New Trial (for me)
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I am reposting the tx plan from my naturopath. I am not currently on this plan as I said, until my eating is completely back on track, but there's no reason you can't follow this and benefit if you wish
This is taken directly from the printout I received. Some of these are liquids due to my issues with pills, but you can take these in pill OR liquid form - it's your choice.
Dietary Supplements
ProOmega Fish Oil (liquid): DHA Improved overall survival by 14 months in recent study (34 months vs 22 months). EPA reduces inflammation, thereby slowing down growth of cancer.Thismay also help with hand pain.
Prescription: 1 tsp twice per day with food.(study was on 1.8g DHA) or 2 tsp at once.
Myomin: Natural aromatase inhibitor. Helps reduce estrogen's effect on breast cancer growth.
Prescription: Take 2 capsules three times per day. Or 3 capsules twice per day.
Vitamin D3 5,000IU: Regulates differentiation of cells and induces apoptosis. This can also help with mood, including anxiety and depression.
Prescription: Take 1 capsule with food.
Turmero Active (liquid): Decreases inflammation, suppresses cancer growth. This can help with hand pain and joint discomfort.
Prescription: Take 5 ml twice a day. Start with once per day, and observe your blood pressure. If you are ok, then increase to twice per day.
ALA and Hydroxycitrate: Research has shown the combination of the two to be effective against metastatic disease via their synergistic effect on blood sugar regulation.
Prescription:ALA: Take 2 capsules with breakfast, and 1 capsule with dinner.
HCA: Take 2 tablets twice per day, 30 minutes before food.
Others Considerations
Labs: Thyroid panel (TSH, fT3, fT4, tT3, tT4), hemoglobin A1C, CMP, CBC w/ diff, Vitamin D, LDH, IFG-1, Galectin-3, NK Cell assay, Cancer Antigen that you have been tracking (CA-15-3)
23 and Me
Salivary Cortisol Panel with hormones
Urinary hormone metabolites
Integrative Health Clinic- Dr. Gurdev Parmar
http://www.integratedhealthclinic.com/_aboutus/_bios/gurdevParmar.htm
hyperthermia treatment
RGCC Test
Ask for BRCA testing
Future Considerations:
Mistletoe Therapy- once results come back from PET scan.
(This therapy can cause temporary tumor flare, and I have a met near my heart so I have to have another PET before I can proceed with that tx, if I decide to do it).
*Melatonin: Blocks estrogen and epidermal growth factors, increases immune system function.
Prescription: 20 mg at night before bed. Do not go to bed later than midnight.
*Research effects if go to bed later than midnight
LDN: Increases Th1 response in the body, thereby helping to fight cancer
Prescription: Follow directions on bottle provided.I will start you at 3 g for 1 month, then increase 4.5 g.
http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org
NOW Green Tea EGCG: Induces apoptosis in breast cancer cells and helps prevent metastasis.
Prescription: Take 2 capsules 3 times per day.
Unique E: Antioxidant, boosts immune system function, helps protect against kidney damage from high-dose EGCG
Prescription: Take 1 capsule per day with food.
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Cee, my daughter also had "coughing asthma" and she also used a spacer for many years with albuterol. I hope it helps soon. Carpeting is definitely of the devil. We have plain wood floors (and stone in the wet rooms) and only use rag rugs, because those can be washed regularly. We also don't have any heavy curtains, only light, cotton ones that can also be easily washed.
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Cee - about the green tea extract....my int doc told me to take one capsule twice a day with meal. 400mg....and we shouldn't take too much of it because it links to liver decease...
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lol maybe you should try the Butterball. My daughter had it very bad when she was young, even laughing very hard could set her off! When she used to have an attack and the albuterol inhaler wasn't helping, I had to nebulize her at home round the clock. When that didn't work, they had to give her steroids (prednisone). Then they put her on the preventative regimen for weeks, Don't know if that is still the protocol, but you could ask.
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Momine, our house will be like yours - very little fabric stuff.
Deb, all the articles say coughing asthma mostly affects kids and then they either grow out of it, or it becomes regular asthma. Either one would have been great - not this, because it's such a bear to treat
My cousin has a nebulizer and it does nothing for me, though granted I never did repeated treatments so that may be why. I have not tried pred or any other steriod save for a steroidal inhaler called Advair, and I have the most powerful dosed version and still, no help. I can't wait to see the pulmonary MD - I am so tired (figuratively/physically) of coughing and yes, it isn't just upset that brings it on. I haven't been able to laugh for over a week now - same thing as your daughter.
Juneping, thank you for sharing this information. Many Alt healers contradict each other, unfortunately for us. I currently do not have the green tea extract - I did not buy every supplement listed and it's a good thing. I spent over $300 on the ones I did buy only to discover that I can't take tons of pills. Gonna give them to Ray LOL! He has no issues with pills or liquids, lucky guy!
But, I appreciate the info anyway because it will benefit others reading this
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the cough I;ve had since 'o7 turned into a hacking cough this past January. I've known I can't digest the carrageenan in some dairy, I like the milk sugar though & the soporific effect of the melatonin, but I got quite sick awhile back & am cutting down.
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Hi Cee. Just caught up with your post and the list of supplements you were provided. I'm no authority by any means, but it's probably a good thing you didn't buy/take/drink green tea. On the papers I received from my NO, green tea should be avoided with certain auto-immune diseases. Green tea is one of them to avoid with asthma. Might make it worse. So yay you!
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Oh gosh I am so late getting back here - please accept my apologies!
I have periods where I feel a little down and while I did have one of those, I've mainly been dealing with a sick kittycat to the tune of over $2k at the emergency vet. He has abnormal tissue in one nostril and it is hard for him to breathe. As cats cannot breathe through their mouths, this was an urgent matter. We're still waiting on pathology on the tissue but the vet feels it's benign. I'll know for sure next week.
Any-who, I wanted to address some of the earlier posts:
Ml143333, I've had your comment on my mind for a long time. It was such a nice thing to say and gives me confidence in my writing. I DO feel like I am casually chatting with you guys and I'm glad it comes through in my writing!
Katcar, please feel free to share here how your tx is going! I haven't seen that film but it sounds good. The oncologists I've met so far seem to treat cancer with a one-size-fits-all attitude and all you need do is look around any forum here - be it chemo or AI's or whatever and see how different everybody reacts to the same tx to know that we are all so different from one another, and I feel doctors should respect that with regard to therapies.
The only film I've seen is How to Die in Oregon on Netflix. I sure hope California passes that law so when I need to die I can, in peace.
NineTwelve, I sure wish I'd known about cannabis oil when I was young and wanted to lose a little vanity weight. Marijuana is a funny thing - it can give hunger, and it can take it away. I am completely off my oil and I feel it did cause some of my appetite issues, and once I got too thin it caused all sorts of other problems like low BP, extreme lethargy etc.
I am still having trouble. I now eat 1/8 of a "pot cookie" when I wake up and it stimulates my appetite for the entire day. Even with me back eating what I used to eat, I was still losing. I am at 105 now and I seem to be able to maintain that, but not increase. I'd like to get up to 110 but it isn't happening.I ask doctors why this is and they just say, "It's cancer." *sigh* Yes I know. I don't think they completely understand the process either, to be honest.
I have my referral for the GI MD but am putting off making the appt for as long as possible after watching the PEG tube procedure on You Tube. I can do it but I'll be very clear with him - I can NOT be awake and heavy sedation will not work with the kind of adrenaline I pump. PUT ME TO SLEEP LOL!
Oh, I do have news!
I was approved to go to UCLA so I left CoH. I just got word my referral is coming so I can't make my appt til I receive it. They have an integrative oncologist over there and UCLA supports integrative, unlike CoH so I feel I'll get along better over there
Labelle, I don't work but am visually impaired so I can't drive myself to any support groups, so I understand why we need a supportive online environment. I will always support you no matter the choices you make, and you are always welcome in my topic, and you can vent and talk about how you're feeling. Goodness knows I'm absent a lot so please, feel free to use the topic for your own remarks. That goes for all of you!
Hi Momine! It's nice to know someone else who knows what I'm talking about regarding the coughing asthma.
I gave up on the albuterol - it did nothing but albuterol is a rescue inhaler and my air passages are not constricted. The asthma flare lasted two weeks - another reason I haven't been around. This is the first week I've had peace since then, and it's always been that way for me - just have to live through it.
I decided to try an Advair inhaler which is a steroid. I wanted to try it during the flare but I could not take it in. I'm starting it now twice a day and will see if it helps or prevents future flares. I will still be seeing the pulmonary guy but gosh...this is just too damn many doctors for me and now I'm feeling overwhelmed.
Leggo, does that mean I shouldn't drink green tea either, or is it just the extract? I like the Lipton Green with mangosteeno peach. It doesn't seem to set me off the way orange juice does, so I was drinking it instead. I really must find out why eating/drinking sets it off. There seems to be no rhyme or reason. I can eat, a burrito say, one day with no issue but the next time I eat the same burrito it sets me off. All questions for the MD.
Update on me:
Nothing major as I am not yet under medical care. I am giving serious consideration to trying Lupron. My former CoH onc felt Lupron itself would slow down my cancer even if I did not want the AI. I just read that 8-12 days after day one of our periods is when our estrogen levels peak, and that is so true by me. This explains why 8-10 days after day one my breast and underarm where the cancer is hurt like an SOB. It's then that the little monster met in my spine wakes up too. My breast bleeds also.
It lasts for a week and goes away. I read that estrogen peaks once more, near the end of the cycle and that's where I am now - in what I call a mini-flare. Stuff hurts, but not as bad.But this time, the met in my trachea is awake. It aches. I feel it there. Doesn't bug me too much but it's scary knowing what that is right there.
I'm just worried about my bones on Lupron. I dunno if I want to take those bone strengthening drugs...Zometa I think it's called? They seem to cause a lot of pain...all the time. I have bad pain for one week per month. I don't know about that one...
But that's it. I have to wait now to go to UCLA so I won't have much medical news til then.
Our Renaissance Faire begins this weekend and my Ren friends got us hugely discounted tickets so we'll be going several times and I am very excited! I will be buying a new peasant outfit. Maybe I can share a picture
AND, I just found out the other day that Ray has been making plans with a dear friend of mine who lives in the UK - she wants to come visit us again. They didn't want to get my hopes up until they knew it would work out and it has, so she will be arriving mid-April...and will be attending faire with us as well as a couple other things. We're mainly going to keep it low-key and just enjoy each other's company and watch movies and stuff.
Okay that's my news for the moment. So, what are you all up to? How are you doing and feeling? I am always around even if I am tardy I will always COME BACK, so please feel free to post!
Hugz!
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Cee - so glad that you are going to be able to go to RenFest and that your friend is coming for a visit! How exciting. We are going to our state RenFest the weekend after my birthday in June and I am excited. We haven't been since the kids were little, so probably over 10 years. Can't wait. We don't dress the parts, but I probably would if I had the money for a dress. My husband, daughter and son definitely would not, but that is okay too. Please do post pictures if you can.
I am sorry to hear about your cat. Our pets become our family and we do what we can for them too. I hope he/she will be okay in time. We added a new baby to our family. We have a mini-pig named Sir Snorts a Lot. He just so cute and is becoming a regular part of the family. The dogs love him (we have 3) and the chickens don't seem to mind him either.
I am glad that you got into UCLA and that the care is integrative there which is what you want. Good thoughts coming your way.
I will add you to my friends list here so that you can PM me if you'd like.
Have a GREAT time this weekend!!!!!
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Hi Cee. Hope things work out at UCLA.
Regarding your question about the green tea, I can't type out the whole mechanism of action between green tea and asthma supplied by NO, but I googled to find similiar information. Here's a couple links to explain. Once you move to UCLA, a new integrative doc could probably explain in more detail, hopefully.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12956747
http://www.stronghealthtips.com/green-tea-asthma
There are several more on Google.
Have fun at the Faire and enjoy your friends' company!
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I just found this thread for the first time and I am sad that I missed it earlier--it makes me realize that I haven't been coming on here as much. Partly it's b/c I'm busy and partly b/c of the negativity towards alt BC tx. I think we all tend to think that the choices that we didn't make are foolish but we've all got to realize that there are no good choices when you have this dx and we all differ in things like QOL vs desire for life no matter what, or how much trust we place in conventional or alternative doctors. So yeah, we are between a rock and a hard place and it is not beneficial to bicker about what someone else has chosen and it can decrease their confidence in healing, which is a thing we all badly need to keep. I am not giving trouble to anyone in particular here but it is a plea to be mindful. As for a fragile state--we're all kind of there too. I am sometimes more and sometimes less but when I'm feeling fragile I stay away more, though that's when I need this place the most. As for finding another forum b/c this one is not directed towards those who favor alt-tx, I have looked and haven't found an acceptable alternative. I still like this one the best so I gravitate here but stay away when I feel like someone's doubt will rub off on me.
Cee, I truly hope that you will stay--it's sad when one person can drive someone away, even when everyone else thinks they're great. I have learned a lot from your posts and one way you've helped me is by opening my eyes to the possible benefits of medical marijuana. I wasn't exactly hostile before but didn't think it was a thing that I'd do. Now I might.
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M1, faire costumes are SO expensive - I feel ya there! I'd buy a new one every year if I could. Instead I spend a couple years buying a complete outfit LOL! But this year, since we, too haven't been in around 5 years, my mother is buying me a complete outfit. This may sound a little morbid but I honestly don't mean for it to be - it's just honest:
My mom is worried that I'll be too sick by this time next year to attend faire, and so she wants to make this one perfect. I think that is really sweet of her. I certainly hope I AM ok this time next year, but just in case, this year will be a blast!
My issue at the moment is that I am in a minor flare so I'm aching a bit, but, I am worried about my sick breast - it bleeds or spots during flares so I'm going to have to protect my expensive chemises somehow. I usually keep a tissue in my bra so I can try that, or maybe scraps of cloth. It's a real drag.
In another week or so the breast will "dry out" and won't leak at all...but when she's angry, she leaks! (for anyone who doesn't know, my cancer has made it to the outside of my breast).
I'm worried too that I won't be able to wear the bodice because the breast doesn't like to be lifted and pressed too much. I was going to get a leather bodice this time. They have some gorgeous ones with Celtic knots, Celtic knot hearts, dragons and dolphins but the leather is too unforgiving across the bust. I missed my moment for a leather bodice
And also, if I get Lupron I'll have hot flashes and leather doesn't breathe.
I'm concerned I may not be able to wear a bodice at all - even cotton and that pisses me off. I can buy a Middle East/Gypsy outfit - I have one already and they are very forgiving but OF COURSE I don't like that as much as the peasant with the skirts and chemises.
All I can do is go and have the shop lace me up and see how I feel. I'm crossing my fingers it'll be okay.
Pipers, you write so eloquently - that's supposed to be my job! Thank you for your input. I wholeheartedly agree: nothing shameful in being fragile - I mean...we have CANCER! And, this is not the place to argue and disrespect others or their tx choices. We all need to do what's right for us no matter our choices.
Leggo, thank you for posting these links. I will read them after the weekend
Today will be spent getting out all our Ren stuff and I need to fix up a few of my wigs and see which I want to wear for I *must* have pretty hair at faire LOL!
Have a wonderful weekend all and I will see you after!
Mu-WAH! *blows kisses*
ps:
Here's a couple links that have absolutely nothing to do with BC...just a little Renaissance (naughty) fun to make you giggle!
Remember...the first time? (from the Merry Wives of Windsor)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooUEdByzGas
And here is a good one from the Poxy Boggards. I know a couple of these guys!
I know we all have BC here, but ta-tas, sick or well, are well...ta-tas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_FD9jvoiyM
Take care everyone, and be well xx
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Cee, go to the grocery store, to the baby section, and grab a box of those pads nursing moms use to protect their clothing. Gee whiz. I used to know what they're called, but it sure has slipped my mind.
I'm so sorry you're dealing with cancer on the outside of your breast now. If you use the search button and look for Abigail, she has lots of ideas for natural treatments.
You will post photos of you and hubby at the Faire, yes?
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Wow...shows what I (don't ) know. I've never heard of such a thing. We don't have kids so are really ignorant in that department but will for sure check that out!
Yeah, that's pretty much how I learned I had cancer. No imaging saw cancer ever. It wasn't til I had a lump in my armpit and the nipple got scabby that they figured it out.
Okay back to sleep for me now. Thanks for this helpful tip
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They are called nursing pads, are pretty dang absorbant and made to fit comfortably in a bra.
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Just wanted to bip in here really quick because you ladies who suggested nursing pads...OMG such a small bit of info and yet it's going to be a really REALLY useful suggestion for me! This will help me, not just for Faire, but for my flares - so much better than tissues! I even texted Ray today and told him about these things so he's taking me out tonight to get some.
Gee, with my teeny tiny body and great big boobs, they'll definitely think I'm preggo!
My gosh, thank you!
Hey, one other thing: I realize this is a BC forum and that my posts in this topic have veered off of that. It's just that until I go to UCLA which I estimate will be another month or so, I don't have anything to talk about.
I think Deb is right that posting is cathartic for me. I enjoy talking to you guys. Also, I don't want to discuss cancer all the time. We each live with it every day and well, I am hoping that some of this OT stuff I go on about might take your mind off cancer too.
I worry though because I know people read these threads to find information and I don't want to upset anyone with my "casual corner" posts. Now I wish I could go back and change my topic title to something LIKE Casual Corner LOL!
I feel it's better to come here and say *something* than to just stay silent during the long periods between doctor visits.
As Leggo has done, I invite you to post any links you feel are helpful to everyone. I also invite you to talk about whatever - doesn't have to be your condition. Vent if you need to, cry or laugh. I am listening and I know others are too.
I really want this to be a place of support. I don't care what tx you're following. Let us all respect each other and as I said, if you want to talk, about anything, please do. NO stress here ok?
See you later
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Cee67 - This is more on your asthma than BC, but have they ever checked your carbon dioxide levels? I was told that I had the coughing variant of asthma for about 20 years, and it took several other systems slowly breaking down for me to get to the right doctor. By the time I found the right doctor, I was on medical leave and couldn't even walk to my front door without a coughing attack. I actually have chronic hyperventilation syndrome which mimics asthma with the cough, but your body is actually getting too little carbon dioxide to function properly (I didn't know the body even needed carbon dioxide). I was breathing on average 30 respirations a minute, but no one, not even multiple pulmonologists, had ever noticed the accelerated breathing. I went to a speech therapist who retrained me on how to breath and talk. It sounds crazy, but it worked. I have been off of all asthma drugs for about 4 years (& I was on lots of them), and even have reversed a fibromyalgia diagnosis. I just thought I'd mention it as it might be worth looking into or having someone count your respirations. If you look online, there is a lot about anxiety with it as being part of the cause, but the doctor who diagnosed me said that he has often found someone just learned to compensate or breath wrong at some time. Just thought I'd share!
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Hi Notes,
When I get my appt with the pulmonologist (WHY is spellcheck flagging that word???) I am going to print yours and some of the other comments I've gotten here regarding asthma to show him. After reading your post I checked my breaths per minute and I am about 17 according to the stopwatch on my phone.
Whenever they put a pulse-ox monitor on my finger it reads 100%.
I wouldn't be surprised if I get too much CO2 though. My lungs just tickle and tickle, and as I've said before, eating (anything) makes them tickle worse.
Okay, now on to that lung tickling: I've always had this issue of coughing, and coughing more after I eat. I seem to produce a lot of mucous after I eat which also intensifies the coughing. Despite this being a lifelong condition, I do wonder if the met they found in my first (and only) PET, in my main bronchus has anything to do with anything. There is also a met in my trachea on the right side (which I can feel now in my throat - NOT with my fingers) is the culprit of the mucous. A friend's dad had esophageal cancer and his main complaint was clearing his throat a lot.
I am also wondering if the cancer is in my stomach. I've read BC rarely spreads there but when it does it's ILC, my kind.
During my severe period of anorexia from mid-Jan----mid-March I had no tummy issues. My appetite has returned, sometimes with the help of cannabis edibles. But I have what feels like an air bubble in my stomach. I feel it above the navel and under my breasts. It only seems to be there when I am hungry though, which is odd. When I eat it goes away. I wondered if my stomach is just playing "catch-up" after 2 mos of virtually no eating. But, I've been eating (mostly) normally now for nearly a month so I figured the air bubble thing should be gone. I have lower GI issues since last July - everything is loose, but I'm an anxious person and the illness has certainly caused its share of anxiety. I'm likely anxious even when I don't feel so.
You're all sitting there saying, see a doctor!
I hear ya and I'm trying and therein lies my latest news.
A few weeks ago I got a new GP (my previous had a baby) and this one does rounds in a hospital and sees lots of cancer patients, so despite not being an onc, he has more knowledge than a regular GP, which is really cool!
He was very sympathetic to my story of the onc at CoH telling me all AI's are the same - 'can't take one, can't take none.' He knew I wanted to go to UCLA and actually read to me what he was submitting to my ins co. Basically it was just that I wanted a 2nd opinion after being told to let nature take its course at a previous facility. He placed the request as STAT because it's been almost a year since my initial dx and I've had very little care in that time.
My ins claims that STATs are processed in 2-3 days. Why then, on the several I've had, do they take 2-3 wks to arrive? Well, non-STAT takes 6 so I guess that's why...
Anyway, I got the auth for UCLA and I called them early this week.
I knew there was a problem when pediatrics picked up the phone. My auth says: Dept: Genetics.
Pediatrics does have a genetics dept that serves adults. UCLA can't find my referral and says it's common for HMO's to send referrals out but UCLA is a huge place with numerous buildings and sometimes the referrals get lost and no one knows where they go.
Are you kidding me???
So they don't know where it is or even if it's there. The only thing they can come up with is that maybe I've been referred for genetics counseling due to my 'young' age of 46 at dx.
I do think it's a good idea, but AFTER I see an onc as I have NONE now! OMG, if I have to begin the process over again my ins will again take several weeks to send me that referral to UCLA. They always mess up my request and their own CPT codes. I can't tell you how many times I've had procedures booked and called MANY times to make sure they have: the RIGHT code for the RIGHT procedure and they ASSURE me all is well. Ray takes a day off to get me to said procedure only so we are told they have the wrong information and I have to reschedule.
This is why I've been a year with little care. (I am on state ins for my disability).
I have 3 calls in to UCLA to 3 different depts and so far no one has called back. My latest call to them went in today.
My next move is to write to the medical director of my IPA with a grievance. If I had a faster growing cancer, I'd be dead by now. I feel like my ins is hoping if they delay long enough and I will die. It's one less person to pay for.
It's the reason I've not been back in here after the Ren Faire. I've been stressed badly, frustrated, crying; my mother is crying. It's a horrible feeling knowing that I'm making all the calls and trying my best to resolve these situations - (one after another - the whole year) - and yet I can't find anyone to listen or call me back in a timely manner. I've told my family to sue if I die.
I have stage IV cancer and I don't want to fight ins companies. I just want to be cared for. My friends in other countries think it's barbaric, and it is. They tell me if I lived in these other places I wouldn't be going through all of this.
So I have no medical care news. I was supposed to be getting PET #2 to see how much more this beast has spread, in April. If I am lucky maybe I'll get one a year after my first...and that's not enough.
So of course I'm scared about my stomach. I don't know anything and right now, have no one to tell me anything. I do go back to see my GP May 15. He many be the best oncological care I receive.
I will let you know more of this ongoing saga when I know more.
Thanks for reading. I'll be back in a moment with another post.
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Okay I'm back. I wanted to leave all that "heavy" news in its own post.
We did go to faire and had a great time. I'll share some pix soon
Some of the actors there play Puritans, with their noses in the bible and disapproval of everything. One took a look at my chest stuffed in my bodice and intoned, "Leave some room for the Lord..." It was so hilarious! Faire wouldn't be Faire without the Puritans!
I have an idea to get a black bodice and put the scarlet letter on it. They'd LOVVVE that LOL!
I wanted to say a HUGE THENK YOU to the ladies who suggested those nursing pads. OMG that was the BEST SUGGESTION EVER!!! As it turns out, I can wear a bra under my outfit so the chemise is protected but the pads offer an extra layer so I can be confident I don't have a stain and not notice it.
My kittycat went to the specialty vet and they put a scope up his nose and saw inflammation which is why he can't breathe clearly. THEN the CT results came back and the inflammation in his nose is being caused by a mass growing in his throat which is why he really can't breathe, so we have to take him back and they're going to scope his throat and see if they can pull it out while they do so, like they would with a polyp. I hope it's benign, but I won't know til a week after the procedure when they get path results back. We'll likely take him in the first day of Ray's vacation. That's the day we're going to the airport to pick up my British friend.
I'm pulling away from phone calls on Friday. If I get a callback I'll take it but I am making no calls to ins or UCLA tomorrow. I need to seriously de-stress. I think we'll go to faire again on Saturday if I'm up to it (which is why I want to rest).
Take care everyone, have a wonderful day and fabulous weekend xoxoxoxo
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Hi Gals,
This is not BC related but I wanted to share the news of our kitty - his name is Onyx.
They put in the scope and he has a large mass just behind the roof of his mouth, and this is likely cancer. He would require major surgery and radiation treatments after, and we do not want to subject a 16.5 yr old kitty to all of that. The mass may be putting pressure on his brain because he is also having difficulty walking and appears disoriented.
So when Ray gets home from work we will go and say goodbye to our baby. There will be a lot of tears tonight but we know that we gave him the best life that we possibly could these past 16+ years. Those of you with babies who've crossed over Rainbow Bridge, please tell them to expect our baby this evening. I will talk to the many we've had who've gone before and they will be waiting. For them it is not a time of tears but of reunion, where they can run and play in health and happiness.
I am very glad our friend from UK will be arriving this Friday. It's going to help us to stay positive. I try not to cry over him because we *did* do our very best for him - the best vet care etc and the most love any kitty could hope for. I think Onyx knew his time was coming because he's spent the last several days on our deck, enjoying the spring weather from day til night. He had the best life right up to the last day. Even so, it's hard every time we have to say goodbye to one of our babies. I will miss him very much.
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Cee, I'm so very sorry about Onyx. It's so very hard. My thoughts are with you.
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I'm sorry you have to say goodbye to your kitty Onyx. May he forever rest in peace.
Nancy
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cee perhaps you shouldn't take onx away from his comfort sunny outside place & let him die on his own time........we seem to have a similar trouble though I've not had a period in a whole lot of years. I've had a cough since '08. this jan it turned into a hacking one especially if I have any fat esp any cholesterol late in the day.discovered some stale good bread heated a bit in the oven, dry, nothing on it, would curtail nausea. great tip about the nursing pads, will look tomorrow, my breast bleeds sometimes but not (yet? ) there. I do have a great deal of lymph though I soak up now with paper towels between the plast ic & the rest of the dressing. see how to treat an ulcerating tumor. if it;s still there. searching "abigail" may get you no result. I'm persona non grata some as I have no diagnosis
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Cee, I am very sorry to hear of the passing of Oynx. You must have taken very good care of him for him to have reached 16.5 years old.
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Hi Ladies,
Thank you so much for your condolences on my kitty, Onyx. MusicLover, we tell ourselves the same, and any time we lose one of them - that we gave them a long and good life of care and love, and did our best by them. And, we truly did. I will never forget our big black boy.
Abigail, I understand what you're saying about letting death come naturally but that would have been an awful end for him. He had a large mass blocking his trachea that prevented him breathing as well as eating and drinking. He wanted food but would have to spit it back out. It was horrible to watch. He would have slowly suffocated.
The emerg. vet gave him IV fluids so he was hydrated at least and, interestingly, we had some summer-like weather the last few days of his life and he spent those days out on our deck from afternoon til after sunset. We knew his time had come and gave him as much time as he needed to be out there.
The vet did not have a table but rather a sofa and we held him in our arms as he went to sleep. He felt secure and so did we. We gave him a wonderful life and had a proper goodbye.
I had a fabulous visit with my UK friend but now am getting my place back in order after her departure PLUS dealing with my medical insurance and (lack of) care issues.
I'll be back to chat after I manage to sort a few things out.
I hope you're all well and enjoying springtime. Here in Cali the weather has gone from warm to hot and back again. I sure wish it would make up its mind.
I'm thinking of all of you, as always,
xoxoxoxo
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I understand, & I shouldn't post here because I've never been able to keep one of these wonderful beasts more than 6 years. but I've heard that when they are ready they stop eating. that certainly was true with our dog boo. bob rescued him from a life on an outside rope, line & chain, just said to his friend I'm taking him. boo stayed awhile then left probably on a reproductive errand, after all that time prisoned, he was quite old, he returned but only to not eat & then die. I had a black cat once, she came into my life, as most have, on her own volition. long story, she did have many kits so her line went on. her name: abra brandy grupp after a friend's daughter
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Abigail, as someone who works in cat rescue and who sees the tragedies that befall unwanted cats and kittens I cannot stress enough the importance of spay/neuter and keeping pets inside or at least in fenced areas. That's how you get animals that live for so long.
Let me be forthright : if you can't do the most basic service of spay/neuter then please don't have pets.
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this is one of my always mentions. I disagree strongly, not that the "fixed" sentient beings, humans as well, live longer, but at what price. & do we spay & neuter the racoons? the bear? the opossums?
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Oh man, not even going there Abigail and you'll find no cat or dog rescue who would agree with that attitude. Not talking wild animals but the millions of house pets killed in shelters each day...or worse, killed by cruel people who just get off on hurting something.
Perhaps we aren't the right group of people for you to be with. I could never associate with someone like you, not after what I and my fellow volunteers have seen.
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