Anyone else had a small tumour with many lymph nodes involved?

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eaglemom
eaglemom Member Posts: 76

My biopsy showed IDC, grade 1, approx 1cm in size. I had BMx with selected lymph node removal on March 23rd and am still waiting for the pathology report. I got a verbal over the phone that 6 of 12 nodes were involved. That's all I know so far. I was quite surprised and very bummed about the nodes as I fully hoped (expected?) that they would be clear or maybe just one. But 6!? With a relatively small, low grade tumour? I know nothing about hormone receptor or HER2 status or how extensive the cancer was in the lymph nodes. The waiting is so hard. I'm trying to remain positive, but had a bit of a tough time today. Has anyone else had something similar? Any words of advice or encouragement?

Kornelia

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  • munlyn
    munlyn Member Posts: 15
    edited April 2015

    Hello...sorry you are going through this. I had what they thought was just DCIS, but luckily they did sentinel node biopsy. Dr. Found two nodes with micromets. Invasive tumor was only .5 mm. But it was grade 3..very aggressive. D took out 3 more nodes that were clear. But they were surprised to find pos. Nodes at all. Some big tumors are quiet and some tiny ones are crazy and like to spread. I hope someone else can chime in. And give you advice. I was agressive with tx. I am Brca 2 pos. as well. I hope all goes well for you.

  • eaglemom
    eaglemom Member Posts: 76
    edited April 2015

    Thanks for replying munlyn. I still don't have info on hormone receptor or HER2 status, but I did find out that there were 6 nodes with gross (macroscopic) invasion and one with micro. The largest was 12mm and extranodal. The primary tumour in my breast was only 9mm. I have since found some other ladies in the stage III forum with similar. I'm sure my treatment will be very aggressive. I meet with my MO on May 6th and will hopefully learn more before then and at the consultation.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited April 2015

    I had a smallish tumor (1.5-1.7 cm.) with one grossly involved node (it showed up on the US and was biopsied, so I've known about it all along). I'm surprised yours weren't IDed prior to surgery and I am really shocked that you're not only still waiting on your pathology report but also for such basic info as your HR and HER2 status. That must be horrible.

    You're probably correct that your treatment will be pretty aggressive. I hope it is also extremely effective. Good luck with all of it.

  • eaglemom
    eaglemom Member Posts: 76
    edited April 2015

    Thanks Hopeful. The only hint that there was anything in my nodes was my GP who felt that one node was enlarged. I'm glad that the bad ones have been removed and also hope that my treatment will be very effective. Was your neoadjuvant AI effective? Will you have any more treatments? Have you had your LX yet? I wish you a good recovery.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited April 2015

    Thanks, Kornelia, for your good wishes.

    So far as we know, the neoadjuvant Femara has been very effective. A repeat biopsy after 1 month on Femara showed that the replication rate had dropped from 43% to 4% and both the tumor and node were shrinking. My last US (February) showed a normal cortex to the node as well as shrinkage of the tumor. Neither the node nor the tumor have been palpable since that time. However, the real proof will be in the pathology report, of course.

    I was supposed to have surgery last week and came down with a bug and had to postpone until 6 May, much to my chagrin. My surgeon will remove the marked node (it has a clip in it) and one or two more and have a frozen section done during surgery. If all is clear no more nodes come out. If there's residual disease she'll make a decision at that time as to how to proceed.

    I won't be celebrating though until we get the path. report - and I hope that won't take forever! After surgery I'll have to do radiation, then Femara for 10 (or more) years. Crossing my fingers that chemo won't be needed but, again, that's dependent on the path. report, the PEPI score and maybe the Oncotype.

    It is hard, hard, hard to wait isn't it, particularly when you kind of suspect what might be ahead but really don't know. I will be thinking of you on the 6th and will look forward to an update after your consultation. If you can, do try to tape your consult (your smart phone or a little recorder can be your best friend during all of this). It's so helpful to be able to concentrate on what your MO is saying and on your own questions rather than trying to take notes and missing things. Going back to listen again later has been an enormous help to me.

    In the meantime, take good care of yourself and come here anytime you need some tea and sympathy or a chance to vent. I hope you are healing well and regaining your strength. We had a lovely day here in Oregon today and I hope you did, too, and that you got to enjoy it despite everything. It WILL get better - it takes time, but hang in there and let us help.

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited April 2015

    Eaglemom, your story is MY story.  At first, it felt like we were being snakebit, over and over.  Breast cancer...sentinel node positive...4 nodes with macro, 2 with micro...  I went from needing a lumpectomy with a week of radiation needed to full-blown, chemo/mastectomy/radiation/kitchen sink mode.

    The tumor was 1.2 cm.  BUT...it had a small (3-4 inch) umbrella of dermal lymphatic invasion over it that no one really noticed until after the lumpectomy and axillary lymph node clearance.  I'm 100% positive that the estrogen/progesterone disc I'd worn on my abdomen for 13 months caused a small flicker of breast cancer to burst into aggressive flames. 

    And now, after the kitchen sink treatment, I'M DOING FINE.  You will too!  PM me if you have any questions!

  • eaglemom
    eaglemom Member Posts: 76
    edited May 2015

    That sounds great on the neoadjuvant Femara, Hopeful! I'm sorry you got sick and had to postpone surgery. I guess it's on for tomorrow then? I wish you a successful surgery, quick and pain free recovery, and no bad SEs. Thanks for the tip to record my MO meeting. I will do that. I'll be thinking about you tomorrow and wishing you well.

    Thanks for your note sbelizabeth. I'm sorry you had the same "worse with every result" scenario. I'm glad you got through it all ok and are doing well. It's stories like yours that give me hope. It will be good to have a plan in place and get the next phase going. Scary, but good to make progress in beating this.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited May 2015
    Thanks so very much, Kornelia, for your thoughtful note. I really appreciate it. Have you received any more info? How much longer until your appt. With your MO?
  • jacee
    jacee Member Posts: 1,384
    edited May 2015

    eaglemom....I also had a Grade 1 tumor. It was 5 mm, but had spread to 2 different lymph node chains...the axillary and internal mammary node( near sternum. I had 3 nodes positive total. Like you I was shocked! My tumor was ER/PR +, HER2-. Everything about my tumor was the most favorable characteristics, yet it was on the move. I had a double Mx and axillary node disection. As well, my surgeon was able to remove the IMN node. I had 6 months of chemo (AC/T), followed by 37 radiation treatments. I just finished 5 years of Femara. I had a delayed DIEP flap reconstruction.Ijust passed my 6 year mark!! I know you are very overwhelmed right now. The more info you get, the better. And once a plan is in place, you will feel better. You can do this!! If I can be of any help, please let me know! Hugs!


  • eaglemom
    eaglemom Member Posts: 76
    edited May 2015

    I don't have any more info on hormone receptor status. Hopefully my MO will have that when I meet with them tomorrow at 12:45. My MO is over 4 hours from my home so my dd and I drove to where my dh usually stays (an hour and a half closer) tonight and we'll ail drive the rest of the way in the morning. We'll be staying in Victoria area until Sunday since my m-i-l lives close by and my s-i-l and b-i-l will be coming for a visit from California on Friday. It will be good to get a bit of a visit with family. My s-i-l is also a cancer survivor (7 years; grade III, large tumour but no nodes).

    Thanks for checking in jacee.Congratulations on 6 years; that's great! I'm hoping for ER/Pr+, HER2- since that seems to have the best prognosis. I'm assuming I'll have 6 rounds of ACT and then rads (4 to 6 weeks) but should find out more tomorrow. I see you had your ovaries removed and then Femara. Was that given to you as an option to Tamoxifen? I'm 52 and just at the very beginning of menopause, only missed one period and have been a little more irregular, no hot flashes or anything but I have been having peri-menopausal headaches for years. Since my mom is a (3 time!) ovarian cancer survivor, I'm wanting to get genetic testing and would probably prefer to have my ovaries removed either way the test comes out. Tamoxifen doesn't sound so good. How has the Femera been?

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited May 2015
    Kornelia, good luck tomorrow.I hope your consult is VERY productive and helpful. I've only been on Femara for 7 months but have had virtually no issues with it. I'm looking at 10 years on it and that doesn't bother me in the least. It's very much hit and miss of course, but if you do get it I hope you do well with it as well.
  • jacee
    jacee Member Posts: 1,384
    edited May 2015

    Eaglemom...I was already scheduled for a hysterectomy when I got diagnosed with BC. When we saw it was 98% ER+, I chose to have the oopherectomy as well. I was 49 at diagnosis, but that put me in to menopause, so Tamoxifen wasn't an option. I was one of the few who had a hard time with Femara. Ended up only taking a half pill a day for 4 1/2 years. After 6 months on a full dose, my side effects were severe. I think the combination of the ovaries being removed and Femara was a shock to my system. However, my estrogen level was at 0 on Femara, so it did it's job! I hope your appt today goes well, and you get all the info you need. I always asked for copies of every lab report, scan report, surgery report, pathology report. It really helped to have that at home, so I could research. Hugs!

  • eaglemom
    eaglemom Member Posts: 76
    edited May 2015

    I had my consultation with my MO today. It went very well and I really like him. He was great; answered just about all my questions before I had to ask and laid out all my options with numbers to back them up and didn't push anything. My prognosis is better than I had thought. Great news on hormone and protein receptor status; ER/PR+++ (8/8 Allred score on both), HER2- ~yay! He said my mom's ovarian cancer and my breast cancer is enough reason to order genetic testing for me. HRT should be pretty effective and I have a couple of different options for chemo. I could either go with DD AC/T or DC; a gen 2 chemo. The DC would be 4 3-week cycles and the DD AC/T would be 4 2-week cycles of each, so either 3 months of easier or 4 months of harder chemo. The difference in prognosis at 10 years between the 2 chemo regimen is 0-2%. With the DD AC/T I would probably be getting Neupogen.My MO said that the Neupogen cost is not covered by our provincial health care but there is a program by the drug company to subsidize the cost for those of us without extended health insurance. Basically, they make enough money on the drugs (Neulasta, etc) that they can afford to give some away cheaply.

    My s-i-l will be here in a couple days. I spoke with her on the phone after my appointment today and she told me she did the DD AC/T 7 years ago and had an easier time with the AC than the T. My other s-i-l, who is a doctor and just went through DCIS, will talk with her MO about my path results to get a second opinion about my treatment choices.

    I will go to chemo teach while I'm here in Victoria on Friday and see about the possibility of getting my surgeon back home to put a port in for me before he goes away in a week and a half. I don't have my first chemo session scheduled yet, but things are starting to fall into place and once I've decided which way to go, I'm sure it won't be too long..

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited May 2015

    I'm so glad to hear the news about your ER/PR/HER, Kornelia. That certainly does help a lot, doesn't it??

    I'm glad you've got family there/coming to process all of this and draw on their insights, too. That's another big plus.

    A word of advice re: genetic testing; see if they will approve you for not only BRCA1/2 testing but also an extended panel (I believe it's called BART). It's not much more than the BRCAs and can reveal significant mutations that you would need to know about. My insurer/Genetic Counselor didn't want to do the full panel but my surgeon insisted and it's a good thing she did. Feel free to PM me if you have questions.

    At any rate, I'm glad you've FINALLY gotten some answers (and good ones at that) and are putting your plan in place. I hope you can enjoy these next few days in lovely Victoria, even with chemo class thrown in to the mix.

  • NATSGSG
    NATSGSG Member Posts: 231
    edited May 2015


    Hello Ladies: I just want to wish everyone here well in your treatment plan. I really love this place reading and learning about everyone's cancer and how you are all coping with it....this forum page is the best....most everyone's helping and supporting each other, and being positive at all times. Thank you again.

  • lulu2533
    lulu2533 Member Posts: 108
    edited May 2015

    hello eaglemom...so yeah, we are pretty close with diagnosis. I just had my bmx May 19 with sln. I am grade 1 and have at least one node positive. Just waiting on full path report then on to chemo.

  • PatRN10
    PatRN10 Member Posts: 332
    edited May 2015

    lulu, if it just stays just 1lymph node do you think you might be able to escape chemo?

  • lulu2533
    lulu2533 Member Posts: 108
    edited May 2015

    Not sure. My BS said chemo but I guess until we get the whole report, PET scan, and then whatever the Tumor Board suggests we won't really know.

    It would be nice to not need it but I am ok with it. I did go thru chemo before when I had lymphoma so I am not totally blind going into this whole experience...ugh.

  • PatRN10
    PatRN10 Member Posts: 332
    edited May 2015


    I get my surgical report today. Good luck Lulu. Keep us posted !

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2015

    Hi Kornelia, I had a 2c and 6/11 + nodes, with a high grade 1 on the Nottingham scale, so I'm much like you. I think my ILC, which hides from scans, migrated sideways instead of growing bigger--which it, in its weird nature, tends to do.

    You may be put into chemopause as I was, so you could avoid an ooph and see if that happens. If so, you could avoid a surgery and go right to an aromatase inhibitor.

    Hang onto the stats of smaller tumor, lower grade, which are positives to our health, and try to ignore the + node status. I fixate on it sometimes after all these years and it scares me still. I feel like I got a C in cancer diagnosis, while so many others here got an a A+, when they celebrate node negative status on their pathology.

    Claire


  • lulu2533
    lulu2533 Member Posts: 108
    edited May 2015

    PatRN10-good luck with your surgical results. Hope all is well. I'm hoping my results will be in by next Wed for my first post op appointment.

    Keep us posted...

  • lulu2533
    lulu2533 Member Posts: 108
    edited May 2015

    Anybody have any updates?

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited May 2015

    I had a small tumor, but it did go crazy in my nodes! Twenty-five of them! 2 were bigger than a golf ball, and others were mashed together, and just a mess! I am still here!

  • PatRN10
    PatRN10 Member Posts: 332
    edited May 2015

    update my one node was negative. :0)

  • lulu2533
    lulu2533 Member Posts: 108
    edited May 2015

    Pat, that is great!

  • lulu2533
    lulu2533 Member Posts: 108
    edited May 2015

    Tomboy, yipes. Do you think that was because it was grade 3?

    My tumor is grade 1. It just kinda shocked me to have node involvement with it being "slow-growing"

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