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I was dx 7 years ago with ILC 2.2cm 7 positive nodes grade 1 ER+ PR- HER -. I was told my prognosis was not good. Small tumor wanting to go somewhere! And also told the PR- is bad. I spend time each day waiting for my cancer to metastasize. I see a therapist for my anxiety. I have a family history of breast cancer and have the dense breast. I always did my mammogram but like so many with ILC it didn't work for me. What is your story and how are you doing? I had DD AC and T, and have been on arimidex for 7 years. I am 63 years old.
I think the hardest part I am having is the anger. So many women go on to live a full life, breast cancer being an ugly bump in the road, for many something they can forget. We just retired. I took social security at 62 and didn't wait for full payment. We had saved to buy a condo when we retired. Now talking about not doing that since my husband may want something different when I am gone. Even had talks about him finding a new spouse. He is so supportive and is frightened by all this but I want him to be prepared. I am so tired of people saying I could be hit by a truck tomorrow or by the fact that life isn't fair. I know this, still hard to deal with.
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sounds like our dx was similar ... except they removed 7 cm during lumpectomy and found almost that much remaining when i had my mast .... i too have a family history of bc plus lung, brain, colorectal, prostate, and esophogeal ....
i too retired early and started soc sec at 62 just in case (64 now) ... and we too had saved up over the years with the idea of retiring and buying a get-a-way place ....
dh and i had "the discussion" about what if, figured out options and planned the finances should one of us go then wrote down the plan and put it in the desk drawer where it stays ... i'm the finances person in the family and it gives me peace of mind to know that he can reach in to the drawer, pull out the plan and know where he stands if something happens
in the meantime we found our get-a-way place that we enjoy tremendously ... it is on a 2 mile trail down to the beach which we walk regularly ... a compromise was that it was less expensive than the original plan so that if something does happen then the other person is not left in a fire sale panic position and since it is older there are always little projects to do but we take them one at a time (ok with maybe a break in between (hey we're retired !) ) and sit on the deck often and watch the birds, hills, shadows, read a book and chat ...
i'm glad you found a therapist you feel comfortable with and can talk to about your anxiety and anger ... everyone is different .... for my sister it was, as you put it, a bump in the road but for me a bit more like a stretch of dirt road ... i hope you find the peace of mind that will allow you and your dh to enjoy retirement ... lots of hugs
i'm a bit superstitious so i'm not changing my tag line to 11 years until next month !!
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I am not PR-, but I read your post and wanted to hug you and tell you to LIVE while you are alive!! "They" can say anything they want about cancer predictions, but every person is different. If you read enough posts here, you realize that cancer does not follow a flight plan and it refuses to obey doctors. It is a crapshoot!
I'm a worrier about health and I have slowly tried to let it go. My DH is 17 years older than me and his retirement was postponed long enough for me to have my surgery and then move on.
Once we have cancer, we are never the same. Between treatments and worry and the "C" word.....but it doesn't have to mean our lives are worse. Don't let cancer win!! Don't die before you are dead!! Don't cheat yourself of great years while you are here...IF, and this is a big IF, the cancer comes back, there are newer and better treatments than even 7 years ago. I hold on to the hope that the immuno-therapy/vaccines will make cancer a chronic thing or possibly even a CURE. Yes, I'm saying it..a CURE.
They've made great strides in other cancers so why not hope for this?
Don't cheat yourself of a great relationship with your DH and the future you planned. If you have to change the plan, that is fine, but don't give up on it. Don't foist fear on yourself and your DH....what if you are lucky enough to be like julia child and live to 93!!
Life gives no one a guarantee....that google exec that died at 46 when he fell off the treadmill on a family vacation in Mexico....who can know how or when it will happen. EVERYONE will die....it is just a matter of time. HOW we choose to live is our choice as best as we can plod along. Your DH may not want to remarry; your DH might get to love the house you two plan to get...if he doesn't, he can always sell it should the need come.
My DH reminds me every day, that no one is promised a tomorrow and that life isn't fair; but we each can at least not cheat our own selves of the time we have while we have it!
I know your fear and your anger. My first year was a weep-fest and an anger fest....I'm still not pleased about getting cancer and I do get bouts of fear/anger, but I no longer let it last for days and weeks....and I have started planning as if I may make it. It is OK to plan and have those plans change, but why change them before you have to!!!
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Jenn and Wallycat....Thank you for your upbeat responses. I told my therapist that I wanted to go back to who I was. He said no you don't you want to go ahead to the future. You need to look at that with positive thoughts and work if necessary to make it that way...
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JudyO, you are smart to see a therapist. I refused. I was told to see "someone" and to join a support group, but I had to dig myself out of this myself. I still have bad days, but I do try to look at the bigger picture.
I smile when I look at my DH and that is priceless to me. He is so practical and matter of fact, and most days, that is exactly what I need. He told me that I should plan ...and if we change plans, that is OK. And that he was sorry if he died first, but we still plan and hope he continues his great health...if it changes, that's when we will deal with it.
I hope you can see the bigger and better picture and give yourself permission to enjoy the life and years you have. I sometimes think that I spent a good deal of time blaming myself---as if it were my fault that our family were affected by this beast. But again, my DH said..." wow, you think you have that much control and power...and if you did, that you would pick this for yourself?" Once my brain accepted that blaming myself was silly, things became easier.
This is NOT our fault. no one wants to be sick and no one wants cancer....we are dealt the cards we are dealt and then we can only do what we can do...enjoying life is something we can try to do
Best to you! Post back when you buy that condo!!
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Hi JudyO, I'm a ILC ER+PR-, too, although the Oncotype came back ever so slightly PR positive . I was 57 at dx and just turned 67. I was absolutely convinced I would have mets long before this and be dead by now. I still think this will come back someday. I was also very much overwhelmed by it all. That lasted for years, unfortunately. I'm still afraid, but it doesn't take over my life as much, now. I don't think we can move on until we realize we have no other choice, my two cents. It didn't matter much to me what others said, I just wasn't ready yet. I think I had to adjust to the meds, the trauma, my "pending death" (as I saw it), etc. I, too, retired earlier than planned, put things in place financially, started dealing with things differently than before. Looking back I think I made the right choices, amazing considering my state of mind at the time. I found 2 books, recommended on the Stage 4 forum, that I read out of pretty much daily. They have helped me. I did try a couple sessions with a counselor at my oncologist's center, but it wasn't what I needed.
The one true thing for all of us is "change". It's happening perpetually, like it or not. Over the last 10 years I've experienced wonderful and awful things that have happened to loved ones and to me. I would never have anticipated any of them, and that's life. It goes on until it doesn't and we have no control at all.
I understand what you are saying in your post, I have walked that path myself. I wish you all the best as you move ahead with the next steps in your life. Hugs, G. -
Thanks Gitane for the encouragement. I think what has made me so nervous lately is that I have have hit a stretch of loved ones dieing. Ones that I thought would be here a long time. Makes you look at life differently.
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Judy, congrats on 7 years.....
My dx is similar to yours. My PR+, is noted as weakly, 4%. My 6 nodes were matted, bursting open, much bigger than the primary tumor. I have been told also, not a positive outcome. A nurse practictioner, that specializes in Breast cancer told me my future was "uncertain".
My 2 years cancerversary will be in mid July. It's with me all day, everyday. But I have returned to my active lifestyle. I expect the worse, I have no idea how many years it would take for me to change my thinking.
I have read here, that many stage 3 ladies expect it to come back, in bone, liver, lung or brain. It makes sense that our odds are much higher than a stage 1 gal, with no nodes involved. Easier to emotionally accept that, than to think we are cured.
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Heleinone, I think you should take comfort in that our situations are similar and I have made 7 years! Uncertain can go both ways...I know I always go negative but it can also be positive. Judy
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Hi. guys --diagnosed in Feb with stage III ILC in my right breast, after a bout of Stage 1 IDC and Stage 0 DCIS in the left. Mammo was fine this time; ultrasound showed a dense area that was of some concern, but perhaps only needed monitoring. My insistence that something was drastically wrong resulted in a MRI that showed a 5 cm mass of highly suspicious tissue. Turned out the be ILC, , ER+, PR-, HER-; two positive lymph nodes. So...here I am, post bilateral mastectomy and currently doing chemo.
I don't know if this will kill me...maybe eventually it will. Or maybe something else will. Thirteen years ago. I asked my doctor when I could stop worrying about dying of breast cancer. He said "the day you die of something else". I guess I don't want to spend a lot of time worrying about things that might kill me.
However, I do want women [and their doctors] to be more aware of the "sneaky nature" of lobular cancer. I'm still saying to myself - how did this happen when I was being monitored so regularly? I've overcome my desire to punch the mammo radiologist in the nose...almost. But it's still a tempting thought.
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Judy
I am also almost 7 years out-- there was some controversy about my PR-- oncotype had it at - and pathology at +....
anyway, I think you get past it when you get past it. I did find therapy helfpul- and I discovered, as a human being, I need alot of reassurance, so I found ways to get it. Got it here from people who were further out, in therapy, from my h, from my docs. I journaled a great deal. I found the mental gymnastics so much harder than the physical challenges. I will say I rarely think of bc- except when I come to the site to be helpful. I did get a very minor case of thyroid cancer last year and that brought it all back, but only for a short while.
I do think it is good to be prepared. I have been slowly doing things like wills, financial planning, etc. But, the fact is, I would have to do that anyway--- we all need to be prepared because crazy things happen in life. But I completely understand how this can play with your head in ways that are very disturbing and hard to combat. I find that exercise, some mediation and really being with people I enjoy help me. I have very little patience now for difficult people or people or things that drain me. I am feeling very professionally challenged right now, and I find that draining-and from that I can go to the "bad place" in my head. But, then again, I often tell myself "you have been through harder things" when I feel life things bearing down on me. And you have too.....
Know that we all understand and that each of us manages that little demon in our own way. I wish you peace and a lovely long retirement.
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I know how you feel, I was stage 3C ILC with 9 nodes involved. I just was scanned and they found a large lymph node on my non-cancer side and the radiologist is going to order a PET scan. I have been always waiting for that other shoe to drop.
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I was very angry that I was such a fanatic about mammos and health and then got this ILC. My brother and dad both have died from cancer I the last 2 years which adds to the grief and paranoiaIt only 6 months since the dig oaks but. I think about BC probably almost every hour. Counseling has helped a lot. We are trying to live in the moment Just bought a new RV I'm 62 now and on disability due to my chemo neuropathy. Trying to decide if I go back to the same work or what. Don't want to have regrets if this comes back On the other hand my mothers best friend got BC and it didn't come back for 20 years, but her husband the healthy one had a massive heart attack and was gone at 54. All we have for sure is the moment
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