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& yesterday I received the essential oils I'd sent for that gary reccommended for out trouble: camomile, I got blue camomile, & thyme. I'll begin using them after the 2 weeks more on the artemesia absenthia. the visual & dream effects have begun to kick in again. it's very drying though. the organic unsweetened cocoa powder, has helped with this. I'll report back when I 've used the thyme & camomile for while. good I have a third alternative. I used frankensence for 6 months or so. not the 2 months on one off as gary recommends for the artemesia. for everythin? I remember when I began listening to his broadcasts in 1985 he said not to use anything, foods, more than once every 3 days or you'll become addicted. meaning it stops having the best effects??
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this is one of my always mentions. I disagree strongly, not that the "fixed" sentient beings, humans as well, live longer, but at what price. & do we spay & neuter the racoons? the bear? the opossums?
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yes terrible. those or any shelters I'd never subsedize. I now keep no companion animals because of the problems, I have no children: there are too many, & I'd not vaccinate them or the other beasts. or rabies vaccine, makes the beasts salvalate excessivly.
I think often of my favorite cat: abra's grandaughter, & my favorite pup, the favorite daughter of our favorite bitch. I use the puppy's name for my e-mail. she was born with I guess a genetic problem: couldn't tollerate solid food & was tending towards death from by new game">weight loss
. I turned it around(for awhile), probably would have been a good diet for onyx as well: organic:brown rice, oats, fenugreek seeds ( a very few), milled in a "spice" grinder used just for food & spices, evoo, a bit of salmon shredded, the grains heated in spring water until athickened a bit. then to cool some whole milk plain organic yogurt. I've probably forgotten some. it was '01. this batch of pups were born just before 9/11
9/11. I fed her 2 bowls of this a day.
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the salmon was cooked. also added in the porrege gary null's green & grains. about a teaspoon full or less. this was not digested. the puppy's stools were no longer diahrrehea, were firm & healthy & somewhat green I'd think from the green & grains
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"Perhaps we aren't the right group of people for you to be with. I could never associate with someone like you, not after what I and my fellow volunteers have seen."
Wow. Just wow. Talk about arbitrarily disinviting someone to leave a thread. Seriously, what other litmus tests (besides anti neuter and anti spaying) do you have to remove others from commenting?
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Sorry but when you've seen animals tortured and know that so much could be avoided by keeping pets inside and not allowing breeding which leads to all these issues...if you've seen what I have and then hear someone who supports the very thing I fight against in my volunteer effort it'd be hard for you to stomach too.
I'm not alone in my feelings. The people I work with would have powerful reactions too.
If you came here ONLY to bash me then don't bother. I make no apologies for how I feel about animals. Just block me if you don't like it but don't come in here just to cause trouble.
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Cee, Abigail has been posting in the Alternative thread for several years now, never with the intention to 'cause trouble' with her advice that I recall. Some feel it is less cruel to put a pet down, some do not. Oh in case you are looking at my signature I first started reading the Natural Girls thread back in 2009, when the split occurred holistic was put in with complementary, but I read here too, alternative can be understood in so many different ways, such as looking for alternatives TO treatment rather than alternatives for treatments, which explains why I do not post often, but do like to hear what Abigail has to say. Kathy
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sorry that small minded people had the balls to be critical & spread hate.
wishing you the best . .
M
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I never, ever thought I'd have to defend the idea to spay/neuter in this day and age. I also never thought anyone would think it was wrong for me to *not* allow my pet to suffocate in front of me.
I just had to say goodbye to one of my babies and people feel the need to attack me at such a fragile time, not thinking that I *am* fragile and anxious, and still grieving. Dltnhm has never said a kind word to me and feels the need to come into MY topic and bash me. I have been crying all week for my cat.
Then, as I do volunteer, it is "kitten season" once again, where we are inundated with babies because people refuse to fix their animals. Most of these darling creatures will be killed. It absolutely breaks my heart because the problem is so simple to stop.
We get kittens and cats that are used to train fighting dogs. I got a litter last year where someone had meticulously cut off their paws, tails and ears with shears....and some of you wonder why I react strongly hearing someone say spay/neuter is wrong. As I said, if you have seen what I have seen, you would feel differently.
Add to that, my own medical issues:
I was approved to receive care at UCLA, but my ins screwed up and sent me for genetic counseling, NOT a 2nd opinion with an oncologist. I waited weeks for this approval and now I've had to go back to my GP and begin the process all over again. Meanwhile, the cancer grows...
Then the City of Hope got back to me regarding my grievance letter where I complained that after my experience with Arimidex that I asked for a new AI and my onc said "they are all the same," which no one on the Ax thread I am on agrees with as many have moved from AI to AI with vastly different SE's.
My response letter from CoH reads in part, and I quote:
"Other aromatase inhibitors would have caused the same side effects you experienced with the Arimidex."
While my UK friend was visiting I had severe pain under my left breast. I spent the whole week worrying something had spread over there. I realized after our vacation that I'd lifted a heavy bucket of water and strained a pectoral muscle. Every new pain distresses me but I have no PET scan to tell me anything because the one I was going to get was through CoH and was canceled so the GP is requesting one herself so I don't have to keep waiting. But it'll take at least a month for approval for the PET and then another few weeks to get the appt.
I've had weeks and weeks and weeks of waiting and my stress is in the stratosphere so you must be patient with me if I seem irritable. It's absolutely wrong for some to come in here and bash me, and for one to come in here *just* to do so.
I've been crying for weeks. The vacation was good but my illness is always in the background and I have no medical care for it. I am anxious and afraid of what is happening inside of me. And I am only human. Shame on those who came here to cause me trouble. Remember karma - it comes back to you.
For the rest of you, thank you dearly for your kindness and support. I haven't been here much to talk because of all the things I've written about. I spend most of my time resting. My fear eats through my energy.
Take care, be well. I will be back when I can, hopefully with some better news.
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not meant to be an attack, meant to give an alternate opinion. charlotte gerson said salt was the causative element in cancer, perhaps, perhaps not. I did some years with none with no visible result, I do know that a lot of salt causes a lot of weeping. one kitten I gave away came back with his whiskers cut off. not nearly as bad as what you mention, but not a good thing either.thebible hints these beasts are ours to do with as we please. can of course but they are as sentient as we are. I think these days of the human animals now in the bardos from their deaths in nepal
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Cee, I think most sane people believe that spaying/neutering is a very good thing. All our animals are spayed/neutered and we have an informal group of volunteers in our neighborhood who try to get as many of the strays spayed and neutered as well. Of course, you do not find many female stray dogs, because most of them die in childbirth or from breast cancer (very common in dogs). I am sorry for your loss.
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One does not have to harbor spay or neuter animals to have compassion for them and respect for all of nature. Man domesticated animals, I believe in some ways to their disservice. We can't all think alike. Here on bco, we have to make room for differing opinions. It is wrong to attack someones character, but I don't see that abigal has done that here, nor has she said that she believes in being cruel to animals. Fragility is something that we are all very familiar with and taking the stance of a victim does not serve anyone in our disagreements with each other, nor our agreements with ourselves. Peace.
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At our rescue there is no room for alternate opinions regarding spay/neuter and in fact we fix the animals before they can be adopted. Every shelter around here has the same rules: no animal is adoptable until they are fixed.
I wasn't frikken attacking Abigail! This is how it is where I live. I'm in the city.
So either I'm attacking her character or playing the victim whatever that means.
It's clear you care less about what I have to say and more like reprimanding me for each little thing yet I see this happen to no one else.
Tbh I can't understand what Abigail writes most of the time. Not an attack just the truth so if I'm not understanding her, sorry.
I was at rescue this morning and read these posts and everyone else is mystified and says the same as me, to fix our babies and stop the problem. Yes we trap and release too after spay/neuter for the feral ones.
We feel we're doing good works but outdated, ignorant attitudes continue to perpetuate the problem. I care so much for our cats and dogs. I want to help them and wish the whole world would too. It's my passion in life.
Cats can die of bc too btw. My mom had two sister cats who died of it.
There is honestly no need for me to be here. I'm having so much stress over no medical care. I come here for peace, not to be picked on. As I've said before, we all have cancer. We should all be hugging each other.
I have never said anything to anyone that would make them cry. I've never listened to someone express fear over their very life and then told them to stop playing the victim.
I'm sobbing as I write this because this isn't what I expected today. I'm trying to have better days then what I've had and I don't need this kind of tx tossed out casually from behind the anonymity of a keyboard.
You have made a member cry...when you should know better as we're all going through fear and anxiety. But I guess I'm just 'playing the victim,' which is like saying what's happening and how I feel about it, isn't real.
I need peace and supportive words and it's clear I can't find it here.
I did genuinely enjoy knowing certain of you which is why I stayed. I didn't want to punish those who were so kind and understanding but I have too much stress now wondering what tomorrow will bring in terms of medical care and my health in general.
My stress levels are very high and until or if I get medical care I live each day in fear. Try to imagine how YOU would feel in my place - no onc and no PET scans to see what's happening inside me. Then be told you're playing the victim because you expressed some fear and anxiety.
I am proud to say that I've never told a sister in bc that she is just playing a victim. I will never invalidate another's emotions with such a comment. We all suffer differently and I thought this was the place where we could let down our guard and dare to cry and say so with no worry of being told we are wrong in what we feel.
I wasn't playing the victim; I was being honest because I thought this was a support group.
How long would you last at a live group telling a sobbing woman she's just acting the victim? It's not ok there and shouldn't be allowed here either.
I hope the next time one of you cries and opens your heart you get a hug, even a virtual one.
One person offering me a hug would have made feel better. Not one person here thought to do that.
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Cee, Momine has offered her support and if I look back so have others. I will extend a virtual hug to you and I really do hope that it helps. I am sure that you have seen this sort of behavior before in life. I am sorry that you are dealing with this but please don't expect some people to change, they won't. Please take some of these comments with a grain of salt and just walk away with your head held high. To be labor the topic won't help. In addition, you may find it more useful to pm certain members when you want/need emotional support.I truly hope that you are able to receive help soon for the cancer.
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Cee, just block those members whose posts offend you (and, generally speaking, offend the rest of us as well). You go to the member list in that blue box on the upper left, click on the member's name, and select the block option. No more problem.
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BVT, That blocks them from posting on any threads that she has/will create? (And from pm-ing her also, I presume?)
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I hope I get help soon as well, Musiclover. And I wasn't speaking of Momine or others. But I don't understand why even *some* feel the need to be that way. We're all the same here.
Like my cat, I have a met in my trachea. It aches and I'm going crazy wondering if I'll slowly suffocate like he did.
I'm coughing more and GP says it *might* be the met in my bronchus...or it may just be the cough I've had forever.
I'm feeling dizzy...but with vision in one eye dizziness is a part of life. Is it just that or does it seem worse bc I'm focused on it getting to my brain?
My gp told me what might happen if I get brain mets and it wasn't a nice story.
Yes I'm really fragile right now. I'm scared most of the time and I cry. Sorry for those who feel I'm playing the victim. Walk a mile in my shoes and have someone say that to you and see how you feel.
Hubby is pissed I'm upset when kindness doesn't cost anything.
Thank you for the hug. I'm so scared I never want to let go.
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I think blocking only keeps me from seeing their posts but not anyone else which is why I don't bc then I see ppl talking to what seems to me to be no one.
NOT only that, I can't block someone in life so I feel I shouldn't do it here. It just upset me a lot to be told I'm playing a victim when how I feel is raw and real.
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I don't have any idea of your diet, but as well as weeping a lot of salt can cause dizziness. in I guess '09 I began getting dizzy & it progressed to full blown meniers type syndrome complete with drop attacks. seemed contranindicated that salt was the cause, but I discontinued any salt &that solved the problem.. thank heavens, that was very very uncomfortable. now the artemesia which I'm using for the first time every day, seems to be causing dizziness. I have 2 more weeks to use it before I change but I will tapper off if I get any rotational vertigo
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Cee, this is my first post here on the Alternative forum, but I read sometimes. Like most of us, I'm interested in anything that might help. I just wanted to tell you how sorry I am about your loss. You can probably tell from my "handle" that I'm a big fan of cats, even though I only have one right now. They are family to us. I love dogs too, all animals, really.
In my area, it's the law that pets have to be spayed or neutered before adoption, either from the animal shelter or humane society. And I think a lot of us agree on that. Back when I lived in apartments, the managements would have the shelter set traps and have them caged and taken away, cats and kittens. They never had a chance at life. Most would end up in the gas chamber at the animal shelter, since they were feral cats. They changed that to an injection since then, which is better, but they have so many new ones coming in every day, it's heartbreaking.
I think we all need a hug.
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Hi Cee,
I rarely post in this forum ... I don't know much about alternative treatment. But I have been following your story since you first posted about the cannabis oil. I was so hoping it would be successful for you.
I'm jumping in here today to tell you about my wonderful Maggie, a border collie who was 14 years-old. I had to put her to sleep two weeks ago. I loved her dearly with all my heart. It was gut wrenching to have to let her go, but had I not, she also would have suffocated to death and been in terrific pain. The day we had to let her go, we took her to the vet as she was coughing up blood. I had known for some time that her breathing was labored but the previous time we had taken her in the 12 year-old vet (at least she seemed like a little kid to me) said my Maggie was fine. This last time when we took her in, they took some xrays of her lungs and heart. There was almost nothing left of her lungs. I have such guilt now that I caused her needless pain by not letting her go sooner. I feel your heartache for your beloved Onyx.
Sending big hugs ... wish there was some way I could help ... and hoping you can get your medical treatment issues straightened out as soon as possible. Speaking of hugs ... I read an article the other day that said a 20-second hug releases all these endorphins and helps us with anxiety and depression. So ... I'm holding on for at least 20 seconds!
Bren
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Cee maybe that was a poor choice of words on my part. I just sometimes wish that when we all disagree with one another we wouldn't take such offense, as it doesn't help matters. You may not feel like you are getting much support here but you have gotten a lot more than other alt gals, especially abigal, and everyone's situation here calls for grace and support. You already know I support you, as I have done that openly here and elsewhere. You don't have to block me, I'll just remember not to add my two cents in the future.Wishing you all good, as always.
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Because there are posts here and there and people replying to a poster but skipping around ... I am condensing this. This is my 2nd post on this topic.
Last night I read this:
Cee - (directed at another poster) "Perhaps we aren't the right group of people for you to be with. I could never associate with someone like you, not after what I and my fellow volunteers have seen."
My response (1st post on this topic)(around 9:30/10:00 pm CST) - "Wow. Just wow. Talk about arbitrarily disinviting someone to leave a thread. Seriously, what other litmus tests (besides anti neuter and anti spaying) do you have to remove others from commenting?"
(Until now, I have not written another word on this thread ... not another word about any of this. Please keep this in mind.)
Cee (which I see by the timestamp came about 2 hours after I posted - close to 11:30 pm/12:00 am CST) This is really the only portion that is applicable to my post:
"If you came here ONLY to bash me then don't bother. I make no apologies for how I feel about animals. Just block me if you don't like it but don't come in here just to cause trouble."
Cee (posted this around 2:40 am) Again, I am posting the portion which is directly aimed at my initial post:
"I just had to say goodbye to one of my babies and people feel the need to attack me at such a fragile time, not thinking that I *am* fragile and anxious, and still grieving. Dltnhm has never said a kind word to me and feels the need to come into MY topic and bash me. I have been crying all week for my cat."
And so I return to my initial post where I addressed what I specifically quoted - one member of BCO (you) "disinviting someone to leave a thread" based solely on what appeared to me to be a difference of opinion on spaying and neutering animals. I stand by my post.
I never shared how I feel about neutering or spaying animals. To me - that point was and is moot. The issue was/is your (Cee) dismissing another member of BCO due to a difference of opinion. This forum exists for a number of reasons but I have never seen written in the rules that one's disagreement or difference of opinion on a non-breast topic means one is being non-supportive of another poster and therefore should not be shared. For that matter differences of opinions on breast cancer topics are also allowed and by no means imply that the posters are non-supportive.
So,
1) I did not write my post to 'bash' you. I found it bothersome that you would write such a comment to another BCO participant - telling her that 'Perhaps we aren't the right group of people for you to be with. I could never associate with someone like you..."
And, what I am seeing is that having a differing opinion to yours or disagreeing with you, means to you that the person is "attacking", "bashing" you and "causing trouble".
On the one hand, you don't want to be marginalized or put off on BCO for having a different opinion or following a different path in life (and I absolutely agree with you that no one should have this done to him/her). But in this instance, at least, you were the one marginalizing and putting off another BCO member specifically because of her opinions and choices. I am hoping that you might be able to see the disconnect.
2) I want to address your comment that I have "never said a kind word" to you. Although I know that we've participated on some of the same threads, I can say with 100% certainty that I have never said an unkind word to you. Please, please, find posts, give a link or quote me. I welcome that. And I mean that in all sincerity. Because I truly do not believe that you will find one.
In the event that you are not suggesting that I said unkind words to you (although that seems to be the implication of your statement),
but rather, you are saying I "haven't said a kind word to" you (which really that is something entirely different), I can only respond that there are thousands of participants to which this is probably true for me. It doesn't mean my words are 'unkind', it just means they're words - a comment on a particular side-effect, a treatment, how to find oncologists, surgeons, and the like. One can be totally in agreement with someone and communicate that in very neutral tone.
We are all here because Breast Cancer has touched our lives with the possibility of something being breast cancer, actually being diagnosed with breast cancer, or because a loved one is dealing with breast cancer. That is the unifying factor that brings each and everyone to BCO (except for the spammers and opportunists). On other matters in the grand scheme of life, we should all be able to offer an opinion without being asked to leave.
Diana
edited to add a link to the brief contact we had when you started this topic:
https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/121/topic...
So I found a post from me to you and your response .... and I would think this would qualify as a 'kind word' and a cordial exchange between us.
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Diana, as I have stated, I volunteer with animals. I love all animals even though I only work with cats right now. I'll save squirrels, skunks - anything that lives and breathes with four legs and fur. I feed the raccoons around here though many consider them "vermin." They take food right from me, let me film them - they are not pests, but highly intelligent creatures. I see such IGNORANCE where it pertains to animals, and that ignorance is the reason so much animal suffering goes on. People *can* learn but don't care to.
Bren and Kitty would do fabulously at our rescue center, for they have an enlightened view of our four-legged friends. They see them as family, and feel guilt when they perceive they've done (or not done something that would benefit their animal), because he or she is family. I realize many people feel that way, even those here who haven't said anything. I'm just mentioning them because I can tell we would get along.
I meant what I said to Abigail, and I stand by it. I do not have any friends who feel watching a pet suffocate is somehow right (as she suggested I do with my cat). I have none who mention animals going off on "reproductive ventures" or whatever she said, and said like it was nothing. No wonder she's never had a pet for more than 6 years....which is statistically how long outdoor animals live.
No, I am not the right person and my thread is likely not the right place for her.
I will brook no arguments on animal welfare issues. There is a right way and a wrong way and I can't tolerate people who are told the better way and yet stick to outdated and ignorant opinions.
My grandfather who died at 89 and who had full-on dementia even knew the right way to care for domestic pets...and he was raised on a farm!
I'm sorry you don't like my hard stance on animal rights but you won't ever get me to change how I feel about people who allow their animals to breed at whim leaving volunteers like me to pick up the pieces. Drop the subject. This is one of my main passions and everyone I work with feels the same, and just as vehemently, as I do. Just drop it because I will *never* change my stance so don't waste your breath.
And, since you want to talk about Abigail let me be clear: I can barely understand what she writes. She makes me feel like I have dyslexia and I don't. I am a writer by trade and I try and try to divine what she writes about and heck if I know. AND, in my previous thread Abigail discussed ILLICIT DRUG USE (ie: heroin) and even the mods were in agreement and removed the posts. I felt Abigail tried to reduce the seriousness of a thread about cannabis use for curative reasons by injecting tales of illegal drug use. If she wants to talk about the good old days of shooting up she can do it somewhere else other than a BC forum. I thought her interjecting that into my old topic was insulting and I have not forgotten the incident.
Now she's here posting and I have no idea about what - salt...someone called Gary...artemesia????? I make no apologies for being confused and I am certain I am not the only one. Due to the confusion her posts cause me I find them annoying and disruptive. Some of you seem to understand her, well, I don't, and I don't have the patience to try and decode what she's saying. I'd feel differently if I could understand her posts but they are Greek to me. They take many directions at once. I am...lost.
"In the event that you are not suggesting that I said unkind words to you (although that seems to be the implication of your statement),"
Diana, I just meant that I've never heard a peep out of you until you came in here to rush to Abigail's defense.
Kitty, I currently live in an apartment complex and in this one and all the others it is just as you've said. It breaks my heart! And the wild kitty colonies began when people tossed away their cats. It could have all been avoided by making a commitment to keep a pet, for better or worse, and fixing said pet.
Whenever we adopt a kitten I look down at it and know that some 15 yrs in the future it'll die and break my heart, but, for all the love I'll receive in that time, it's worth it. We make a commitment there and then, the same as we would do for a child - to keep the pet forever no matter what problems, medical or otherwise it may have, and to give it the best vet care and all the love we have.
Bren, you and I lost our babies around the same time. I am so very sorry for your loss. But your Maggie is over Rainbow Bridge now, likely givin my cats a run for their money LOL!
I have often joked that when I die and see all my loved ones in the tunnel, it'll be animals. I will have a herd waiting for me! We've had tarantulas, corn snakes, ball pythons and a bearded dragon who will be trotting along with all the dogs and cats LOL!
And I too have read about the healing power of a hug. I send a big long hug to everyone, even the ones I complained about ((()))
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Cee, just as an FYI, Abigail has yet to see any kind of medical professional about her breast condition. We have urged her to seek medical care, and she is in the (difficult) process of signing up for Medicare. In the meantime, nobody actually knows if the condition is, indeed, cancer. We all, I think, hope that it is something benign.
Gary is Gary Null, an alternative health radio personality. He also sells a line of supplements (or used to anyway).
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I'm glad you can figure it out. I admit I have little patience for people who come to forums (a place of writing) and yet cannot write. Of course she enjoyed writing about her drug use and turning my topic into a circus with that. I got PM's off members asking if it was a serious topic or not. I wish Abigal the best but I do not like her disruptions to my posts, especially with stuff like that.
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regardng gary null, the trouble was my laptop. he's broadcasting as always on progressive radio network listen live, noon m-f edst. 1 hr, first part health & nutrition, 2nd half politics usually related to health & medical issues. for the recent poster about what herbs are good to use for our trouble he has read the peer reviewed journals & reports on them regularly
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Cee, I think you are being masochistic if you don't block people who obviously upset you!
Now, this is totally off topic and if it offends anybody I will remove it. But I've been feeling this way for a long time, especially since I got cancer, and I thought about it again when I saw the post about your cat:
People are so concerned about their pets that they will ensure they are put out of their suffering and are "put to sleep" peacefully. Yet people on a whole are horrified if our HUMAN loved ones want the same treatment, and prefer to see them suffer horribly than allow them to choose a peaceful death on their own terms. Any thoughts ?
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I never really thought about it this way. Always have taken exceptional care of beloved pets.
What stumps me is when one seeks medical attention for a beloved pet and not for themselves.
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suicide is always an option, but I'd say don't put the karma on someone else. & there are no good ways, unless you're a tobacco addict & with a lifelong love of this herb, water hemlock, especially the british kind which is easier on your stomach than the american kind is an option. I think if you checkout early you miss things you probably need to know
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