401k....leave it be or have some fun with it now?

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I'm wondering if I shouldn't tap my 401k to take a trip or two with my husband that I've always wanted to do. Or what about get my kitchen done...hmmmm. Well nothing crazy like around the world or Europe or a high end remodel....just head south for a week in a nice condo next winter while we hire a family friend/carpenter to do it for 10 - 15k?  I wouldn't be gutting it or anything too severe. I just wonder what are my REAL odds at being here to enjoy it when I'm 60+ (I'm only 41). Part of me wants to forget BC ever happened. Another part says there is no way this thing doesn't come back eventually...

My oncologist CLAIMS it should be less than 20% chance. I have my health insurance, thank goodness got my life insurance extended and renewed and we are paying our bills but I'm in between jobs and looking to cut back hours when I go back anyhow to spend more time with our young son. We have an emergency fund that somehow survived my diagnosis, treatments and surgery. I don't want to touch it since it's "ours" for appliances, what if he lost his job, etc. My poor wonderful father dropped dead of a heart attack at only 65 last year and he'd been told by his doctor just a month before he was healthy as a horse! I'm not having a ton of faith in anyone's reassurance that anyone will be here for very long.(!)

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  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited February 2013

    I am 63 and counting the months till I can retire and get govt health ins....course that assumes the cats in DC do not take it from me....I have savings and the fancy financial planners want me to plan on living till I am 100!  are they nuts?  I too want to party a bit.  Like that Alaska cruise or ???

    tough choice, you are younger so your risk is dif than mine.  I AM going to retire at 65 whether I have enough saved or not!

  • ibcmets
    ibcmets Member Posts: 4,286
    edited February 2013

    So much depends on what if's?  I'm stage IV from the start and did access one of my accelerated death benefits.  It surely helped me eliminate financial stress.  I did hear that you may access 401K's without penalties if you have cancer; not sure if it depends on what stage you are. 

    I would go for it as long as you don't take it all.

    Terri

  • NancyD
    NancyD Member Posts: 3,562
    edited February 2013

    Check with an accountant to see exactly how much it will cost you in penalties and taxes (it will be counted as income). You may decide to wait a few years until you're 59-1/2 before you take it out.



    But also look into a loan from your 401K. I think the cost is lower.

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited February 2013

    It costs you at least about 30%. All the taxes + a 10% penalty. Makes it more expensive than a high interest credit card.



    Here is info on hardship withdrawal:



    The following items are considered by the IRS as acceptable reasons for a hardship withdrawal:



    Unreimbursed medical expenses for you, your spouse, or dependents.

    Purchase of an employee's principal residence.

    Payment of college tuition and related educational costs such as room and board for the next 12 months for you, your spouse, dependents, or children who are no longer dependents.

    Payments necessary to prevent eviction of you from your home, or foreclosure on the mortgage of your principal residence.

    For funeral expenses.

    Certain expenses for the repair of damage to the employee's principal residence.*

    Hardship withdrawals are subject to income tax and, if you are not at least 59½ years of age, the 10% withdrawal penalty. You do not have to pay the withdrawal amount back.



    A hardship distribution may not exceed the amount of the need. However, the amount required to satisfy the financial need may include amounts necessary to pay any taxes or penalties that may result from the distribution.



  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited February 2013

    What Melissa said. IMHO, leave 401K money alone. Those penalties are in place for a reason. If God forbid you ever become Stage IV, that's a different ball game. At your age and stage II you have every reason to wait.

  • Claire_in_Seattle
    Claire_in_Seattle Member Posts: 4,570
    edited February 2013

    Leave your 401k plan in place.

    Really, you should expect to be CURED.  And you don't want to look back at having squandered your retirement savings during a rough patch in your life.

    I had to make the same decision when I was diagnosed, and with a 9 in 10 chance of being cured, my thoughts were "how do I finance my life until 90 or so".  I worked during chemo, as self-employed.

    You also want to look at what your 401k will be worth in 25 years time.  Suspect at least 2.5x what it is worth now.

    Leave it where it is.  Good luck.

    (I do recommend some CHEAP getaways, however.  Plus little things that fit in your budget.)

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    This is a really BAD idea. Even if something happened to YOU, your husband needs to retire. I know this is an old topic but this kind of bad financial move drives me crazy.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited February 2015

    trvlr.

    This is a dormant thread. No one has posted for two years, though I agree with your opinion

  • cjanet
    cjanet Member Posts: 328
    edited April 2015

    I am making my 2 kids my beneficiaries for my 401K

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited April 2015

    Anyone naming minors as beneficiaries should consult with an estate planning attorney since a custodian is required to administer the funds

  • labelle
    labelle Member Posts: 721
    edited April 2015

    Cashing in all or some of a 401K before retirement can be costly in terms of penalties and taxes. In my case, I've explored borrowing against mine due to medical bills. As someone else wrote, you can borrow against it (sort of like borrowing from yourself) and avoid these kinds of penalties. Something to look at if you really are in a bind, but I don't think they will let you borrow against it without compelling reasons (medical bills/job loss etc.)

  • BrooksideVT
    BrooksideVT Member Posts: 2,211
    edited April 2015

    The nice thing about a 401(k) is that it is right there, accumulating funds from both you and your employer, with your contribution subtracted from your taxable income, with dividends, capital gains, and both your and your employer's contributions tax-deferred until you withdraw funds. A few caveats arise when it becomes time to withdraw funds. Here are a couple of thoughts I've been known to mention to my clients:

    If you are married and name someone other than your spouse as primary beneficiary, he or she will need to sign agreement to being, so to speak, disinherited. If minor children as beneficiaries, there should be a place on the form to name a custodian. A custodian has far stricter oversight requirements than a guardian, but the moneys will be preserved until the children reach the age of majority in your state. On that exact date, the money becomes their own to do with as they wish.

    If you borrow against your 401(k), then leave your employment, the loan becomes payable within a few months. Failing repayment, the amount is treated as income. Sometimes it can be helpful to delay retirement for a couple of weeks or months to place this taxable event in a new calendar year.

    If you withdraw funds before age 59 1/2, Uncle Sam grabs 10%. If you are not fully vested, your employer gets to retain some or all of its contributions.


  • labelle
    labelle Member Posts: 721
    edited April 2015

    Thanks for that info. I am trying to avoid borrowing against mine but this is an expensive disease, my insurance sucks as I've recently found out and because my active treatment spanned 2 calender years (diagnosed Sept 2014 with RADS beginning in 2014, ending in Feb 2015) I had to meet my deductible and coinsurance twice within 6 months. Ouch!

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