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  • TerryMarie
    TerryMarie Member Posts: 77
    edited April 2015

    JackBirdie, I think the joint /muscle pain might be from the Herceptin or possibly the doxetaxel? I'm not sure but I am on Neulasta as well , but hadn't had this ache before the change in meds, not sure. It's funny you mention online shopping , I'm now waiting for a new pink top to be sent my way since I ordered it yesterday! lol. I highly recommend the skechers shoes I bought last week! Easy to walk in and anything that comforts me lately is a plus. I wish i could nap, I'm not a napper , never could , except when pregnant. I have laundry to do and don't have the energy but I'm not too worried about that. It'll be there tomorrow.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2015

    Nursejules: Good for you for firing the MO.

    Sharon: Your grandkids are beautiful.

    I am having a lot of trouble even thinking about the long term future. I just feel like I need to get through the next day. The loss of my hair hit me hard. Not a vanity thing. I want to keep working out because I feel like it keeps depression at bay and I keep thinking about going to Jazzercise in my hat and the people looking at me. I feel like the depression is setting in. Plus, maybe I didn't shave it close enough because it hurts when I lay down at night.

    You guys are so amazing. I am so amazed at how you remain so optimistic.

  • Leighrh
    Leighrh Member Posts: 317
    edited April 2015

    trvler- I'm rt here with ya. Looks like yesterday was my last day with out a hat or wig. I found it strangely fascinating to pull most of it out this morning. Still have a bit. But big bald patches. That is my only concern too.... The gym. That's the only place I can't wear a wig. Tomorrow is going to be rough but I think after the first day I will be ok with it. Once I get all the aww faces out of the way. Lol.

  • molly1976
    molly1976 Member Posts: 403
    edited April 2015

    If it helps, I have been bald everywhere I go for about a week now and I am shocked at how little attention it garners. Nobody seems to pay attention at all, not even weird looks or anything. Maybe people are just better at covering up their shock than I thought they would be. Only one person has said anything to me about it - my cashier at Costco said, "I'd like to think I would be as brave as you are if I were in your shoes," which is silly. I'm not brave! It's just 85 degrees out here and a wig is too dang hot!


  • TerryMarie
    TerryMarie Member Posts: 77
    edited April 2015

    I had very long thick hair and cut it off to within an inch or so and it looked awful. My friend came over and shaved it right down to the wood and now I wear a tube scarf everyday. I bought a wig and it looked quite nice but I couldnt get used to it and ended up trying to put the 'hair' behind my ears and usually ended up pushing the bangs over too far and I looked stupid. I haven't lost my eyebrows so it's not so bad. I never thought too much about the hair loss at first , I figured it was a small price to pay to get better. Having said that, it's definitely tough because to me , it's like the billboard telling everyone what's wrong with me. Also the picc line in my arm which I try to hide. There is no shame in this situation though, we are all fighting a battle and the hair will grow back in a matter of months and we'll be better off for it. I try to focus on the positives and steer clear of feeling scared and the 'why me' stuff which I thought about too often. I felt like I was sitting in a deep dark hole in the ground alone but as I go along I feel more optimistic and hopeful, I want to focus on getting healthy , hopefully lose some weight, get more active and realize that I'm being given an opportunity here to have a good life.

  • eheinrich
    eheinrich Member Posts: 792
    edited April 2015

    Molly, I've also been surprised that no one looks twice at my bald head.

    Trvler, my hair hurts too. Seems to mostly be if there's pressure on it, like laying down, or touching it. Some nights I wear a sleep cap which helps a bit.


  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2015

    You guys have no idea how much these posts are helping me. I am not really feeling why me. I know I had just as much a chance as anyone. But does anyone else feel like now it's everywhere you look, there's cancer? I am so sick of it. lol

  • TerryMarie
    TerryMarie Member Posts: 77
    edited April 2015

    It's everywhere ! Everytime I read something on facebook or the news its someone with Cancer, it's crazy..I did feel the 'why me' thing but only because I thought if it was anything that was going to affect me it would be possibly heart because im carrying extra weight , or a hundred other things, this was right out of left field. But I'm handling it and on we go.

  • Jackbirdie
    Jackbirdie Member Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015

    Molly- so sorry about the missed vaca ... You're weekend getaway looks super though!

    TerrieMarie- it's possible it's the Neulasta even though you didn't get the pain before. You could try 10 mg of Claritin. Not the Claritin D. It helps me a lot with the pain that you are describing. I don't know why an antihistamine works for that, but it seems to.

  • Jackbirdie
    Jackbirdie Member Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015

    Trvler- I've been down the rabbit hole a. time or two. It is not unusual given the situation we are in. And like TerryMarie says there is no shame in it.

    I agree with the others on several points. You will be surprised at the support you get. Or they will ignore it. A baseball cap will be fine! You will forget all about it once you start pumping endorphins. if you go and feel you can't go on, you can up and leave if you want. I wish you would try. You walk in there and visualize all 35+ of us girls walking in with you. I hope you don't think I'm nagging. You have helped me so much in the past.

    And yes it seems once you or someone very close to you gets C you then see it everywhere. I'm not sure if it's because we become hyper aware, or if others feel more comfortable revealing it subtlely to you. A weird sensation for sure.

    I went commando in a pretty nice restaurant. I wore dangly earrings though to avoid the fate of Italychick and Slothabout.

    The other thing is my hair also hurt when it wasn't buzzed right down. Especially on the pillow. A scullcap helps but what helps most is keeping it buzzed short. Not razored like you see some guys do. Trimmed often. I can see I still have patches where the follicles haven't completely given up the ghost and that's where it hurts. It does hurt much less today than ten days ago. It will get better.

    And TerryMarie- so funny about the shopping. Love Sketchers! Being comfortable and the simple act of treating ourselves well during this time is very healing I think.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2015

    No, no. I don't feel you are nagging. I feel like the first time will be the hardest.

  • BBwithBC45
    BBwithBC45 Member Posts: 727
    edited April 2015

    I get bone and joint pain too, but I do not get Neulasta. It could be Hercpetin.

    I also have an inflamed wrist joint and I will have it checked out on Monday by a rheumatologist.

    I don't think I have thought "why me?", because why NOT me? Just luck of the draw. I do mourn however the loss of my "normal" life. I miss the usual me, not being able to wear my normal clothes, going to work instead of going to the doctor's appointments. I'm mourning that I cannot play golf with my husband, that we will not go on vacation this year, etc. - the mourning part is the source of my pity parties. I feel trapped by this damn cancer.

  • Meme117
    Meme117 Member Posts: 194
    edited April 2015

    I also feel as though I see cancer stuff everywhere - annoying!

    Sharon your grand kids are adorable!! And your place looks like a lotta fun, you have your own zoo😀

    I'm getting an Alex and Ani bracelet for each treatment, two also as gifts. Tomorrow which I'm dreading not the actual infusion but knowing the days to follow will suck... I will see if they sell an F bracelet.

    My head is so sensitive - does the coconut oil help that? Need to get over to health food store. I wor wig with a cap yesterday and this am to yoga - it's ok nobody knows it's not my hair till I tell them. Problem is it slips a little forward or backward,any advice?

    Gorgeous day in PA, going to soccer in a bit. Katy where in Doylestown did you live? My husband lived in Doylestown years ago, we are 25 min from there, I also worked there last year for a vet office. Did you ever do the mercer museum?

    Here's one of my love bugs - Southern is his name, he's 4 and his bark is worse than his bite

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  • Jackbirdie
    Jackbirdie Member Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015

    MaryEllen- love your love bug!

    I lived right in town for a couple of years, about 10 years in Ottsville, (20 min N of D-town) and later in a development just north of town called Summerhill. Great town. Loved the Mercer.

    I use the lavender coconut oil. I love it and it conditions my face and scalp, and helps me relax. But I can't honestly say it helps the sensitivity/hurting. I think that's just a stage I went through when it was falling out. I actually shaved before it fell out, but I still was very sensitive around day 21. And still, if I don't keep keep the patches tidy it is sensitive, especially on the pillow.

  • greenae
    greenae Member Posts: 540
    edited April 2015

    Hi all

    Buzzed on friday and cdnt sleep friday nite because scalp felt so sensitive. Ended up wearing a soft hat. Got 2 satin pillow cases from BBB yesterday and sleptlike a baby last night. Oh yeah, took an ativan. Lol. But the satin cases did help a lot! I wear an Adidas baseball type hat for thegym, and there are 2 other women there with same do as us! Trying to get up the nerve to take it off if PS lets me go back to Spin.

    I hope everyone is enjoying some nice weather. Its Finally spring in NY.

    Hugs!

    Arlene

  • SueH58
    SueH58 Member Posts: 632
    edited April 2015

    Hi guys. I have to comment on a couple of your thoughts:

    - Cancer is everywhere. I could barely get an apptmt with a MO! And I've met at least 3 or 4 people in my apptmts lately who have had breast or uterine cancer. It's all around us, but we never noticed.

    - I hate the vacations on facebook. My best friends went to Hawaii and kept sending pics or their resort, turtles, a little slide show. Do they think I really want to see their trip of a lifetime? I didn't have a big trip planned this year, but cancelled a week in Florida. My only daughter is getting married Oct. 3. I hope i'm done with treatments by then. I never envisioned going to my daughter's wedding in a wig.

    - I should have my Mammaprint results in a week and 1/2. But, regardless of the results, I'm' feeling the respponsible thing to do with an Octotype of 20 is to take chemo. It's a relatively (but grueling) time in the scheme of life. Do you mind my asking how you feel the side effects are compared to what you were envisioning? If I need chemo, I just want to get it going, and overwith. I hate this waiting.


    Sue

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2015

    Greenae: Do you know what kind of satin pillowcases you got? I looked there yesterday and the only ones they had were these 'silk' ones that cost $69 and they didn't even feel that good. I am trying not to take ativan to sleep. As it is, if I do, I wake up at 4 am and can't go back to sleep. 1/2 xanax works better. I am trying to only take anything when I have to. I am worried about addiction.

    BB: You described my feelings exactly. I am mourning my normal life. I also feel isolated. I am one of only a few stay at home moms left on my street. Most of them went back to work. I have never really connected with most of them anyway.

    I see everyone out enjoying the weather. I want to push my kids out to play but my older daughter has bad allergies and refuses to take anything for them so she hacks all night. Also allergic to dogs and cats.

    I love all the great pictures. The nature ones are so soothing.

    Sue: I agree that cancer is everywhere and we are just noticing it now because it's us. It gets me when even my favorite nighttime soap (Nashville) has to have a story line about it. I know the guy will get a miracle cure. I just don't f-ing want to think about it.


  • Carrie37
    Carrie37 Member Posts: 331
    edited April 2015

    I do feel like Cancer is everywhere now. It makes me cry, in fact, sometimes as I just think "too many." Also, why does my autocorrect think its necessary to capitalize Cancer? I find that very annoying! Trvler, I think you are right to think about getting through the first trip out with no hair. When I lost my hair, it hit me harder than I thought over several days. Thousands of posts ago I posted on one of my worse days about wearing my wig out for the first time. I didn't want to wear it and I really struggled. I wear it to work and church but those days are numbered as I am only working through Wednesday this week and then I am home for the long haul. I need more scarves and hats cuz I'm not wearing that wig all the time! I have noticed that I adjusted to the wig and it seems "broken in" now and easier to wear. My boss gave me the aww look the first day I wore my wig and I found that very annoying. I wear a hat or scarf out a lot and people don't say anything or even look twice at me.

  • Jackbirdie
    Jackbirdie Member Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015

    Hi -Sue-

    I remember well the long days and nights between dx and test results and treatment decisions. It's an awkward, painful, scary time. No doubt about it.

    I understand why you are asking the question about SEs relative to expectations. I don't think there is any answer except.....it depends. I suppose most of us fear the worst and hope for the best. The medical teams do a much better job of managing SEs than ever before. But that means taking even more meds, and some people are unaccustomed to, and even against, taking so much as an Advil for a headache.

    There are wonderful ladies here that are suffering MUCH more than I am. It is completely disrupting their life. And there are others that are able to make some adjustments and get on with it. Nobody is unscathed. It is something only you can decide. And you have to fly blind, since there is no way to know in advance.

    I would say, if you haven't already, is to read the thread through from the beginning. The stories are there. The unexpectedly better than imagined, and the horror of never having imagined it could be this bad.

    You can ask your MO after you get your mammaprint what he or she would say if you started....and felt you couldn't handle it. Could you stop? What are the risks if you start and stop?

    Since you haven't filled out your profile, or you have but haven't made it visible for us to see, I can't tell if you are hormone receptor positive. Maybe you mentioned it previously and I don't remember. Anyway, if it's available to you as a treatment, in most cases with an intermediate Oncotype score, you will get more benefit from the hormone treatment. The chemo gives you a few extra % points usually, on top of the HT. I am not a dr., or a nurse, so please ask your onc these questions to confirm.

    So, bottom line.....nobody knows. Nobody can tell you. All you can do is ask yourself if you can handle what Bekah or Shaz are going through. And others. And then hope you are luckier than them.

    And understand that there is no safety in the numbers, no guarantees, chemo, even if horribly debilitating, will prevent recurrence. Will you think chemo had been a waste if that happens? Perhaps not, if it allows you to say to yourself you've done everything possible.....then enjoy your life without worrying every day if this is the day you find out it's back.

    If I didn't know exactly where you are right now, I maybe wouldn't say so much. Keep in mind that by definition, everyone in this group chose chemo. You could probably get some very different answers if you start a thread and ask "tell me the reasons you opted for no chemo?"

    Best of luck once again and I'm so very sorry you're in the place you are in right now. A warm hug and fingers crossed for you

    Katy

  • BeatIt2015
    BeatIt2015 Member Posts: 45
    edited April 2015

    I don't check in often enough but have spent most of the day catching up on all the posts. So glad we have this group to help us thru the tough (sometimes horrible) days. I have a new favorite phrase: " ShitSandwich." Love it. thank you Katy. I love all the photos of pets and kids and nature's beauty, and hair and no hair. My SEs have been minimal and manageable after round 1. My blood count recovery was so good at that appointment my MO said I was her "super patient". She said some numbers were even high and asked if I had a lot of bone pain. I had 2 days of bad pain (legs and back) and she warned to expect same with each round as it is tied to my body going overboard on the blood count recovery. She said to take my Rx pain meds, not just Claritin and Tylenol. I'm thankful my MO is very proactive with meds, very aggressive against SEs and very responsive to calls. I had enough energy last week to get organized for a yard sale on Fri and Sat and made a little over $100 just selling small junk and old clothes--so that was fun!

    I'll be back in the chair for round 2 on Wed. I hope everyone has a good week ahead with little or no SEs, no stupid comments from family, friends or strangers (maybe speak back to anyone calling "Sir" by referring to them by the opposite gender!). Just Kidding. I wish all the answers you need and comfort in your decisions to all the newbies. A huge you-got-this hug to everyone!!!

    Carol

    PS- I got satin pillowcases on Amazon, 2 for $15 (I think).

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2015

    Carol: I am happy you are having minimal SEs!

  • SueH58
    SueH58 Member Posts: 632
    edited April 2015

    Katy

    You are such a gem. I did complete my profile, but if it doesn't post, here are my "stats." This is why I was so surprised that I may need chemo. But, thank goodness for new tests that prevent early-stage cancers from recurring.

    Right, 1cm, Stage Ib, Grade 2, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (FISH)

    Thanks for your understanding and encouragement.

    Sue

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2015

    Sue, you have to go into the profile and to the right and select make it public.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2015

    Sue: I would be surprised if you needed chemo, too. Have they told you you would? Is it the oncotype? Forgive me if I missed your post.

  • SueH58
    SueH58 Member Posts: 632
    edited April 2015

    Yes, Tryler, my oncotype score is 20. I guess they recommend it if it's over 19. Also, my tumor size is 1.5, not 1. I'll have to see if I can correct that.

    Awaiting results of the Mammoprint.

    Thank you!!!


  • Jackbirdie
    Jackbirdie Member Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015

    Carol- great to hear from you and great news on the blood work and manageable SEs.. Take a seat over there next to Theresa aka Italychick, our other Super patient! I am right behind you going for 3/6 on Thursday. Backatcha "you got this" hug!

    Sue, I see your stats now! Pretty similar to me. I think between 20-30 is considered intermediate and they leave it up to you and your MO. I don't think there is a way to fix the tumor size on the profile. Mine was 1.6, but it seems you just have to choose 1 or 2, etc. It's a tough decision you have, but good news you are ER positive and will be able to do tamoxifen or an AI like Arimidex, depending on your menopausal status. (I haven't had a period for 2 yrs but the MO ran two estrogen tests and it seems I am producing just enough estrogen still that I will probably have to start on Tamoxifen instead of an AI, which is a newer type of drug). They both have their pluses and minuses.

    Will you have to do rads? Or has it been discussed? If so, it may come before chemo.

    Hugs,

    Katy

  • Carrie37
    Carrie37 Member Posts: 331
    edited April 2015

    I'm still trying to figure out what an Oncotype and Mammoprint is and why I don't know mine. Is it because I haven't had surgery yet? Or my doctors stink at communicating?

  • SueH58
    SueH58 Member Posts: 632
    edited April 2015

    Yes, I will need 33 rad treatments. But chemo would come first.

    Thanks for your comments. I hate to fill up your board with my "unknowns." You guys are my role models. You inspire me to do what I need to do.

  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited April 2015

    Greenae push your surgeon. You should be able to spin. They go overly cautious on waiting to return to exercise. I have found it is helping my lymphatic system after the sentinel node biopsy. If I miss a day of exercise I get a tight feeling where my sentinel nodes were removed, but after a rde, hike or walk any tightness goes away. I think it also helps me clear out and have little side effects, other than nasty mouth for about four days after an infusion. Plus on a spin bike you don't really use your arms that much unless you stand, and you can set the tension wherever you want to.

    Just got back from a 34 mile bike ride and feeling great. Burned 1209 calories too! I know I sound like a broken record, but I really believe the exercise is helping me keep side effects to a minimum. Am I as fast? No, but I am still doing, which is important to me. With round 3 on Wednesday, feeling nervous. But I don't care if I have to go out there and ride at 10 mph, I am still going to ride. It is my way of feeling normal. Still no drugs but Claritin and Steroids.

    Other than work, I just wear a do rag everywhere. I'm over it. I found some soft cotton ones that are just bandana material, love them! Feels like I'm not wearing anything. I do get some second looks, but more like people are puzzled, like I couldn't possibly be out there riding my bike with chemo. But I am! Still riding about 100 miles per week and walking or hiking another 15-20 miles. Hope round 3 doesn't take me down which I know is possible.

  • rleepac
    rleepac Member Posts: 755
    edited April 2015

    Hey! I'm having a good morning...yay! I even made it to church and sat through the whole service. I really needed some Jesus this week so I'm happy that I was able to go.

    My sister's MIL is a seamstress and she just made me a really cute pink hat and this scarf (it's reversible). I will probably end up going bald/commando latersince our summers get up in the 100's but for now I'm kinda enjoying the scarves.

    Now I'm going to rest so I don't over-do it and have a set back.

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