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  • SpriteB
    SpriteB Member Posts: 49
    edited April 2015

    thanks ladies! Im going to call the MD back in the morning to ask about the hair follicles again. In the meantime I just happened to have coconut oil in my cupboard and it is now up my nose and on my head. The smell reminds me of a tropical vacation. Hope I dream I'm relaxing on a beach somewhere with not a care in the world. Sweet dreams! :-)

  • slothabouttown
    slothabouttown Member Posts: 449
    edited April 2015

    Yay to Katy for good bloodwork! And I'd like to give a shout out for Kansas City barbeque (pretty sure I remember bbq showing up in this forum a page or two back.)

    I want to say that this group is so important to me. It's so comforting to hear from other women who are having exactly the same feelings as me ( what if this chemo regimen isn't strong enough ) and the same side effects (wtf is this new rash, pain, or fill in the blank.)

    Thanks for being here. I look forward to checking in every day!

  • Carrie37
    Carrie37 Member Posts: 331
    edited April 2015

    Katy, yea on the blood work! What a relief! thanks for the tip on the baking soda for my mouth. My MO gave me a medicated mouth wash which seems to help temporarily. Did the "mouth" sores also appear on your tongue? I'm starting to come unglued, so to speak, with some of these side effects. Now I have this strange rash (?) /raw skin down between my legs. Almost like a heat rash but it seems to be getting worse. I plan to call the MO today even though I was just there yesterday. It sounds silly but I'm embarrassed as it seems like such an odd side effect that I haven't read about. My husband first thought it was some ingrown hairs but it seems to have spread.Any ideas out there?

    And maybe this is a silly question but for those using the coconut oil; do you warm it up first? I know it is solid so I am just not sure how to use it and I want to try. Maybe it would help my rash?

  • SC_Coqui
    SC_Coqui Member Posts: 133
    edited April 2015

    Trvler, My inlaws want to do pizza since they can get BBQ where they are. I guess they want something different. So far the best BBQ I've had was in Asheville. There aren't many places in Charlotte or near me in Fort Mill, SC that make BBQ that makes me go, Wow!

    My taste buds have really taken a hit this time. :( I'm having coffee right now and battling some minor fatigue which has hit me much faster than last time. I'm hoping that it means it'll end faster.

    On a different note. My DH has some really crap timing. I took a Phenergan last night and crawled into bed. Just as I'm falling asleep, I think it must have been 10:30, he comes into our room and says, oh my God your never going to believe this! I asked him what it was and again he says, you're never going to believe this! I get angry and tell him to tell me already. Our neighbor's 17 year old son has been wearing a knee brace for a couple of weeks. The other day he was here with their dog and I asked him what happened. He said he wasn't sure but that it's been swelling up and has liquid. Yesterday they went for an MRI and they found what they're almost sure is a 3 cm tumor. They're going to do a biopsy and scans. I feel so bad for his family. I relate to them a lot. He's an only child to older parents. He's everything to them. He's a super bright young man that's supposed to start college in the fall. Cancer sucks!

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2015

    As for the driving to and from, I like to have the ativan so I can't drive home. Also, if you give them five days notice, you can get a cancer society volunteer to drive you.

    Mouth sores: TRY LYSINE!

  • DavisD
    DavisD Member Posts: 338
    edited April 2015

    Just checking in. Round 2 has been more about insomnia, racing heart and nasty taste in my mouth. Tried the ice chips Theresa but my teeth are throbbing, not sure if that's chemo or dental? The crushing fatigue and inability to process more than one thought when I'm used to multitasking....I have a grant that needs to be written by COB next Friday and I think it's making me more anxious worrying about getting "it" back in time to complete the task. I know I'll probably be much better after the second week but this always waiting on something is getting a bit old!

    It's still good to come to a place where you are understood. Thanks for being those people and that place for me! Have a beautiful Friday all.


     

  • Jackbirdie
    Jackbirdie Member Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015

    Carrie- Yes, the mouth sores first appeared all around the edge/tip of my tongue. Terrible. Couldn't eat or drink anything. But the baking soda and/or lysine stopped it on the first round, and avoided it the second round altogether. I continue to take it prophylactically, now heading into round #3 next Thursday.

    And poor you! Your SEs sound quite a bit like mine. If you look back to around March 30, I think, you will see I posted a pic of a NASTY rash. By the time the pic was posted it had gotten a little better and still looked and felt horrible. About 12"x 8", top of legs, up to my abdomen. Around the entire "basement". I tried washing gently with aloe and applied triple antibiotic cream..no love there. I was advised by mo nurses to get otc hydrocortisone cream. I was in such a state I stripped in the Safeway parking lot to try to get immediate relief. Four days later it looked and felt somewhat better.

    I had a blood draw that day and they put me in a private room and my MO came and looked at it. He thought it was yeast, especially since yeast does like that general dark and moist area. He scripted Nystatin cream 2 x daily and in between I continued the hydroC. It cleared up in about another week.

    I had gotten the rash, slightly, after first round. But it quintupled in intensity after the 2nd. I'm thinking about putting the nystatin on prophylactically after next infusion. I do NOT want this bad boy again!

    Sorry if tmi.

    Katy

  • Leighrh
    Leighrh Member Posts: 317
    edited April 2015


    Is anyone else have hair growing?? Not on my head.... it's steady coming out but I thought for sure I could hang up my razor.  But I have been wearing sleeveless shirts.... It's already getting hot here in Louisiana... and I still have to shave my underarms!!  Its not long, but that dark stubble.AND I even had a chin hair pop up.... WHAT IS THAT ABOUT???? If I am gonna lose the hair on my head all this other hair better get going too!!!!

    Also... I guess with this chemo business your body has trouble healing with scraps and such??  Last night at the gym I ripped my hand doing pull ups.. something I have done 1000 times before, but It kept me up last night!  It is just a tear a little skin gone but it makes my whole hand throb.  I had to get up in the middle of the night and take something.  All the SE I could be having and this little tear on my palm is gonna kill me... LOL!!!

    Happy Friday to all and I hope today is a great day for everyone!

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2015

    Leighr: I am guessing you are having chemopause. Those pop up chin hairs are a menopause thing, I think. Have you had any other symptoms? Periods still? I had a full period but I can tell my normal estrogen is down.

  • Jackbirdie
    Jackbirdie Member Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015

    Diane- so sorry. The insomnia and racing heart sounds like the steroids to me. Those should be wearing off soon. If you are like me and take the dexamethasone for 3-4 days after chemo, provided your nausea isn't bad, you can cut them in half or stop early. In any event, I feel sure your body will start to calm down soon. If you have access to any kind of anti-anxiety meds, (I take clonazepam, which has a longer half-life and therefore thought yo be possibly less addicting?) that would also help on two fronts. Insomnia/racing heart SE and worry about getting it together to write the the grant.

    I hate it that this situation we are in has us taking pill after pill for the side effects of the side effects. But I try to remember that some of the major improvements in chemotherapy in recent years is not only the efficacy of the drugs themselves, but better dose management (try not to kill the patient with the cure) but also much better management of the SEs than before. So I have tried to set some of my concerns aside about popping pills at the drop of a hat. I take everything available to me, especially in regard to nausea, which I am most fearful fearful of, and anything to counteract the steroids.

    Hope this helps a bit. A big hug coming your way,

    Katy

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2015

    God, it really freaks me out seeing some of the treatments that they have tested on BC patients. I slowly try to watch the Cancer documentary and they were pulling out bone marrow, giving HUGE doses of chemo and pumping back the marrow. The chemo practically killed them and did kill 1 in 5. They found out the results were no better so they quit. It really scares me to think of being experimented on.

  • Jackbirdie
    Jackbirdie Member Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015

    Leigh- it may be an old wive's tale, but I've heard that certain steroids can cause facial hair growth.

    And regarding healing, me too. Cuts, a small burn I did cooking, bruises, all taking much longer to heal and bothering me more while they aren't. So sorry. Think it's just part of the shit sandwich.

  • Leighrh
    Leighrh Member Posts: 317
    edited April 2015


    I had a period... started the day of my first tx.. lucky me, so who knows if my next one will show up.  Oh I pulled that pesky chin hair out and hopefully it will not return.  I just thought it was strange that it showed up. All the things I look to happen, happen opposite for me for some reason. I am cold when I should be hot, hair growing when it shouldn't, just part of this insane roller coaster I am on. :)  I do not need an excuse to hate steroids....  I really hate the feeling on those suckers.  I take them for 4 days and I am thinking of asking the MO if I can skip those last 2 days where I only take half a pill.

  • Jackbirdie
    Jackbirdie Member Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015

    here is a list of dexamethasone side effects:

    nim.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a682792.html#side-effects


  • Leighrh
    Leighrh Member Posts: 317
    edited April 2015

    I am really a happy go lucky kinda gal, despite this shit sandwich(Katy, I love this reference)  I really try to push through and stay that happy gal... but I tell you what .. That steroid puts me in a serious funk... I want to hide from the world, quit my job. think my hubs and kids are better off with out me.... as soon as I am off of it I am fine!  So those side effects def explain a lot!  I really hate medicine.  Before this I took an advil every once in a while for something or other but that's really it.

  • molly1976
    molly1976 Member Posts: 403
    edited April 2015

    I only have one dose of steroids per week, right before my Taxol, and it's enough to bring on those terrible emotions for at least one day. It sucks! My skin is also terrible.

  • greenae
    greenae Member Posts: 540
    edited April 2015

    hi

    I so agree! The decadron is the worst. Ask for cleocin for your skin. My MO prescibed the lotion, and it is working. I am finding the headaches and eye dryness and pain to be the worst SEs. Next infusion, going to taper off the decadron. I wAs a looney for a week last time. Ugh.

    Off to get buzzed. Hope we can all feel better soon!

    Hugs!

    Arlene

  • slothabouttown
    slothabouttown Member Posts: 449
    edited April 2015

    Carrie,

    I had the mouth sores on my tongue and my throat. I had a sore throat all the time except the pain was everywhere instead of radiating from one area like sore throats I've had before with the cold or flu. This SE started about 5 days post chemo and lasted about 4 days each time. Sometimes I would have a coughing fit because my throat was so raw. This round I'm going to use the lysine. I also swish the baking soda salt mix all the time. Other things I found helpful were drinking hot water with raw honey and lemon, and honey cough drops. One day in my MOs waiting room I read a pamphlet about raw honey helping mouth sores due to radiation for lung cancer so I added raw honey to my list.

    To use the coconut oil, just scrape it out with a spoon and as soon as you put it in your mouth or your hand it will warm right up and turn to liquid.

    I'm wondering if i'll have a period this month. I had one normal one after my first treatment. Has anyone had theirs after their second or third round?

  • ninjamary
    ninjamary Member Posts: 306
    edited April 2015

    Ladies,

    Thank you for all your kind words and concerns. My situation is still shitty. I'm waiting on a call to get a "pas port" installed early next week to get round #3 of chemo going as my MO doesn't want any delays in treatment. (Thank God!) I do have to have surgery to remove the powerport. To say I'm pissed off is an understatement. I was given the blood clot busting medication yesterday at some point and it failed. I'm not sure if the pas port is temporary or final. I guess the hospital will explain it in detail when they call. The port surgery is worse than the lumpectomy in my book. Seven days no shower, the pain, the healing..Cancer sucks. It looks like I have to take an entire week off of work and sit in the house with healing pain and chemo side effects. Yes, I get my chemo one week late (I can deal) but I feel like I'm taking 10 steps back and crawling 3 steps forward. Maybe it's time to smoke that joint someone gave me. LOL. I just look at it right now and haven't felt the need to get high. Actually I'm scared as I'm 49 not 19.

    I've been stress eating and having night sweats non-stop. Reading the latest posts now I might have to worry about facial hair which makes me think this is some sort of sick joke. I think tomorrow is a day to stay outside and work in the garden as that always makes me feel great. Once I get officially back on a schedule I'll be good to go.


  • BBwithBC45
    BBwithBC45 Member Posts: 727
    edited April 2015

    I did get my period on schedule after two Taxol treatments. But then, I got another period two weeks later, way ahead of the schedule and this was after 4 Taxol treatments in total. I do not know what to expect next.

  • Leighrh
    Leighrh Member Posts: 317
    edited April 2015

    imagestill have my trusty bun... But looky here... Scalp... And way to much of if

  • SueH58
    SueH58 Member Posts: 632
    edited April 2015

    Hi everyonle! I'm new to this board, but have been reading the thread and feel like I know you all!

    I am awaiting word as to whether or not I need chemo. I see that so many of you had early stage breast cancer and I wonder what factor influenced your doctors and you to do chemo. I had a stage 1C, 1.5 cm, grade 2 tumor with a KI-67 of 20 and an oncotype of 20. It seems that the oncotype dx score is now the driving factor. I am having the Mammaprint test done to see if it comes back low or high risk. Because I'm in this "gray" area, it almost feels like it's my choice as to whether or not to undergo chemo.

    Any feedback on your "history" is appreciated.

    Thanks, and I hope you're all having a good day.

    Sue

  • Jackbirdie
    Jackbirdie Member Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015

    Dear Mary: you have never been out of my thoughts long since this mess started yesterday. Continuing to send good thought and hugs your way.

    I think getting out in the garden is a fab idea. I think it will help. Be sure to wear gloves. That is VERY important.

    I wanted to tell you that you inspired me a couple of weeks ago to get my own charm bracelet. I started my niece with one when she was here and I'd bought a few charms. But the bracelet just came yesterday. In your honor im ordering the "F" today. I feel it quite appropriate and I can't wait until some nosey boots wants to know what it stands for. Depending on my mood, they'll get an earful. Here it is so far. A paw print for Jack, a book because reading is big with me, and two peas in a pod with a little birthstone. My niece has a matching one to celebrate our uncommon bond. You can see there's a spot right in the middle for "F".

    image

    By the way, there's a pink "awareness" ribbon charm. F that. I'm plenty effing aware.

  • Beachbum1023
    Beachbum1023 Member Posts: 1,417
    edited April 2015

    Jackbirdie, I am so glad that you say it like it is! This whole process from Day #1 is hard to live with. That and all of the side-a-f&#ks are never ending. I can hardly wait to see how the next chemo goes.............some day I will be out of parts to fall off.

  • SC_Coqui
    SC_Coqui Member Posts: 133
    edited April 2015

    Mary-- why one week without showering for port surgery? I'm wondering if your doctor is being overly cautious. I was able to shower the day after. I'm so sorry that you're going through this! I know what it's like to have to get your port replaced and have to do it 2X. So far that was the most upsetting and frustrating thing.

    I've been really over heated and sweaty as well, it has to do with steroids. After a few days I know it'll be better.

    As for the "extra" hairs. So far I haven't had any and I'm hairy to begin with :)


  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2015

    Hi Sue, I can't comment on the oncotype as I have not had one yet. For me, I am stage 3a, and +node so that's what decided it for me.

    Ninja: I hate hearing what you are going through. If you want to smoke it, do it! (I have smoked it in the past and I didn't particularly care for it. It made my heart race).

    Leigh: I hate taking meds, too. I would occasionally take a xanex to sleep but that's about it.

  • BBwithBC45
    BBwithBC45 Member Posts: 727
    edited April 2015

    Ninjamary - If I recall correctly, I had to wait 48 hours after port placement surgery before I could shower. A whole week seems excessive.

    SueH58 - I didn't have Oncotype, nor Mammaprint tests done. I am however Her2+++ and I had multifocal IDC so that is how chemo was decided for me.

  • Jackbirdie
    Jackbirdie Member Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015

    Welcome Sue- so sorry to meet this way. You probably already know that the Oncotype is only used on early stage patients, so in a way it is the driving factor, since by definition (clear nodes and margins and <2cm) and sometimes micro mets would not normally require chemo. I think it's great you're getting the mammaprint too. That test seems like it's going to be the future since it analyzes more genes. With all of that in hand you should be able to talk sensibly to your MO and make a good decision.

    My Oncotype dx score was 30. Great. It was always in my gut to do it once I heard the number, but I still took a week to think about it and talk to family (who, naturally, seeing pink tutus after talking to the surgeon about the clear nodes and margins and "great" prognosis didn't get it AT ALL). What? Chemo?

    In my case, the HT would reduce my chance of recurrence within 10 years from 30% (this was when I started to get pissed off-30%? That's good? Really?) by 10%. The chemo only reduces, in my case, another 4-5%. But I felt in my gut I didn't want to look back in a couple of years and doubt myself. So I went for it.

    That's my story. Everybody here at bco has a different one. Different circumstances, different health to start with, different values. But obviously, everyone in this thread opted in.

    I wish you the best of luck and a warm hug. Make the best decision for yourself. If you decide chemo is your path, we will be here to help

  • ninjamary
    ninjamary Member Posts: 306
    edited April 2015

    Katy! Love you! I'm getting my F charm today after work. I'm going out on a limb here, but I think by the end of this journey I will probably have the word spelled out on my charm bracelet.

    SC, I'm thinking you are right. They made me wait that long with the power port.2nd time around I'm not going through that again. They told me to take a bath. It's not the same thing...it's fun, but I love a good strong shower.

    Regarding Susan G. Komen...I've linked two articles that opened up my mind about this organization. Regarding Lisa Adams.com...Read at your own risk. I don't want to bring the sads to any of you lovely ladies. She passed away early this year, but is a wonderful writer and had a large following.


    http://www.alternet.org/story/154010/i_will_not_be...,_not_cure

    http://lisabadams.com/2012/02/03/why-i-divorced-th...


  • ninjamary
    ninjamary Member Posts: 306
    edited April 2015

    crap. ...that first article...I had it saved on my PC when I first found out. I forgot that it's anti chemo also. Ignore that part of it. I'm not spouting off that stuff. Duh as I'm begging for infusion #3.

    It's been one long week.

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