Gene mapping reveals soy's dynamic, differing roles in BC

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http://medicalxpress.com/news/2015-04-gene-reveals...


Gene mapping reveals soy's dynamic, differing roles in breast cancer

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  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited April 2015

    interesting read....thanks for sharing.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited April 2015

    It really is quite odd. Thanks for posting.

  • Snowgirl63
    Snowgirl63 Member Posts: 83
    edited May 2015

    Hi I'm a little confused after reading the article. I am allergic to milk products they cause respiratory distress allergic reaction. Therefore I have been drinking soya milk since I was 33 when I finally discovered why I was so sick all the time with coughs and pneumonia. So should I not be drinking soya milk with my diagnosis? Cause that's what they say at the British Columbia cancer agency where I am being treated. And I really don't like the almond milk alternative

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited May 2015

    Snowgirl, I would think that making soy milk involves quite a lot of processing (but I don't know). Personally, I would not be ok with drinking soy milk and being ER+. Why do you have to drink milk at all?

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited May 2015

    Snow - personally I would either drink rice milk or coconut milk. Soy milk takes certain fermentation and I am not sure that's the case for the soy milk that's on the market. They taste different from the ones I had in HK/Beijing....and Chinese supermarkets in the US

  • kittysister
    kittysister Member Posts: 212
    edited May 2015

    What about regular 2% milk? I love milk and it's good for my bones. I can use all the help I can get, being on Femara.

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited May 2015

    pasteurized milk is acidic and it takes the calcium in the bone to neutralize it. That's why there's moreosteoporosis in the west than in the east

  • kittysister
    kittysister Member Posts: 212
    edited May 2015

    Just a quick question- a little off topic about soy- does anybody think it's beneficial to take calcium supplements? I'm pretty much screwed on what I eat and drink.

  • juneping
    juneping Member Posts: 1,594
    edited May 2015

    kayb - it could be the case. But I watched some documentary and in terms of moving...yes ppl move more and I personally don't see the impact can create that big of a difference. I am not a doc or a researcher but just use my own judgement. I do tell my family stop the milk consumption. Not worth the risk.

    Kitty - I don't think it hurts. I take calcium...what did you mean you are screwed by what you eat and drink

  • kittysister
    kittysister Member Posts: 212
    edited May 2015

    Hi, June- I didn't mean a thing except that my diet isn't the best. There seems to be soy or sugar in so much of what most people eat or drink. We have been discussing diet and such over on the IDC board .. and I happened upon the same topic of soy here on the Complementary one.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited May 2015
    Showgirl have you tried hemp milk? I use it instead of milk, soy milk, etc in smoothies, some baking, or to drink.

    As far as calcium, it, taken w/ magnesium and Vit. D has protective effects against colon cancer. I was advised by my gastroenterologist, long before dx, that I should add it to my regimen.
  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited May 2015

    Some women at my holistic cancer group said the other day that many Ca supps contain lead and should be avoided. I don't remember which kind though so you may want to investigate.

  • kittysister
    kittysister Member Posts: 212
    edited May 2015

    See, I have often wondered if anything is safe. As for milk, I always drank it as much for the protein as the calcium. I might drink one glass a day. Other days, I just add a little to cereal. I am going to check into the organic kind though, even though the expense may stop me in my tracks.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2015

    I like it fpr the sleepy properties, a bit in cocoa before bed for instance. have cut way back though & only organic. a bit of organic is better than a whole lot of not

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited May 2015

    Kittysister, I love milk too.  I used to drink at least two glasses of it every day.  Then after my almost 100% estrogen-positive diagnosis, I met with a dietitian.  Apparently cow's milk is pretty high in estrogen, even the organic, no-hormones-added kind.  The cow herself is loaded with estrogen which she passes along in her milk.  My dietitian recommended no more than a few glasses of milk a week, if that.

    So now I just don't buy milk for myself.  I miss it a bit, but it's no big deal anymore.  My husby drinks rice milk, which I'm not crazy about.

  • SQ23
    SQ23 Member Posts: 2
    edited May 2015

    I like  Butter Pecan Glucerna instead of milk of any kind. I tried the others too and didn't care too much for them. My doctor suggested I try Glucerna because it's low in sugar and has vitamins and minerals. I keep it ice cold in the fridge , to drink and use on my cereal.  I especially like it in corn flakes cereal for breakfast. I don't ever drink it late in the day, because it gives me energy and keeps me awake.  My friend, who's also a breast cancer survivor, freezes it in little containers and eats it like ice cream. I've survived 26 years without soy products and I'm doing fine so far. I'm not a salesperson for Glucerna, lol, and Butter Pecan is my favorite.

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited May 2015

    Glucerna has both milk & soy protein in it

  • NineTwelve
    NineTwelve Member Posts: 569
    edited May 2015

    I think I would choose cow's milk or soy milk over the Glucerna:

    Ingredients

    Water, Corn Maltodextrin, Milk Protein Concentrate, Fructose, Glycerol, Short-Chain Fructooligosaccharides, Soy Protein Isolate, High Oleic Safflower Oil. Less than 1% of the Following: Canola Oil, Soy Oil, Natural & Artificial Flavor, Magnesium Phosphate, Potassium Citrate, Cellulose Gel, Salt, Choline Chloride, Ascorbic Acid, Calcium Phosphate, Sodium Citrate, Cellulose Gum, Potassium Phosphate, Monoglycerides, Soy Lecithin, Calcium Carbonate, Potassium Hydroxide, Potassium Chloride, Carrageenan, Liquid Sucralose, Acesulfame Potassium, Ferrous Sulfate, Magnesium Chloride, Zinc Sulfate, dl-Alpha-Tocopheryl Acetate, Niacinamide, Manganese Sulfate, Calcium Pantothenate, Cupric Sulfate, Vitamin A Palmitate, Folic Acid, Thiamine Chloride Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Chromium Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Biotin, Sodium Molybdate, Potassium Iodide, Sodium Selenate, Phylloquinone, Cyanocobalamin, and Vitamin D3.
    Contains milk and soy ingredients.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited May 2015

    I have looked at various milks and milk alternatives. As far as I can make out, the natural estrogen in milk is carried in the fat. I never drink milk, but I do use it on my muesli and in my coffee. I just buy low-fat milk, and when I can find it I get buffalo milk rather than cow milk. I try to avoid cheese, but am rarely completely successful. I stick to white cheeses and to cheeses made from goat and sheep milk. The reason being that goats, sheep and buffalo are not milked (to the best of my knowledge) when they are pregnant, while cows nowadays are. Milking them when pregnant greatly increases the estrogen content of the milk.

  • Snowgirl63
    Snowgirl63 Member Posts: 83
    edited May 2015

    Hi everyone, I am allergic to milk products so have been drinking soya for lots of years. I've tried the coconut milk and almond milk and don't like them.I drink soya for the calcium and for the protein. As I don't eat eggs or yogurt so I am limited for a protein so i have a fruit smoothie for breakfast The soya milk I drink isn't processed much I think and is certified organic. Phytoestrogens are different than the estrogen in our body and reports I read said it was beneficial.. But I'm not so sure. I have so much to learn. I was taking an anti depressant called abilify and it stimulates prolactin and then they added a sleeping med called trazadone and then the tumor developed both these meds mess with prolactin running through the breast and stimulate milk production and who knows what else. I found the lump when my breast were engorged with milk from the meds. I should read some more I guess I feel so sick on the letrozole want to boost my immune system and hope for the best and you guys have so many excellent ideas so I will keep reading. And consider what to do next

    Thank you for your help :) most of all for the are you show in your responses.

  • Snowgirl63
    Snowgirl63 Member Posts: 83
    edited May 2015

    Kayb thank you for that informative read on shedding the light on soya... That makes me feel a whole lot better.

    T

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited June 2015

    this supports other stuff that I have read - that soy food, like tofu and tempeh, are helpful, but soy supplements, like soy protein isolate (found in lots of "health" food and protein bars) is dangerous. Thanks for sharing that article

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited June 2015

    This was very interesting and helpful to me.

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