Summer 2015 Rads
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I had my sims today, the tech asked me if my eyes were watering. Lol she told me that happens all the time. Did make me feel better. It is the first time I shed tears about having BC.
Then proceeded to runaround town doing errands. It wasn't till I got home that I realized I had sharpie all over me.
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Yes all the moving on the table to get in position, dots and lines in sharpie, etc make me feel a little weird. It's like we are a piece of cloth about to be cut into pattern or a piece of meat or something. It's very weird. My techs are all business. Not much chatting. Just line it up . . . saying numbers to each other and then rushing around. They are very nice and haven't done anything unprofessional but the setting is weird. Cold, hard metal. I have a random question. How do you know what type of radiation you are having? I don't think my RO every said "whole breast" but I assumed that is what is happening. I get radiated from three angles and know I am getting rads to both the breast and lymph nodes but never even thought to ask if it was the whole breast or just part.
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I don't really know the answer to that but I can tell you no one has told me what type of radiation I'm having either so when I met with the rad onc before my first treatment I asked him if I was having "whole breast" radiation since that was the term I kept seeing on these boards. He just looked at me like I was an idiot and said "you don't have breasts. So you're getting chest wall radiation." Oh. Right. No breasts, I guess I forgot for a minute! He did go on to explain that they are targeting the chest wall and lymph nodes higher up that weren't included in the dissection. Sorry my answer isn't very helpful, I'm sure someone on here has more info but thought I'd share my funny or not so funny interaction.
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My RO said partial breast radiation is very very rare. Almost everyone gets whole breast.
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Hello Sweet Hope:
I wish you the best as you start your radiation. I finished chemo in October '14 and radiation in December '14. A piece of advice for you and all my BC sisters undergoing radiation. Please speak up when/if you become burned or are in pain. I was given samples of Aquaphor to use after each radiation treatment and told that this was the only thing I could use on my skin. About half way through the treatments. I found the burns and pain unbearable and called my doctor and insisted I was given something other than Aquaphor. They finally wrote me a Rx for RadiaPlex gel. It worked like a charm. Very aggravated that this wasn't given to me earlier, as I am sure it could have prevented much of the pain endured. I encourage everyone to speak up. Blessings to you Sweet Hope.
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Welcome Alisgirl, and we'll be following all of you through the summer, routing you on!
Warm hugs,
The Mods
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I had my "sim" already... but I might not actually start rads until 3 weeks after. It's partially me asking for some time because I have some friends coming into town for a week and would like to see them before I start. The radiation people (nurses scheduling and the doc) didn't seem to think it would be bad... but I haven't got a start date pinned down yet, so who knows? They may move it up a bit by maybe 4 days...
I wish I'd got the sim a bit closer to the time, since it's a bother wearing all these stupid stickers!!! Mostly the one right in the middle below my neck! (I guess I'm wearing scarves for the next long while!)
I might have been upset at the marks and tattoos if this had happened earlier... but by now I've got surgery incisions and no hair and am worried about my nails falling off and am still trying to recover from weakness in my legs from neuropathy and a constantly upset stomach and intestines... so the whole idea of tattoos is kind of no big deal any longer. Mind you... I never ever considered tattooing my body and don't even have pierced ears--or anything else! Never had any surgery before all this... never had any stitches at all! So it IS like I've been dropped into some crazy alternate reality... but I guess I'm too shell-shocked by everything else to really worry about stuff now...!
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Hi everyone, Some of my nails are peeling off too and they are bruised. Yes no more beauty pageants for me! My new " look" is a lot to get used to but there is no place to hide, so I take my bald head and hairless face with me into the day! My daughter (31 yr) said to me the other night that people don't see my bald head, they see a strong women in a fight for her life .
My best to everyone , stick close to friends and family! Glad you are all here
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If you are through with chemo and have not lost your nails yet, have hope. You may not lose them. Mine were looking rough right after chemo, and a couple even separated about halfway down. But I just cut them short so they wouldn't catch and they are doing fine now and recovering.
I'm not sure if it has made a difference, but I have been taking a B complex vitamin with Biotin in it, and my hair is coming back fast, and I think it helps nails too. However, some may not be as comfortable with super short hair as I am. Rock the bald head or really short hair if you can. I'm loving it
After today I have 15 more rads. Hope the next 3 weeks go as fast as the first 2.
Good luck everyone!
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I finished Rads on Friday and washed off the sharpie marks! Yeah!! It feels great to be done although I am watching my skin get redder everyday..bah! I have an area under my arm that is quite bad - it was caused by friction that I just couldn't avoid. They gave me a product called nu-gel for that! The color isn't even everywhere either. I have bright red spot above my collarbone which of course is very visible all the time. Hopefully it doesn't get too bad. I had 25 treatments and I would say that it really only got uncomfortable the last week of treatment.
On the nail issue, I have very discolored nails that are tender. I keep them short and use nail hardener because they seem so weak. For some reason, my fingers are worse then my toes. My feet though took a beating as I got that hand and foot syndrome from Taxotere. It was bad enough that I didn't get my last chemo. They are a lot better but still very tender too.
April25 - I too had no surgeries or tattoos before BC either! How completely BC changed all that for sure!
Wishing everyone SE free radiation!
Wendy
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Alisgirl, Thank you so much for the kind words and good info about RadiaPlex.
Every time I read a good tip on BCO I copy and paste it to the Notepad on this iPad. I have pages on chemo, rads and endocrine therapy. I am so grateful for all the helpful advice.
Wendy, I am sorry that the redness keeps building. That is so discouraging. Even tho you have finished...it is great that you are keeping us informed with what is going on.
Met with my RO last week. He kept emphasizing that I am getting the Rolls Royce of radiation treatments (IMRT). I interpret that to mean: 'Don't even think about complaining!' We will see!
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Good morning!!! 1 of 30 done, it's a start. Easier emotionally than I thought. Have a blessed day!!!
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Sweethope, my RO and my local support group friends all recommend Miaderm. It has some of the same ingredients as the radiaplex and adds calendula. All of the ingredients have been shown to be effective in Phase III prospective clinical trials. I found it at one of the local pharmacies too which was great! I've been using it 2-3x/day but so far haven't had any skin problems since I'm only one week in to treatment! It smells good and isn't greasy.
Valentine99 I am curious about your nails. Mine also lifted up from the bed about halfway down. They seem to be growing out. Underneath the nails is a buildup of what looks like dead skin. Also some of the nails are more curved from side to side whereas they used to be flatter. Did this happen to yours too? Are your nails returning to "normal"? I think mine are but I'm always curious to hear from others.
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lmoore4 -- I just see strong women, too, but when it comes to myself, I know I'm not strong... I just am trying to get through all this any way I can, and am not happy at all about being hairless and having nails coming off! (They aren't off yet, but my pinkie nails are getting very white and look like they might be separating... I know I shouldn't be worried about nails at this point, but it's those annoying things that just seem to add up at times!) But the take-away is that we may be self-conscious, but others are also going about their lives and aren't looking so closely or negatively at others... (Still... difficult not to think about appearances. And who wants to be running around looking so affected by this all? Heh. Maybe I'm just still in some denial or something... *sigh*) But hearing of your experiences helps me a lot...
Valentine99 -- Thanks for the encouraging words on the whole nail business... It's just weird when they are getting worse a month after chemo, but I've heard that post-chemo can be like that, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. And they haven't fallen off yet, so I'm hoping...
I might be stressing over this more because I haven't started rads yet. Not looking forward to my 7 weeks... But at least I'll have other things to worry about than the nails I can't do anything about!
I've heard that B-complex vitamins are helpful. I've been taking some--but it's hard to know if I've been taking enough as they were vague about that (just said It might help to take it). I guess I should ask more questions, but probably too late now--although I'm still taking some and some biotin... which might have helped my nails not be in worse condition!
RV6gal -- Congrats on finishing rads!!! I hope that the redness doesn't worsen and goes away asap!
Thanks for the info on the nails. I think I worry also because I don't know what to expect, so it helps to know what is happening to others. Too bad about the hand and foot syndrome. That taxotere stuff is nasty. My MO reduced my dose after the first cycle... I wonder if that was why my tumor shrank but still showed signs of cancer, but I guess there was no choice as I was getting some bad SEs from it, too.
knittingPT -- Thanks for your nail story, too! I'm glad they aren't falling out! It's been over a month since the end of my last cycle (last infusion plus 3 weeks beyond that). Then I got the white patches on my nails, mostly the pinky and some on the rings and middle fingers... I think my nails were more curved than normal, too, but seem to be flattening back out a very little. All my nails are pale--almost as white as the moons, with some normal pink towards the edge of the nails. My toenails seem to be a bit less affected than my fingernails. It's a little painful to be touch-typing at times, but not all the time... more on my pinkies now... And my nails are definitely growing... I've been putting nourishing polish/coats on them and can see it move up after a week... But the paleness remains the same, and the white spots (which could be the nail separating from the bed) are growing, too, Toes don't have the white spots...
I think I'm obsessing...! But I'll be starting rads next week some time (they haven't contacted me yet for the exact time), so I'll probably be all wrapped up in all that later!
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I had treatment 19 of 30 today. Starting to have more visible skin redness. RO told me today that it is normal at this point in treatment and actually didn't look too bad. I am using Miaderm twice a day and pure aloe vera gel 1-2 times in between. I've also dusted with cornstartch . No pain yet but feeling a slight burning in my underarm .
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knittingPT, I don't think mine are more curved, but the ones who still have some black growing out feel thicker and I keep trying to scrape stuff out from under the nail.
I swear sometimes it seems my hair grows overnight. And it is coming back so curly! I'm not quite sure what to do with it as it gets longer look
I had number 10 out of 25 yesterday. I have a really dark patch under my arm but just spots of slight coloring in other places. RO thought the shape of the deal patch was odd but not really of concern so we soldier on.
Beth
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I have a question about how to put on Aquaphor. My nurse says to slather it on four times a day, on a huge area of my chest. Aquaphor is thick and takes a little pressure to smooth out. It's still quite sore and numb there after only six weeks after surgery. I hate doing it. And honestly how am I supposed to do this four times a day? I will need barrels of Aquaphor!
Also how am I supposed to wear clothes? I've been told not to wear a bra or shelf bra, so what am I supposed to wear? I settled on wearing a high-necked tank top with a bra over it, but that looks weird under my work clothes. I am on #5 today, so my skin is not changing yet. I just don't understand how this is supposed to work, and I don't have anyone to ask for help. Help!
April25, your comment really resonated with me. I am not strong; I'm a wimp, so this "journey" has been super hard. Lots of tears, let me tell you. I'm glad someone else feels the same way.
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Metta, I bought some light camis at Target that are super soft. They are like a tank top but made out of synthetic materials. They are a little bit stretchy but don't have the shelf inside. They provide a tiny bit of "squeeze" so they don't move/cause any chafing. I wear instead of a bra.
I am not using the aquaphor for the exact reasons you mentioned above. I have used it in the past when skiing to prevent wind burn on my face and it is hard to spread and icky. I am using miaderm because it feels more like a lotion and spreads very easily. I know a lot of people use the aquaphor but I think it feels gross.
I had number 7 today and am starting to have some redness on my nipple but, otherwise, I'm not really noticing any changes. I'm hoping it stays this way through the whole thing!!! I know that is only wishful thinking but that is better than expecting the worse, right?!?
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Hi everyone , it,s funny when my coworkers tell me how strong I am or my brother calls me a " badass" for getting through chemo I want to ask them what choice do I have.? I guess our friends and loved ones don,t know what to say. In some ways it's been worse than I imagined and in others easier. Losing my eyebrows really sucked. None of use likes the loses, ( breasts, hair nails eyebrows etc..) but we get on with our days and that's good enough. Never underestimate the power of a good cry. ( just not on the way to work since it washes off my brow pencil and eyeliner ). I've lost a lot but somehow it's helped me appreciate simpler things, like the return of the birds, and the flowers in my yard etc.. I'm sure I'll be whining when the radiation burns kick in, and I will appreciate all the tips for skin care. I too have the thick under nail stuff, I just thought it was left over from adriamycin when my nails were long and thick. Who knows sometimes I feel like the docs tell us so little ( and I'm a nurse, I work with these guys) everyone handles things differently we are all doing our best. Good luck to all. I'm glad you here, but wish you weren't . Linda. Ps I was told a soft bra was ok no underwire Genie bra is soft bought on line.
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Eleven down, twenty-two to go...that's one-third done...Yippee!
RO said fatigue is normal, even soon after starting. It's different than chemo fatigue. (I slept a lot with chemo.) This is just being too exhausted to open a jar, or sit upright in a chair. How some of you are working through this is amazing!
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i can totally relate. Its amazing what we were so scared of in the beginning now seems forever ago and what we have pushed thru is truly amazing. I hear ya about what we are told. My Dr is pregnant and she thought she was going Into labor early and was saying how that couldn't happen that she wasn't ready and had so much going on. I stopped her and said that was what it was like to be told you have cancer. I didn't have room in my life for all that shit either. But what choice right? I think it took her by surprise I would say something like that . But until you walk in the shoes..... I know you guys get it
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I can't stand aquaphor because it is so goopy. I have been using Eucerin and pure Aloe so far. I had #11 today and so far no burns. My friend who goes to the same RO as me will finish this week and I am so happy for her...and jealous. It does seem to be going faster than I thought it would.
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Metta and lmoore4 and live_deliciously -- I don't think I've been told anything about bras and creams yet... Will I get that when I have my first radiation session?
I'm sure most of us are having similar feelings. Maybe some variations, since people are a bit different and we're going through a lot of different phases, too. I've definitely had periods of crying. A lot of it is frustration at having so little control over anything. I'd probably cry more, but mostly I'm just so stunned by everything that I'm not even thinking all that clearly (it's like I've accidentally gotten on a crazy roller-coaster and can't get off until it stops). And I don't even want to really think about things very deeply, since it is pretty depressing.
And it's so true... We really can't do much be figure out a few things and keep on going. It's not being strong so much as just doing what we have to do (because there's no choice). But I guess that's better than not doing anything...! But it's great to have support here. I know I rely on it so much! There are just little questions and comments that doctors can't answer, and that people who aren't undergoing all this can't give, either... but that people here can just do so well! I'd have a lot harder time coping without this forum!
SweetHope -- Congrats on getting through the first third! --Hmm... so it's a different fatigue than chemo? That should be interesting (not!). People were working through Chemo, too! I totally admire those who could do that. I couldn't do a thing! Even walking around wasn't so easy most of the time...
Valentine99 -- 'Hope you stay SE free! ...I'll have to look into getting some aloe...
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Thanks, KnittingPT, I'll ask my nurse about Miaderm today. I've been smoothing the Aquaphor on my palms first and then spreading it out. It's so icky.
Lmoore4, your nurse will probably give you a brochure and a lecture on your x-ray day (also called port films, a few days after simulation). Yes, me too; I had such a hard time losing my eyebrows. I didn't know I was so vain until b.c. I was without eyebrows and eyelashes for probably 3-4 weeks total, and then they took about two weeks to grow in. It felt like forever, and I looked like a cancer patient, which was hard. I hear you on that front ... there are so many losses that we have to deal with.
And April25, yes, that's a great metaphor, that we've accidentally stepped onto this roller coaster and are frozen until it stops. I feel so much better when I take a few minutes to breathe and maybe even cry. I bawled my eyes out at radiation yesterday because they told me to put aquaphor on my back, too, since the radiation would go straight through me. Excuse me? Holy cow! They also took more x-rays, second day in a row, and although I trust my RO, I don't trust the techs at all. They act like they're just working at the DMV. Next! No chitchat, no explanation about what they're doing, no warning that they're about to write on me with Sharpies. How do I know they're doing everything right? Did they get As in school? Were they on the Dean's list? Ha, joking there, but suffice it to say I'm having a really hard time lying on the table and trusting the medical establishment. The lack of control is so terrifying.
Radiation isn't having any physical effects yet, but psychologically I am a bit of a mess. I'm just really scared of more pain and suffering. I'm going to the cancer support center at the hospital tomorrow to talk to someone. Maybe that will help. And you guys always help! Thank you!
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Metta, You are so right about the psychological effects of rads. The other day at the beginning of tx, the machine starting buzzing and a tech came back in physically pushing on the machine. "Oh, the Student pushed the lever in the wrong direction, so we needed to nudge this." I'm laying there thinking, "Student"? Is that who is in the control room guiding this huge, multi-million dollar machine to pump radiation in me so near to my heart, thyroid, ribs, lung? What the....?
Then yesterday, the machine pressed up against my right arm at the beginning of tx and I'm sure it was at least 6 inches closer than the past 10 treatments. (Maybe that is just part of the treatment.) I should have questioned it right away, but I didn't say anything until the whole tx was over. I was told it was still following the same track as before (I'm sure it wasn't) and that the computer won't let the radiation happen until it is in the proper position.
Was the Student in charge of this, too? I want to believe that the computer and Techs are perfect, but I know better. I had a fitful evening worrying about it. Needed a Xanax for nervousness, and a Nexium and ten Tums for burning esophagus...which I never have!
Today, I am first stopping in the Control Room and finding out what is keeping me from being over-radiated. Hope the Techs understand how vulnerable it feels alone in that big room with that big machine. But I need some answers to feel more confident in them.
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Okay, I'm back from Rads and it is so obvious that my emotions have really played a number on me. The Tech was very patient, checking the program and the measuring the distance of the beam from me. Nothing is wrong with the machine or the Techs...just me.
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Metta --- Hmm... I had a Sim... but no other appts. and no x-ray (unless they were doing it as part of the sim?). They marked me up and tattooed me and stuck on stickers at the Sim...
ack. Aquaphor on the back because the rays go right through??? Yikes. Sometimes I don't want to know these details!!! -- And aren't they supposed to be shooting through at angles so that you aren't getting a bunch of radiation in non-breast parts that aren't meant to get rads? I guess they can't do this all the time (hence the problems with getting too near the lungs and heart, etc.) but...!!!
I worry about the qualifications of everyone, too. One would hope that decent organizations dealing with people's lives would be careful about who is working for them, but who knows for sure? For peace of mind, as there isn't much we can do about it, probably something to keep in mind, but not a LOT in mind.
This is all very scary on so many levels in so many ways. And nothing is a sure bet... which makes even the treatment scary. Yeah, it's supposed to kill the cancer, but is it? Or is it doing something worse? Or just bad? But there's not much we can do. We can take a chance and opt out of something if we feel strongly about it... but if we don't, I guess we just have to deal with all the doubts and uncertainties and do our best. (I guess that's just how life works, actually... but reality can be something we don't want to deal with all the time. I admit it--I am happily in denial of lots of things most of the time, and quite happy that way!)
SweetHope -- That is rather unsettling... I guess all you can do is keep an eye out for possible problems like that... Maybe question things if you see something odd... but beyond that, hopefully they know enough about what they are doing to not totally mess things up! *sigh*
No, it's not you. We have to be somewhat proactive in our treatment, so it's good to be careful. And yeah, sometimes that can seem a bit more paranoid than maybe was called for... but as they say, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't somebody out to get you! -- That is, just because things are OK in this case doesn't mean everything is being done perfectly so that you shouldn't ever be concerned. Everyone is human, so you just know there's going to be some margin of error or uncertainty... but most all of those are probably not anything dire.
When I was in the hospital during chemo (for dehydration), one of the nurses accidentally stuck a thermometer in my mouth without the plastic cover. I hated to mention it--it was in the middle of the night and dark and I'm sure things like that happen... but all night I wondered how clean they kept those things, and if I was going to catch some horrible disease, so I mentioned it to my MO when he came in and he said to tell the nurse in charge, so I did, and they called the poor person into the room (and she denied it). *sigh* Well, I don't think I've caught some horrible disease, I didn't get sick anyway, but it makes you wonder how often germs get accidentally transferred around through little mistakes... but maybe it's no big deal? I don't know...
anyway--Glad you are feeling better about the techs! It makes dealing with all this a bit easier!
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Sweethope - I am glad you spoke up about your concerns and that the tech was able to let you know all was okay. The worst part is the fear itself sometimes but the sooner we ask about it, the sooner we may feel better.
I didn't seem to have any issues with the radiation process. I did find that all the information they rattle off upfront was more frightening like possible lung issues. It is really overwhelming. I just had to put that stuff out of my mind though so by the time I got to rad sessions, I was relatively calm.
What I am finding to be a problem now is the recovery from rads. Not everyone will have the same experience but I do have that one bad area and it is really limiting my mobility. That just gives me more time to think about myself which is never a good thing either. I am now day 6 post radiation and it hasn't leveled out yet. In my case the spot that is bad is actually a fat roll over my mastectomy scar. I think the same effect can happen with women who still have their breasts so if you have spots of skin that touch each other, ask your RO what you can do to minimize friction. I read about using cornstarch on this website also but too late to help me. Other than that one area though, my skin is pretty good so I keep wishing for a speedy healing so I can start to get better.
I am also very fair and have sensitive skin so again this may not happen to you. I am just mentioning the friction issue so you can avoid it if possible. It only started to show up on my 20th sessions and by then it was too late for me.
Good luck everyone.
Wendy
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Well I had my very first major meltdown today. 4 radiation treatments and I don't want to go back. ( it's not them its me). My aunt has been on my last nerve, she drives me everywhere ( legally blind and don't drive ). I tried to express to her how she has been shooting me down on everything I say. She went ballistic. Told me I don't have cancer ( true since they took it out) and radiation was just a precaution and not a big deal ( she chose not to have it with her BC ) and that she is sick of me being all mopey. ( which is not true I have worked very hard at staying positive and in the now). Ugh I am feeling so overwhelmed. I have other issues going on besides BC. I have several autoimmune disorders and am being diagnosed with second eye disease that been untreated for it looks like quite some time. Tired irritable and disconent.
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Frefluterb, Your Aunt has a serious problem. She is mean! Can you call the Rads Center and see if they offer free rides for your treatments? Because you need a break from that toxic woman. Please ask for some assistance for the rides. There are so many wonderful volunteers who would love to assist you.
As for "being all mopey", I think that is a sign of being normal. Who could smile all the time going through this? And although you had the tumor removed and clean nodes, there may still be cancer cells too small to detect that radiation should destroy giving you the best chance of no recurrence. Unless your aunt had a mastectomy and her MO's recommendation not to have RT, I think she was foolish; but that was her decision.
Stay strong! Know that we are all in your pocket, cheering you on.
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