What foods are you eating to reduce recurrence?

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  • Penzance
    Penzance Member Posts: 101
    edited March 2015


    Hi Lala and Fourminor. Good to know Mg helps with hot flashes too. Might get those if I'm put on Tamoxiflen or other.

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited March 2015

    Gemini, I don't know about the fish part (no way I could cook or swallow fish), but there has been study after study that PUFA's are bad for cancer. Not only regarding inflammation, but they also affect the markers of immune function, biology and prognosis. Some, like me, believe that is why statins, combined with metformin show promise.

  • Nash54
    Nash54 Member Posts: 837
    edited March 2015

    What are PUFA's?

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited March 2015

    polyunsaturated fatty acids

  • Teakie88
    Teakie88 Member Posts: 226
    edited April 2015

    I have a question for any of you who take tumeric (curcumin) w/black pepper capsules. I have always ordered mine online, and they're pretty expensive, depending on where you order them from. Is this available from someplace like Krogers, CVS, Walgreens, reasonably cheap? If you have an inexpensive source for purchasing this, I'd love to hear from you. AND, is it really necessary to purchase curcumin capsules, or would a person do just as well to buy curcumin, add black pepper, mix, and ingest? I wouldn't really think there would be that much of a difference, except for the big expense of buying them already in capsule form, although I don't know the ratio to use for mixing. Also, do you think it's okay to take 2-3 capsules/day (750 mg each) or is that too much? What is recommended dosage/day, and should it also be taken with olive oil? Lots of questions--would love some help. Thanks. Ann

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited April 2015

    Teakie, I personally don't take turmeric, but I thought I'd address the cost issue. Gel caps, any size, are readily available at health food stores. You can buy a microgram/gram scale at any head shop. I find buying the raw ingredients, weighing and capping is much more cost effective, and reliable probably. At least you're 100% sure what you're ingesting. Caps are like 2 or 3 bucks for a whole bunch and the scales are only around 15 bucks.

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited April 2015

    Teakie88--I've been taking turmeric for my joint pain for about 1 1/2 years and just buy mine off Amazon. I don't know enough about all this stuff to make my own! When my holistic doc put me on it, he said I could take up to 3 550mg capsules a day but to start with one, wait a month, and if it didn't help, to increase. I took one a day along with 550mg capsule of ginger. Within 2 weeks my pains were totally gone, so I have stuck with that dosage. He did tell me that he preferred I take Gaia Turmeric as he knows the ingredients are ok, and it has the proper balance of black pepper. I don't take mine with olive oil (never heard of that), just with all my other supplements every morning with my breakfast.

  • SoLinda
    SoLinda Member Posts: 120
    edited April 2015

    Does anyone know if fresh turmeric is as good as taking a capsule? I am growing it in my garden and use a piece of it mashed with garlic, black pepper, oregano, olive oil and lime juice as a salad dressing.


  • DayLily15
    DayLily15 Member Posts: 144
    edited April 2015

    hi all

    any thoughts on raw vs cooked flax seeds.

    Thank you

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited April 2015

    As far as I know, raw and ground is the best if you're using it for its health properties. Unground will just pass through your digestive system and cooked will spoil the essential fatty acids. It's whether or not it's indicated in breast cancer that puzzles me. I recently heard that they do not recommend eating it supplementaly if pregnant or breast feeding....something about it being detrimental to breast health in offspring. That scared me.

  • DayLily15
    DayLily15 Member Posts: 144
    edited April 2015

    tamoxifen side effects sounds like menopause so i was looking to improve my diet as i adjusted to the tamox.. this is what i found and questions myself about the info and phytoestrogens in particlular

    ~~~~An interesting little seed, flax lowers cholesterol and discourages tumors. It's been used as both food and medicine for thousands of years, and it contains phytoestrogen lignans in great quantity—75 to 800 times as much as other plants. Flaxseed also has an omega-3 fatty acid—alpha-linolenic acid—that clears obstructions from arteries. Grind the flaxseeds before ingesting them (or else they'll just pass through undigested), and sprinkle a quarter teaspoon on a slice of whole wheat bread or a salad. You can work up to a teaspoon a day—in, clinical trials, women with high risks of breast cancer are taking up to 2 tablespoons daily.~~~~

    have i been dr google silly ?

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2015

    Daylily: I don't think you are being silly at all. That's what this thread is all about. I just can't get a handle on if flax is good or bad. I have heard both. Admittedly, I haven't researched much about them.

  • labelle
    labelle Member Posts: 721
    edited April 2015

    I put 2 tablespoons of fresh ground flaxseed in my daily breakfast smoothie, both to help prevent a BC recurrence and to keep me regular. It is definitely a good source of fiber. A small coffee grinder works great for grinding flax seed.

    I also bake Paleo/gluten free bread with flax meal (pre-ground flax). It tastes pretty good, but I don't know if cooked flaxseed is supposed to have the same BC preventive qualities as the raw seeds.

  • DayLily15
    DayLily15 Member Posts: 144
    edited April 2015

    thank you trvler , sounds like i better keep reading about flax.

    labelle thank you for that info, i like flax breads, and red river cereal [like porridge but with more grains than just oats]

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 618
    edited April 2015

    Another way to eat flaxseeds that I find enjoyable is to keep a small dish on my desk and in the car and when I think of it I get a very tiny amount--maybe 10 seeds at a time and suck on them and then chew them. It keeps my mouth busy and prevents me from chewing the sides of my mouth, a nervous habit I've had for years and it's making wrinkles, so flax is better I'd say.

  • cbaird99
    cbaird99 Member Posts: 68
    edited April 2015

    SoLinda, fresh turmeric (organic) is wonderful for you, I have done it, plus capsules, for a few years now for arthritis and am continuing through radiation. I juice with it daily. I also juice a bunch and put it into mini ice cube trays which are for when I am out, or for throwing in a quick smoothie. HTH

    Cindy

  • SoLinda
    SoLinda Member Posts: 120
    edited April 2015

    Cindy (cbaird99) - thank you for your reply regarding fresh turmeric! It tastes soooo much better than the powdered stuff - and who really knows what is mixed in with the powdered stuff anyway!!! So far, I have only used it in homemade salad dressing, but I would be very happy to try it in a smoothie, too! My husband is also enjoying the flavour, so it's all good! I have planted even more of it and look forward to it being large enough to harvest! I am also interested in it acting as an anti-inflammatory - your idea about putting it in icecube trays is great - I will have to do that, too! All the best, Karen


  • newbe6
    newbe6 Member Posts: 44
    edited April 2015

    I got 1 pound of organic turmeric on amazon for under $14.00 incl S&H. I had some delicious golden milk with it, but looked on the Mayo website and am unsure about numerics safely in my type of BC. Does anyone know about its use in hormone + BC?

  • yoga_girl
    yoga_girl Member Posts: 234
    edited October 2015

    Organic Food Bar - Active Greens - 11g protein; Vegan, Gluten-Free

  • HomeMom
    HomeMom Member Posts: 1,198
    edited May 2015

    I made a great Kale Salad a couple weeks ago. No meat, but it was filling and delish!

  • NineTwelve
    NineTwelve Member Posts: 569
    edited June 2015

    I may be "late to the table" but I finally saw the documentary Forks Over Knives on Netflix last night. (I had been avoiding it because I was afraid it would be full of sickening agri-business, animal cruelty footage. Not the case, fortunately.)

    I was already trying to give up animal products, but this hit home, in a new way.

    One thing I'm confused about: both the lead doctors/researchers in the film are adamant that we shouldn't add oils or fat to our food. I get that it could be contraindicated for heart disease, but for cancer? The one doc (can't remember his name) came to heart disease research after being a breast cancer surgeon. He said something like cancer was way too much for him to tackle, but that heart disease is a "paper tiger" - you just have to eat right and you won't get it (which was why he decided to focus on it).

    I have the book, and I'm looking through it, but does anyone have any thoughts about fats? I'm thinking olive oil, and coconut milk. Do I have to give them up? It would be so hard to do completely without them!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2015

    Ninetwelve, I eat a lot of fat. Most of the fat I eat is olive oil, second comes nuts. I like almonds and walnuts and eat quite a lot of them.

    There is some research to suggest that a low-fat diet may help women with triple-negative breast cancer. other than that, they will sometimes advise against a lot of fat, in order to keep people slender, since it is thought that being slender is generally a good thing for BC patients. So, it is not because the fat itself is bad, but because a high-fat diet is more likely to make you, well, fat. But my BC is not 3-neg, so I continue on with my olive oil. Besides, without the added fat, I would not be able to keep my weight on.

    That said, fat from animal sources, including dairy fat, is probably not super-great for us. I have cut way back on cheese, sadly, and things like butter and cream are pretty much history in my diet.

  • NineTwelve
    NineTwelve Member Posts: 569
    edited June 2015

    Thanks, Momine and yoga_girl. From what I could gather from those articles, I don't see a need to cut all the fat out of my diet. I think I would just be replacing it with starches or sugars, and that wouldn't be any better for me. I'm not overweight at this point, having lost eighteen pounds in the first four months after my diagnosis.

    Last night I watched the Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead 2 documentary. It was kind of touching to see the people getting together to bring the fresh food message out, creating community gardens and juice bars, and losing weight and poor health symptoms in the process.

    I don't think I could face all the work and clean-up of juicing, by myself, with no dishwasher. But green smoothies are pretty healthy, too, and you drink the fiber, which couldn't hurt.

  • Karz72
    Karz72 Member Posts: 160
    edited June 2015

    Juicing is great but yes, clean up is tedious!

    I'm loving my green smoothies at the moment - apples, pears, spinach, cabbage, lettuce, baby marrow & avocado in varying combos is what I've tried & they're all yummy.

  • NineTwelve
    NineTwelve Member Posts: 569
    edited June 2015

    Wasn't going to have a smoothie this morning for breakfast, but you talked me into it. : )

    Frozen blueberries make it purple!

  • labelle
    labelle Member Posts: 721
    edited June 2015

    I eat lots of fat, but only certain kinds (olive oil, coconut oil,nuts). Fats do not make us fat-as any follower of the Adkins diet or Paleo diet will tell you. It's sugar and carbs that pack the pounds on. After switching to a Paleo diet (no sugar/low in carbs) I lost 25 lbs without even trying and it has stayed off. At 5'7" and 130 lbs I'm pretty thin even.

    While I've not sworn off meat (no Paleo eater does!) I wouldn't touch reg meats after having been diagnosed w BC-only grassfed, antibiotic and hormone free meats these days, way, way more veggies, no gluten and very, very limited organic-only dairy, no processed foods.

    I have plenty of friends who have tried to eat low fat diets due to heart disease, high cholesterol, etc and it seems they end up gaining weight because they are hungry all the time and eats carbs instead of fats and protein and despite their diets their cholesterol doesn't budge. Mine went down with a Paleo diet which seems rather counter intuitive and not what we've been told, but several more recent studies link carbs and sugars to high cholesterol and heart disease rather than fat consumption.

  • NineTwelve
    NineTwelve Member Posts: 569
    edited June 2015

    Exactly, labelle, I am worried about satiety. There is no way I can stay on a diet that leaves me hungry all the time.

    I just bought a nut milk bag, because, while I enjoy almond milk, I don't enjoy the prices of storebought, or the packaging waste I am creating, or the carbon footprint of shipping those containers of mostly water and rice starch. And maybe carrageenan is bad for us, or maybe it's not, but I don't think I want to take the chance on it.

    I should probably post this in What's For Dinner, but does anyone have any tips for making nut milk? Or general tips for transitioning from convenience food to plant food based eating. (I live alone and I am not much of a cook, and even when I do make something, I often end up throwing away a lot of food because I can't prepare and eat it all before it goes bad.)

  • DianaNM
    DianaNM Member Posts: 281
    edited June 2015

    NineTwelve, I guarantee that a low carb paleo type diet, with plenty of healthy fats will NOT leave you hungry! One of the reasons it works well for weight loss is you begin to achieve satiety faster.

    Did so well sticking to my healthy paleo type diet until late last year. Starting eating more sugar, more simple carbs (gluten free breads and goodies) and gained 10 pounds which are sticking. A couple of years out you get a little less vigilant. Surprise! I have a new little tumor, in the other breast. I also spent a lot of time in the evenings with my iPad in my lap, reading and playing games. With the wifi on. That's a no-no. Having a lumpectomy soon, thinking I will not be having rads. But I will do better on my diet.

    I have been taking turmeric since my first diagnosis three years ago, but just switched to Gaia brand a month or so ago. I have a really painful bursitis in my hip, and for the first time in maybe 10 years, it doesn't hurt. So I'm thinking the Gaia has better stuff in it.

    Anyone taking liposomal Vitamin C? I'm adding it, can't hurt.




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