at least once a day.
    • I've changed my socks and underwear at least once a day. I'm sleeping in footies to avoid snagging my toenails.
    • I've drunk 80-120 oz of fluid (water, sugar-free Gatorade, iced tea, tea) every day.
    • Since my eyes got dry, I've been instilling glycerine drops every 4-6 hours and wearing sunglasses outside.
    • I eat protein and yogurt every day, kale at least every other day.
    • I take a D vitamin and CoQ10 (the only supplements my MO permits), non-soy fiber when needed (like during/right after the steroid), my normal Metformin for diabetes and HZTZ for blood pressure, and a potassium supplement.
    • I walk 1-3 hours every day whether I want to or not.

    What I didn't do:

    • Cold caps, icing of nails, cold drinks during infusion.
    • Wig.
    • Reconstruction.
    • Pain relievers other than lorazepam (my MO doesn't allow them, though my BS will probably put me on an aspirin a day after I'm one with my treatments and back to my normal supplements and supports).

    My side effects thus far, from the top down, which are probably partially my circumstances and body, and (I hope and believe) partly all of that time-consuming stuff I just listed:

    • I do not have chemo brain. I sometimes feel unattentive, and I'm having a little word-finding trouble, but that's been true since the first biopsy.
    • I'm a little dizzy at times.
    • My hair began loosening before TC #2, and more dropped with each treatment. I still have fuzz, and it grows slightly between treatments. Sometimes my scalp aches, so it's easier to sleep with a satin pillowcase or a soft cap. My eyebrows are sparser. My eyelashes are not (yet) affected.
    • My eyes became dry after #2. For some women, this presents as watering. The air here is full of pollen, so I've been washing my face frequently and blotting dry lightly.
    • Right after Neulasta, my teeth and jaw, as well as the back of my neck, are achy. I've had a headache once or twice (from the steroid, I think).
    • My mouth, tongue, and throat are somewhat sore/tender and my mouth tastes rather metallic. No sores. My sense of taste is dull or off at times.
    • My nose is a bit runny.
    • My neck, shoulder, and area around the port, as well as my BMX and drain scars, plus anywhere I've ever had an injury, feel achy after the Neulasta. The port has never felt comfortable. I'll be delighted to get it out in a few weeks.
    • I don't appear to have lymphedema. I have consults for PT and lymphedema risk scheduled. My triceps are not a thing of beauty. I choose to interpret the cottage cheese look as meaning that I did a really good job of not lifting or using my arms when I wasn't allowed to.
    • My range of motion is getting pretty good, though the port interferes, and I still feel tight along my scars. I have some numb/painful spots on my back that my partner is massaging for me.
    • My hands are colder than before surgery.
    • My body hair is slightly sparser and loose at times, but hasn't dropped much.
    • I have had very little nausea and no vomiting.
    • I haven't had much heartburn. My digestion has been good.
    • I had a little cardiac irregularity, but a repeat ECG and echo came back unchanged.
    • I haven't menstruated since I stopped BCPs in January. I have hot flashes.
    • I had what felt like the beginning of a vaginal yeast infection, so I increased my live active culture yogurt consumption and did a few rounds sitting in the tub with topical yogurt, which took care of it.
    • My elimination is more loose than constipated.
    • The longer bones ached after Neulasta. Claritin and warm baths help.
    • Some of my fingernails are a little red at the base, and my big toe nails look pretty bruised. I'm keeping them clipped short and being careful to wear shoes or protective slippers when I'm up, and footies when I sleep.
    • I've had a very small amount of lower leg edema. Putting my feet up takes care of it.
    • Some of my veins protrude more after chemo, and some of the spider veins on my legs are more accentuated. No pain.
    • My skin is mostly clear, though I do have the occasional weird bump, pimple, discoloration as others have mentioned on my face and hands.
    • A little neuropathic pain in fingers and toes. I get this sometimes from diabetes, so it's hard to sort out.
    • I run a slight temperature (up to 99.4) after chemo/Neulasta. In a few days, that stops and I fluctuate in my normal range.
    • I have some sleep disturbance, but it's better than when I was so agitated before the surgery and chemo starting. It's worse with steroids.
    • I have increasing but manageable fatigue. It's actually making it easier to sleep.
    • I've got a flexible job and I've worked all the way through. I don't like asking for help, but I have.
  • littleblueflowers
    littleblueflowers Member Posts: 2,000
    edited June 2015

    lynne, is it your birthday? Or is my addled brain making that up? :)

    Day 5 crash here..questioning my will to live. Had to go to the hospital to try to work out how to pay for all this...I'm so greatful they are still a nonprofit!

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited June 2015

    I think I was wrong yesterday...I think Lynne's is tomorrow (but I am known to be wrong...obviously!!!!!)


  • Addie29
    Addie29 Member Posts: 307
    edited June 2015

    is it really unusual that I haven't lost weight on chemo? My husband works in the kitchen at the Hospital I get my treatments and at the time of my dx he spoke to a dietician he works with about nutrition and eating during chemo- well anyway today she was asking him how I was doing and asked if I had lost any weight? Is it unusuall to gain? I haven't thrown up- and even if I can't taste I force myself to eat.

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