DIEP 2015
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no fun, me! Hope everything starts working out so you can begin healing again
Andrea - that would be very disappointing - I hear you re: being emotionally and mentally prepared, it has taken me a while to get there - I'm not sure how I would react if I had similar news. Hope you can stay busy and that June 15th comes quickly for you
Thinking of Melissa today, hope all went well and that we hear from you soon
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Ladies, I will be having my stage II this Thursday and can hardly wait. Does anyone have any advice they'd like to share so I can experience a successful recovery? Things you wishedyou knew before, etc. I typically am very well prepared ahead of time, but this time of year I am crazy busy so I've not had a lot of time to think about this next step. Anything you can share is appreciated!!!
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I think getting up and about as often as you can helps a lot. Also use your incentive spirometer as much as you can to get the anesthesia out of your lungs. I don't like pain meds but I stood up straighter when I used then which I think helped in the long run. You will know what to do! Best wishes for a smooth recovery!
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My PS is back from his honeymoon to South Africa. He is talking me to the OR Thursday to debride the opened suture lines and remove the fat necrosis. He said that that breast will end up noticeably smaller than my other breast. He asked me if I wanted him to bring the other breast down in size to match it (via liposuction). I just couldn't face having two spots of surgery at this time, so I told him no.
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ME, it really will end up smaller. Mine was considerably smaller. I chose to do fat grafting to add to the smaller breast. I did not want the good one touched again. One with tissue loss was enough. Just food for thought. I did not want to take a chance that the second breast could end up with healing issues.I can send you a few pictures if you want. Just let me know.
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jbdayton, that was my thought exactly. I didn't want the behaving foob touched, and I didn't trust a match via liposuction. I didn't go through the DIEP to have stuff removed. I didn't select a DIEP to have a "small" implant placed under my chest muscle, either. If this had been taken care of two weeks ago when the problem started, I would not have such a large area of necrosis and tissue lost from a mild infection (his words). I am so angry that the doctors that were supposed to cover for him didn't see me. And this is supposed to be a state of the art university medical center. Angry 😠.
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ME, poor you! I'm not surprised that you are angry! .... It is bad enough that you are having these issues, without feeling that something could, and should, have been done about it earlier!
I would too feel angry, frustrated, disappointed, sad about the way things are turning out. I know that I too wanted to avoid implant, however "small", and that is why we choose this route, as much as any reason! I felt I had a higher risk myself for failure, given my clotting history, and it was a great leap of faith for me to go ahead, but I decided that I could not try for it out of fear that it might not work out the way I wanted.
I do feel that eventually you will have a result that you are content with. Your journey is going to be longer than many others, for sure, but I think you will get there. Meanwhile, rant away!
Hugs to you for tomorrow!
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How many inches have y'all lost from the tummy?
Michelle
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Question -- I'm having range of motion issues with one shoulder. The issues didn't start until about 10 months after my DIEP surgery and have been persistent for about 6 months now. I've had an x-ray and ultrasound and the diagnosis is inflammation of the suprapinatus tendon and shoulder impingement. I've been going to physio for about 5 months now and we can't seem to get it cleared up -- I seldom have pain any more (which I did have) but still have ROM issues.
Here's where the DIEP connection (?) comes in -- when my physio is working on my shoulder joint and moving my arm up and back over my head (think raising your hand straight up but lying down), I have a pulling sensation at the bottom of that breast -- almost like there is something attached that is being pulled. I don't have the sensation other side. The only thing my physio can think of is that I have developed scar tissue in that breast that is pulling somehow, and perhaps pulling my shoulder forward slightly which is causing the impingement.
I'm going to make an appointment to go see my PS, but thought someone might have had a similar issue and some advice re: how to resolve.
Thanks all!
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Hi Ridley,
Is it on the same side you had lymph node biopsy? The reason I ask is sometimes cording or AWS(axillary web syndrome) can develop and cause issues with range of motion. Here is a link explaining what it is. You should ask to see a PT/OT who specializes in lymphedema. That is who diagnosed my cording even though I had not noticed I had it.
http://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/side_effects... .
I developed issues with ROM on my non cancer side which has taken about 3 months with PT to get most function back. I also saw a lymphedema certified PT who noticed the cording on the side I had a lymph node biopsy ( although my ROM on that side was not as severe as the opposite side). She told me that usually it is the side with cording that can cause these issues. It can be subtle and still cause ROM issues. With massage it is slowly resolving. My PS didn't really know what it was. Just a thought. I hope you feel better soon! I know how frustrating it is to not have full use of your arm! I had my surgery in December and am just going back to work this week. Let me know how it goes.
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I am having a similar issue with impingement type symptoms on my original mastectomy/ANC side. Mine actually started last fall after I had to spend the best part of an hour having a breast MRI, lying on my tummy with my arms stretched above my head. I was mad about that, because I'd been fine all summer, dragon boating, but I'm told it is likely a tendinopathy (thickening) resulting from the radiation as well as your point about scar tissue altering the shoulder mechanics.
My left shoulder is now considerably reduced in range, especially since the reconstruction, and subsequent limitation of elevation allowed initially, and with definite feelings of cording in the axilla and down into the chest wall. My original scar was SO bound down, right from the get-go, as they took a chunk of pec muscle with my mastectomy, to ensure clear margins
I started having symptoms down at the elbow as well (like epicondylitis), but I did have some laser and deep tissue work done by my PT which seems to have improved that. It all sucks really. I'm thinking I might only be able to paddle on the left side now (right arm raised). Now I'm back working and busy with life, I don't seem to be giving my shoulder exercises the attention they should be getting!
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Ugh Morwenna! Thank you for giving me the motivation I need to really stay on top of my exercises. I still have most of my range of movement. It's just very painful. The thing that freaks me out is that they have never done an MRI to *really* know what's going on. Everyone is just making assumptions and I get worried that I'm doing more damage. That sucks you have to go through what you are. Is that for life or can it get better?
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It's official now! My DEIP is scheduled for June 4th. The paper my PS gave me said I can drive in 5 - 10 days or as soon as I am no longer on pain pills. Realistically how long was it before you started driving again? I'm so looking forward to getting rid of my TE after almost a year and a half but at the same time dread the thought of surgery and having my summer screwed up again. She doesn't do the lift on the opposite side at the same time. She says she gets much better results without fighting scar tissue by doing the lift a couple of months later when the flap has settled down and she is able to see what size I'll be. She did her residency at NOLA but I've never heard of this approach before. I'm guessing this surgery would include any stage 2 corrections that need to be made on the flap. Any thoughts? She'll be trying to reduce the scar tissue in my armpit from the radiation also. I'm hoping my shoulder will hurt less and have better range of motion. I did 5 weeks of PT which helped with ROM but did little for the pain. The more I use my arm the worse it gets. It feels like every time I use my peck muscles the TE sutures are pulled and hurt. My TE did rotate after surgery and is way out to the side.
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I didn't drive for a month. I was off pain pills after 2 or 3 weeks but I couldn't twist well enough to check my blind spot. I agree that waiting for the swelling to go down in the DIEP breast before matching the other side is a good idea.
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Hi ladies,Thanks to all of you for sharing your stories and experiences! I am awaiting a surgery date and wondered about the "tummy tuck" and how it may impact movement once healed. I like to dance, mainly Latin and soca dancing which involve a lot of winding of the waist, kinda like belly dancing. I'm wondering if anyone who has had the DEIP surgery has experienced any issues with their body movement once healed. I'm worried I wont be able to dance the same!
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Thanks Caligirl and Morwenna -- I had lymph nodes removed on both sides -- on the side with the shoulder issues, they (2) were removed in August 2013 and the issues with my shoulder didn't start until about October/November 2014, so I'm not sure the issues are lymph node removal related, but who knows! I guess I'll go and see my PS and see what he thinks.Ridley
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EveGibb, I'm 3 months out from my DIEP and have already enjoyed a belly dance session with my 7-year old daughter. My stomach feels tight when I sit at my desk too long and feels better when I'm up moving and stretching.
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I had my debridement yesterday, and ended up with a corneal abrasion. Went to the ER closest to my house. Had to go see my ophthalmologist this AM. 😠
Of course my PS put a drain in, but only in one foob not both.
I was supposed to be the best man at my 68 year old cousin's wedding tomorrow, but it is a two hour drive, so I had to cancel because I am just too fatigued.
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That sucks ME
Corneal abrasions are so painful too! I do hope you feel better soon. Rest up, my friend.
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CatMom and Brandi - thinking of you tomorrow, hope all goes well for you
ME - hope corneal abrasion is healing well and that you are feeling more rested this week
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I am thinking of everyone who is having surgery this week, those of you healing and for everyone else anticipating their future surgery. I am at week 5, and had my last checkup at the hospital today, released until later in the year for stage 2. My appointment was with a friend who is a PA at Kaiser (my surgeon is on maternity leave) who actually assisted on my operation, which was lovely but a bit surreal. I had also forgotten to get my pathology results form my op ( I can believe I hadn't been more concerned) My friend looked these up and all was fine - only DCIS on my right boob and sentinel lymph nodes (3) all came back clear.
I am still feeling a bit tired but mostly ready to get back to normality. I do feel I need to get back exercising but my stomach feels tight and sore if I start to pick up activity. I actually think I got up too quickly the other day and pulled something in my middle (everything feels quite connected at the moment) I'm thinking of taking it a bit more easy this week - hence why my kitchen and bedroom looks like the Mary Celeste. I am finally able to sleep partly on my side, although not always. Someone asked about how much people have lost on their waist. I didn't measure but it does really feel quite a lot and my trousers do slip down quite a bit and now need a belt (if only that wasn't sore on my tum). Also - driving - I started after 3 weeks - I was advised to take only short trips at first and not to drive if I was taking strong painkillers.
Did anyone take Iron supplements after their op? I was a little anemic just after my op - but haven't been tested recently. With medical agreement I decided to start to take a supplement for a month or two as I have been feeling tired. I am not sure if this is just a symptom of what feels to be a long 18 months since my diagnosis and the after effects of chemo, rads and two surgeries.
Looking forward to reading all your updates and big hugs to anyone who is having issues.
Sarah
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Just had my 6 week appointment follow up (at 8 weeks bc the doc is so busy). Things are looking good and ready for Stage 2. They're going to take some skin from my abdominal scar, extend it by an inch each side, and those will be my nipples. They'll do a little fat grafting, too, where there is a very slight indentation on my left boob. Anyone else had stage 2 yet? I'll have to look through the DIEP 2014 boards for more info on how theirs went.
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Hi,
I was diagnosed with the BRCA2 gene a couple of years ago, and after lots of tests and cysts, I've decided to go forward with a double prophylactic mastectomy, DIEP. The surgeon will be Dr. Bernard Lee at BIDMC Boston. Has anyone else had experience with Dr. Lee?
Also, if there are others who chose prophylactic mastectomy, I'm wondering if you waffled on it or felt scared? I've been back and forth on this for a while and even though I feel committed to the surgery now, at times I still feel nervous about whether I'll have any regrets. And I'm really nervous about what recovery will be like (pain, scarring, ability to get back to work/do my usual parenting), particularly since I'm a single mom of an 11 and 9 year old. Any insights and advice?
Thanks!
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Hi, Meded7 -- I can't speak for the BRCA part, but I think we all waffle a lot before surgery and question whether or not we are doing the right thing. I chose to have a prophylactic MX of the unaffected breast and probably should have questioned it more than I did! I found myself having to tell myself the story over and over of how in the heck I got to this place! Every time I came to the same conclusion -- this had to be done. I only had to look at my daughter to know it would be worth the trouble. My daughter was 4 when I had my original BMX and 7 when I had my recent DIEP, and she was so helpful during my recovery. She could carry things for me, bend over and pick things up, and bring me water. She loved how much time we could spend snuggling (carefully) and watching movies. It ended up being a nice down time to connect. It might be a scary time for your kids since they are older and understand more, but the fact that you are doing this pre-diagnosis might be a comfort to them. It was empowering to my daughter to know that she can help me. I don't know if you will have regrets, but I will bet that you have a great sense of relief when the surgery is behind you and the fear from a BRCA+ diagnosis is finally gone. There is a BRCA forum on bc.org. Best wishes!
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WalleGator, you and I are in a similar place. I had my 6 week checkup this week and everything is healing well as can be, though more slowly than I'd like. I, too, have an indentation at the top of my new breast from the mastectomy and I'll head back in August to have some lipo fat grafting to fill it in, and a little skin off the edge of my belly incision for a nipple. I think the new breast still looks kind of funny, round and flat, but that may get better as I continue healing. I'm going to a PS in Gainesville, FL because of his experience, and the 2 1/2 hour drive to get there is kind of a pain. I'm still sleeping on my back, trying for my side, but still hurting. I got the go ahead to resume physical activities and am starting back with yoga, very gently. I started walking 1/2 hour per day after about 3 weeks and that felt good. Still wearing compression--Jockey Tame That Tummy panties, as I'm still swelling. Overall, I can't complain.
Meded and LaStar: My first inclination was to take off both breasts just to not worry about things again. Doing chemo before surgery gave me the luxury of time to get opinions and do research. It is such a personal decision, no one can tell you what to do. For me, the PS's telling me that I didn't have enough tummy to do both and a genetic test that was negative for the BC mutations pushed me toward only doing one. If I had the mutation, it would have been easier for me to go with both. I just hope I don't now worry about the "good" breast once I'm through this. This surgery is not for the faint of heart, but everyone has a different prognosis. One doctor told me that it is mostly about managing risk. For me, I feel that my risk of getting cancer on my "good" side is lower than the risk of pain and SEs of taking it off. The doctor also told me that if in the future the anxiety is too much, insurance will cover a prophylactic mx on the other side.
Good luck as you move forward.
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"For me, I feel that my risk of getting cancer on my "good" side is lower than the risk of pain and SEs of taking it off." So true. I had a prophy MX because the MRI indicated some suspicious spots that turned out to be nothing at all. I had a complication on my cancer side that require a reconstruction re-do. Had it been on my good side, I might have felt some regret. I thought of my breasts as a matched set when I began this journey, but I might have done things differently knowing what I know now. However, we can't beat ourselves up for making the best decision that we could with the knowledge we had at the time. As if we could underthink it! And it IS a very personal decision. My dramatic friend told me "You have to do what you can live with in the dark of the night." So true really. Given what you know, what gives you the most peace in the end?
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Time for more adjustments. Been very unhappy with my right breast. I don't like the way it acts when using my arms. My flaps were placed in the split pec muscle. Unfortunately, I lost half my flap (Ruben's Flap) due to complications with healing. Most of the right breast is injected fat from lipo and it does not behave properly. I will be having the pec muscle moved back to the chest wall in both breasts. Some additional fat grafting for symmetry, the lateral fold excised from the right breast. Also, the right breast needs to be lifted. The left hip was lipoed in a prior surgery but now he will excise the excess skin that did not shrink back to give my hips some symmetry. The right hip was used for the Ruben's flap. And finally the abdominal incision will be released, scar tissue removed, lipo the pubic area, and tighten it with the new abdominal incision. I hope this will be the last major repair and maybe get nipples by year end.
I pray everyone has a very successful initial surgery. It is amazing what can be corrected and manipulated if by chance problems arise.
Surgery will be May 27.
I will continue to follow each of your journeys and pray for you. I will update everyone later.
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Hi TallyLassie. Shands is a great hospital! Being a Gator grad I know all about it. It might be far but know you're getting good docs. I've been sleeping on my sides for a couple weeks. Sleeping on my back was killing me, so I was able to start with one side, use a lot of pillows and was slowly able to roll over. I love that you're walking. I need to get off my butt! I did take my son's bike out today in a burst of inspiration! I love the shape of both my breasts. I think it would be harder to try to match what you already have. I do have a little on the right side that they're going to take off in stage 2 - the extra "side boob." I'm really debating the nipple reconstruction. I saw the 3D tattoos that Vinnie in Baltimore does and they were amazing! The nurse told me the nipples will permanently stick up and i'm not a fan of that. Constant erect nipples - headlights - are not my thing! So...still debating. Good luck on your recovery! I'll be watching your posts closely!
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Hey WalleGator: I didn't go to Shands, just North Florida Regional Hospital. My PS Jason Rosenberg is affiliated with (of all things) an orthopedic clinic by there, so it is weird sitting in the waiting room with all these broken bones and aching joints. He works with another general surgeon, also not affiliated with Shands. My Tallahassee oncologist told me about him as he had other patients who were very happy with his work. Tallahassee just got the procedure last year and I wanted to go with the doctor who has done a thousand of them rather than 50. So far, so good, no complications and the surgery was only 4 1/2 hours long. Did you go to Moffitt? I got a second opinion there and wish I lived closer as it is a wonderful place with integrative medicine. My husband has a doctor there for his MDS (kind of a pre cancer blood condition).
I go back for phase 2 on August 5. It will be impossible to really match the real one with the foob. I'd asked him about lifting both but he talked me out of it because that would be pretty invasive on my good side. So, I'll still be a little saggy on both sides. I am also not sure what to do about the nipple (innie or outie?). My original goal, and it is still my goal, was 1) not to wake up with a flat incision across my chest and 2) look like I used to in clothing. [Goes without saying get rid of the cancer!] I will achieve both these goals, so I can't complain.
Feeling more like my old self every day, but it is a long road. Take care, all!
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Fellow DIEP sisters,
Haven't posted in a while because I wanted to wait until I saw my PS again. Saw him yesterday. Lost almost 1/4 of my foob to the necrosis. He said we can make it up with a small implant (no way for me, that is why I went with DIEP), or fat grafting in several months.
Good news for me was I got my drain out. My pain went from 7 to 3 immediately. I was able to sleep partially on my sides last night!
Oh yeah, seems an uncomplicated corneal abrasion heals in 1-2 days, so my eye is fine now, verified by the ophthalmologist.
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