Pity party weight gain...need help.

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  • vettegirl
    vettegirl Member Posts: 235
    edited May 2015

    I just had surgery yesterday so will be a bit before I can get going on my diet again.  Lost 11 pounds in APRIL.  The Nutri bullet is really helping-I do a smoothie shake of things like spinach, kale, berries, apple, etc....for breakfast.  I want to use the gm detox again next week for a few days-that was doing great for me.  Like RG-I have to get ready for vacation, but mine isnt until mid July.  Right now-I have to be kind to myself though and heal from this surgery.  I am wrapped in a binder around my whole middle, and another surgical bra 24/7 with styrofoam over my newly created nipple.  Feel pretty good today though, one day post op.

  • RaiderGirl
    RaiderGirl Member Posts: 419
    edited May 2015

    Beach

    Chemo can cause weight lose too. Maybe she knows that the new cocktail in the works for you might do that.

    I dont mean to sound flippant but if I were facing what you are facing I would try to enjoy my round plump ass and concentrate on the things that give me some joy. I have the limit the amount of misery I am asked to endure....chemo and dieting , no way.

    Pass the chocolates please.

    .

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited May 2015

    RG, some people gain on chemo and some lose. There doesn't appear to be anything scientific about it. I lost about 15 lbs. because I just couldn't tolerate food. Water tasted like spit....chocolate was nasty....wine was BLECH...it was horrible. The only thing I could tolerate for lunch or dinner was Zatarain's spanish rice or salami sliced thin wrapped around an olive and for breakfast a hard boiled egg... But even toward the end, those items were not tolerable. When I finished chemo and regained my taste buds, I ate everything that didn't move. That is the weight gain I have been working off since middle of last year. Gross! I wish I could have comforted myself with food during chemo...just didn't happen and to this day, I say that losing my taste buds was the worst part of chemo for me.

    MsP

  • Beachbum1023
    Beachbum1023 Member Posts: 1,417
    edited May 2015

    MsP and RG, during AC I craved mashed potatoes, pork roast, and sauerkraut. I ate it over and over. And my other favorite was canned mandarin oranges and cottage cheese. But after rads I craved sea salt caramel ice cream with hot fudge...........yum chocolate! Thankfully water was great, not cold just water. Walking the beach today, maybe I'll lose a pound or two.

  • MsPharoah
    MsPharoah Member Posts: 1,034
    edited May 2015

    Beachbum, your post is making me hungry!!!! Walking on the beach sounds delightful...even if one doesn't lose weight. I hope you have a wonderful weekend.

    MsP

  • Professor50
    Professor50 Member Posts: 220
    edited May 2015

    I haven't eaten lunch regularly since 1982. And I am just having the worst time not eating lunch. I blamed it on rads but it hasn't gone away. Pre-BC on the rare occasions when I was hungry for lunch, I used to sneak the occasional cigarette (I know really bad bad bad! I'm not doing it anymore) from a friend and that would kill my appetite. The way things are now, I struggle to not eat lunch then I cannot get anything done after about 2pm because I am obsessed with how hungry I am. SOoooOOOOOoooo HUNGRY!!!

  • kittysister
    kittysister Member Posts: 212
    edited May 2015

    Hi Professor, have you considered a nutritional drink? I tried Ensure. Didn't like it. Then I tried Boost. I get the high protein, chocolate flavored kind. I don't even pour it in a glass- just stick a straw in it. Just full of protein and vitamins. To me, it tastes like a chocolate milkshake when it's good and cold. On the pricey side, but to me, worth it. I drink it sometimes as a snack, instead of a meal replacement.

  • Professor50
    Professor50 Member Posts: 220
    edited May 2015

    kittysister thanks for the tip. I am a weirdo who dislikes chocolate but I think pursuing some options other than "willpower!" is a good idea... :)

  • kittysister
    kittysister Member Posts: 212
    edited May 2015

    They have vanilla and maybe strawberry, too, but I've never tried it. Might check it out.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited May 2015

    Just a note of caution on drinks like Boost and Ensure - there is a boatload of sugar in these 20g in Boost, and 15 in Ensure, in the flavors I just looked at.  First on the list of ingredients are water and sugar, followed by a lot of soy - in the form of soy protein isolates, and some other soy ingredients.  Soy in food form - like tofu or edamame are considered OK by some, but there is pretty universal advice that soy protein isolates should be avoided by ER+ breast cancer survivors. 

  • kittysister
    kittysister Member Posts: 212
    edited May 2015

    Well, you got me curious, Special K, so I had to go and check my label. Water and sugar are the first two ingredients. Soy is the 7th. But they are high in protein, minerals and vitamins. Will I continue to drink them, probably, in moderation, but that's just me. It isn't like I drink one every day. And I've eliminated quite a bit of sugar from my diet like a lot of candy and ice cream, but obviously, not all. Thanks for the info.

  • RaiderGirl
    RaiderGirl Member Posts: 419
    edited May 2015

    Hi Special

    Soy products. I don't particularly like them but there were a few breads and cereals I liked. I had heard about soy and ER+ BC.

    I asked my MO and the PA They both said that soy products are perfectly safe for ER+ women.

    From what he/she explained. Soy mimics some of the benefits of estrogen but its not estrogen and does not effect ER+ cancers. He said if you ate a ton of soy products and then had hormone profile blood test, the estrogen levels would not change at all.

    Honest to God, I wish there was some consistency. We are bumping into sharp objects in the dark and no one turns the friggin lights on.

    So, I eat some soy occasionally if the mood strikes me.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited May 2015

    Here is some info specifically regarding soy protein isolates - for me personally, I have done too much to combat cancer, and a recurrence, to take any risk regarding food.  We all have to make individual decisions about this.

    http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/5/10/785.short

  • kittysister
    kittysister Member Posts: 212
    edited May 2015

    Interesting about what your MO and PA said, RG. The thing is, if we eat any processed foods at all, we are going to get some soy. It's in so many things. I can't eat fresh, all natural, organic, no restaurants, etc. all the time.

    Not to get technical, Special K, but the link on that particular study (there are so many and differing opinions) was about pre-menopause women, if I read correctly. I know that might apply to you. I'm in a different place than you, since I am over 60.

    I don't want a recurrence, either. Who does? But I really don't see any harm on an occasional Boost to get some extra vitamins, minerals and protein. And I've even been known to eat a candy bar or piece of cake. Junk food, but this late in the game, I'm not going to worry about it, especially since I don't overdo it. My doctors (all of them, including my primary doctor) have all said the same thing. They don't know what causes breast cancer.



  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited May 2015


    Still eating jelly beans ... still chubby.  What is wrong with me?  I need to show a little restraint.

    RG ... your hubby is hysterical.  Every time I pop a jelly bean, my hubby shouts out "10 calories!" 

    hugs

    Bren

  • RaiderGirl
    RaiderGirl Member Posts: 419
    edited May 2015

    Kittysitter, Special K and Bren, Ms Pharoah

    There is some thought out there that soy can effect how tamox and AI work.

    Here is my own personal theory .

    An occasional bowl of soy cereal isn't going to do anything either negative or positive to anyone.It may be different if a person eats regularly of soy products or takes soy supplements.

    This opinion of mine is based on the butt pucker meter. When you hear/read something that makes your butt pucker, that's your instincts telling you to pay attention.

    My butt-hole is completely relaxed around soy products so I don't worry.


  • kittysister
    kittysister Member Posts: 212
    edited May 2015

    Butt pucker meter - LOL - you're a riot! Good info. there too, though.

    Bren, buy another bag of jelly beans, did ya? Hee hee!


  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited May 2015

    Please don't mistake my attempt to make people here aware of potential issues with soy as any kind of instruction to eat it, or not eat it.  I only wanted to put the information out there - people can do with it what they wish, and everyone should eat what they are comfortable with.  I always try to think of how many people may read this down the line, and so post information with that in mind.

    kittysister - I am also postmenopausal - had a total hyst/ooph almost 15 years ago, at 45.

  • kittysister
    kittysister Member Posts: 212
    edited May 2015

    Thank you for that, SpecialK. And I do agree, best to hear all the views. We're all in this together.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited May 2015


    Kittysister ... you made laugh right out loud.  Enjoying my pain are ya?  Ha!  I need some of that willpower going around.

    hugs

    Bren

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited May 2015

    Kayb ... Thanks for posting that article. The protein bars I like have 20 g's of soy protein. Is this the good kind or the bad kind of soy? I was 100% ER+.

  • kittysister
    kittysister Member Posts: 212
    edited May 2015

    Bren- I hope you know I was just funning! I dearly love jelly beans, too!

    kayb- I'm all confused about soy now. From things I have read here and there, it's good for you, it's bad for you. A long time ago, I ate one of those Zone energy bars. I think I got it at Walmart. I personally didn't like it, but it had a lot of soy. Thanks for the tip about Target's nutritional drinks. A long time ago, I used to use Carnation Instant Breakfast mix in milk. I hate to think of what all might have been bad for cancer in it.

  • kittysister
    kittysister Member Posts: 212
    edited May 2015

    Thanks Kay, very informative! Oh yes, I used to love the French Vanilla instant breakfast. I was curious about it, so did a google search. It has soy lecithin, whatever that is.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited May 2015

    Kittysister ... I know you were just kiddin' around with me! You made me smile. Amazingly I am down another pound. Seven more to go. Since it doesn't look like I'm going to give up the beans ... I'm just going to have to accept that my progess will be slow. Wish I could stick to a diet like Vettegirl.

    Big hugs

    Bren

  • kittysister
    kittysister Member Posts: 212
    edited May 2015

    That's great, Bren! Yes, I think it takes will power, which I don't seem to have! Breast cancer seems to be poo-pooing everything I like to eat or drink too. I guess if I followed all of the rules, I might lose some weight. Ha!

  • RaiderGirl
    RaiderGirl Member Posts: 419
    edited May 2015

    SpecialK,

    You had a oop-hysto 15 years ago at 45. You're 60 now?. Whose picture is that? No fair stealing another persons pic and passing it off as yourself.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited May 2015

    RG - yes I am 59 this year - hard for me to believe I will be 60 next year, and that is really me, lol! Thank you for that sweet compliment!

  • kittysister
    kittysister Member Posts: 212
    edited May 2015

    SpecialK, I have to say, by looking at your photo, possible late 40's. Hard to believe you will be 59 this year, 60 the next. I'm 66 right now and would say look every year of my age! Just a quick question, are you in the medical profession?

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited May 2015

    kittysister - thank you, that is so nice of you to say!  People have guessed me at a younger age all my life, so some of it is a lucky genetic lottery, but I try to take good care of myself also.  I am also willing to bet that you don't look your age either - we are always harder on ourselves and see things in the mirror others don't notice!  I was worried that chemo and hormonal therapy would age me, I was not a cute bald person and had a bunch of surgery before chemo so I was a HOT MESS!! I feel like there was a gradual return to what I looked like previously - with a few extra wrinkles, but it took a while.  I do have medical background, most recently in the same hospital I had my BMX in - in Transfusion Services.  I am no longer working, too much surgery and physical therapy made it unfair to my co-workers to be gone so much, so I resigned.  I was also pretty strung out from treatment and didn't want to compromise patient care - too scary to make a mistake and hurt someone.  Much of my knowledge regarding cancer, health and diet is a combo of a number of things.  I lost both my dad and brother, my only sibling, to stage IV cancer of different kinds.  After my dad passed I took care of my mom who had a degenerative neuromuscular disease (she had been ill for 25 years), as well as a seizure disorder, that finally left her sharp as a tack mentally, but unable to ambulate for the last two years of her life.  My in-laws are doctors and nurses - my DH's immediate fam has two docs and three nurses (and a veterinarian for good measure!).  I have also done a lot of reading and study on my own.  You are fairly recently diagnosed but you may start to find yourself looking for ways to maximize your health, to minimize your risk for recurrence and other health issues.  This is what happened to me - I wanted to take control of the things I could because I felt  there were so many things that I couldn't control.  I was willing to release regrets about yesterday and control over tomorrow - but to effectively do that I needed to change my diet, my exercise, my mindset, and my approach to relaxation.  Doing what I could on my own has made it easier for me to face the uncertainty about the future that breast cancer brings.

  • RaiderGirl
    RaiderGirl Member Posts: 419
    edited May 2015

    Ok ladies,

    Say something, anything to either get me moving or get me accepting.

    I weighed this am. This is the most I have EVER weighed in my entire life. The second number on the scale is now in another decade. .

    I know I am not dieting but for gods sake, I am not eating to gain either.

    I leave for Europe on the 15th for both fun and business. People I haven't seen in two years are going to fall over when they see me. And even more hateful is that they are always so much thinner than Americans . Sh*t on a cracker. I hate this.


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