Spring 2015 Radiation Sisters

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  • MombieZombie
    MombieZombie Member Posts: 509
    edited March 2015

    CurlyKat--I use breathing and meditation, prayer, journalling, Vitamin B. I have a sister who knows of my past traumas. Her dh is a counselor so she knows a lot and tries to help me. I don't use anxiety meds because I haven't found one that doesn't give me other undesirable SE's. They make my insomnia worse, give me headaches, and make my restless leg syndrome worse. I'm not an easy puzzle to solve. Most of the time my own coping mechanisms work. It surprised me to be falling apart like this. I have a friend with a counselling degree. I'm going to ask her for some advice.

    Thanks for all the kind words and encouragement Curly, Jesika and Jean. You are all right. I can do this. I just needed to see and hear the words. I actually read your replies out loud to myself. I'm so grateful that I can speak freely here and receive care and understanding. I have always been able to rise above the bad things that happened to me, but this has hit me in ways I never expected. Thanks for supporting me. Hugs to all. You are all in my thoughts and prayers too. It helps to have you to care about too.


  • farmdau56
    farmdau56 Member Posts: 42
    edited March 2015

    Allicat--

    I hope you got good news about your oncotype score. Since my score was "in the middle" my oncologist ordered a mamaprint test. On that one my cancer tested high for recurrence and that's why I went ahead and had chemo. My radiologist feels that the mamaprint is a more accurate test.

  • allicat1214
    allicat1214 Member Posts: 84
    edited March 2015

    Hi ladies,

    My Oncotype score is 19. My MO said he has to put every option on the table and it would be up to me to decide a) if I wanted chemo and b) which option of chemo: TC which he said was "brutal", was only 3 mos, but would give me an extra 3 percentage points on the cancer not returning or CMF which wasn't as bad, took 4.5 mos, but would give me 2.5 extra percentage points. He said with lumpectomy alone I had an 85% chance that my cancer was cured and wouldn't recur. With 10 years of AI, it would add another 4% points, so at 89%. With chemo, 91-92%.

    My initial thoughts are I'm going to have chemo and likely the "brutal" one. I want to throw everything at this monster. I want to do everything I can to fight it. But I have a lot of research to do and will go look at other boards...


  • MombieZombie
    MombieZombie Member Posts: 509
    edited March 2015

    Farm--What's involved in the mamaprint test? Is it a further biopsy, a scan, a blood test? I am her2 and that is supposed to have a high recurrence rate. I haven't been offered a test like you are talking about....at least I don't think I have. I think I have a new question to ask my doc.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited March 2015

    Mombie - being Her2+ you wouldn't typically be offered the Oncotype DX or Mammaprint as they are used to help determine whether chemotherapy will benefit you, based on the biology of YOUR tumor. Since Her2+ are pretty much always treated with chemo and herceptin and/or perjeta, there's no need for the test.

    It uses samples taken from your tumor.

    I hope that helps!

  • readytorock
    readytorock Member Posts: 199
    edited March 2015

    allicat1214 - I'm so sorry your Oncotype score came back leaving you with a decision to make! Mine was 19 also - so close to being in the NO CHEMO group! Trying to decide what to do was rough! Once I decided to do chemo, I felt hugely relieved!

    I was lucky - I had an easy time with chemo and rads have been not bad either. My husband and I say all the time how happy we are with our decision to do everything we could do to make sure the cancer doesn't come back!

    Best of luck with your decision! If you have any questions about my decision let me know!

  • MombieZombie
    MombieZombie Member Posts: 509
    edited March 2015

    Hopeful--Yes, that helps. Thank you. So much to learn and I'm interested in ALL of it. Glad to learn more.

  • zjrosenthal
    zjrosenthal Member Posts: 2,026
    edited March 2015

    mommie, herceptin / perjeta have been called miracle drugs...my chemo doc said they are getting amazing results with them... Love, Jean

  • DJCRI
    DJCRI Member Posts: 11
    edited March 2015

    Had my second treatment today and it did go much smoother and faster.  The techs were very happy with my positioning and I got my tattoos.  When I got to the rad room, I asked the techs if they could tell me what they're doing and what's coming next to help me with anxiety and that helped a lot as well.   I figured I would try to communicate in a positive way early on. 

    Mombie -- thank you for the welcome.  I am sorry you  had a rough day today but you have an inner strength that you can rely on, we all have that and you can do this.   5 more!  Can't wait till I am counting down to single digits.

    Cassie Cat -- good luck with your remaining treatments -- also down to 5 -- will be thinking of you and Mombie during the final stretch. 

    LM68 --  Love what you told your husband -- you have to take the first step -- one breath at a time, one step at a time.   I have found that practicing gentle yoga and breathing techniques helps me with everything, especially anxiety.   And you don't have to do anything too complicated (unless you want to).  Simply focus on your breath -- breath in and breath out.   There are so many useful tools you can develop and use.  And if medication helps, using that as well. 

    Curlykat -- I am also diagnosed with GAD and found yoga to be key for managing anxiety.  I also teach gentle yoga and workout.  Good for you for practicing breath work in pre-op.  I thought I would practice ujjayi but ended up with a simple mantra -- breathing in and breathing out -- and it worked and it helps me during my radiation treatment as well.  Also listen to relaxation CD's at night.  And for mediation (which is very brief right now) I use lovingkindness (metta) mediation: 

    Wishing us all a peaceful and happy night -- May we all be safe, May we all be happy, May we all be healthy, May we all live with ease.

  • farmdau56
    farmdau56 Member Posts: 42
    edited March 2015

    Allicat--I had TC and for me it was not "brutal", although I know it is different for each person. I got through it even though I continued working. Still have some side effects one month out, but, all in all it was manageable. Not sure what I would have done if both the oncotype and mammaprint had been inconclusive. Good luck with your treatment decision!

    On another topic--is any one else who had chemo. experiencing joint/muscle pain? This week both my knees were so stiff and swollen that I ended up having them drained. The (regular) doctor said she's not sure what caused this...I did not injure myself or overdo the exercising. Might have nothing to do with my cancer treatment, but just wondering. They are sending the fluid to be analyzed and want me to see an ortho. Enough with the doctors!

    Sweet dreams to all--

  • MombieZombie
    MombieZombie Member Posts: 509
    edited March 2015

    Jean--You are right. So far my results have been pretty neat. I had cause for an MRI after just one week of chemo (Carboplatin, Taxotere, Herceptin, Perjeta). The radiologist came in personally and told me that he was excited to see that my tumor was already significantly affected. I had no tumor left at all when it was time for surgery. They just took a margin of tissue and took axillary nodes. Biopsy showed ZERO cancer cells, not even one or two dead ones. I am super grateful for this treatment. While I struggle with certain aspects of this journey, I count my blessings for the successes. You are good to help me keep that in mind.

    DJCR--Happy to hear that treatment was better for you today. You are smart to talk to your techs like you are doing. Thanks for the extra vote of confidence. Yoga is something I haven't tried to help anxiety. Looks like I have something new to try.

    Farmdau--I haven't had to have fluid drained, but I have had severe joint, muscle and bone pain. There are days when I can barely move and no pain relievers help. I was told it was from my herceptin infusions (which I continue to get every three weeks). I recently found out, from another gal, that if I have them slow down the infusion to 90 minutes instead of 60, it will help the problem. Not sure if I'm helping with my answer because your chemo was different than mine. But I sympathize with your difficulty. I hope your docs can identify the problem and that it can be solved.

    I hope everyone is busy having pleasant dreams. I think I'm going to read a book. Not sleepy in the least bit. I do love the quiet of the night though.

    Thanks all, for helping me through the day. Hugs all around.

  • amylsp
    amylsp Member Posts: 188
    edited March 2015

    Two weeks down, 5 1/2 more to go! So far, so good. The area around my scar is a little tender and I have some mild itchiness that comes and goes. Otherwise, no noticeable side effects yet.

    Farmdau56, I have had muscle and bone pain in both legs since 3 weeks out from last chemo. I know it's not the Herceptin, because it started before my first 'Herceptin Only' infusion. My muscles feel sore like I just did a big workout, and my shins ache like I have mild shin splints. It's especially bad when I first get up in the morning and after sitting for awhile, and also going up and down stairs. My MO says that it's a SE of the Taxotere. It has damaged the capillaries in the legs and they are leaking fluid to the surrounding tissue causing swelling and pain. He says it can take months for the capillaries to heal. In the meantime, I'm supposed to keep my legs elevated when I can, and continue to exercise as much as possible. Both of these will help move the excess fluid from the legs.

    Mombie, it's always great to hear when those who had chemo before surgery having such good results. It's comforting for those of us who had surgery first, and have to go on faith that the chemo is working.

    Have a great weekend everyone, and enjoy your two days off.

  • zjrosenthal
    zjrosenthal Member Posts: 2,026
    edited March 2015

    When I had my Axillary lymph node dissection after chemo they removed levels 1-2 and a few nodes from level 3. They only found 2 positive nodes, both in level 1 and the cancer cells in both nodes were dead from the chemo. Go chemo, yeah! Love, Jean

  • MombieZombie
    MombieZombie Member Posts: 509
    edited March 2015

    amylsp--That's good info on the Taxotere SE's. Thanks for sharing. It may explain some things that weren't matching Herceptin only SE's. Glad I could say something comforting for a change. I worry that I'm bringing everyone down sometimes. I hope you have good treatment results too.

  • Curlykat
    Curlykat Member Posts: 85
    edited March 2015

    Mombie - gentle hugs! This is the dvd I ordered:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036LG0F4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    I've had some trauma training in my yoga teacher training, but nothing for breast cancer, and making the move to gentle yoga will be a challenge for me.

    DJCRI - than you for the reminder of the metta meditation!

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited March 2015

    Mombie, you may want to see if a 'yoga for cancer patients' program is offered anywhere in your region. My hospital doesn't offer it but another nearby does and it's free with a doctor's referral. It's VERY gentle and can be adapted as needed. I get a lot out of it and am grateful to have it. I hope you can find something equally helpful.

    Same hospital also offers mindfulness and meditation classes, also free. I haven't tried those yet but would like to.

  • Redhead01
    Redhead01 Member Posts: 47
    edited March 2015

    allicat1214 ... Your story is somewhat similar to mine.  I was actually ON THE SIM table for rads, thinking all I needed was the surgery I had, then radiation......only to be yanked off the table because the Oncotype score JUST came in...at 34.  That was a kick in the gut!  So off I went for 4 rounds of TC.  The chemo wasn't as brutal, for me...as the Neulasta shot (given to increase bone marrow production).  Every bone ached...even my teeth...but  lasted 2-3 days, and I was given Vicaprohin (Advil didn't cut it).  I had my chemo's on Thursdays... so my worst days were Sunday/Monday....some times I stayed home Mon/Tues, but for the most part, was able to continue working.

    It sucks that most of us are probably OVER treated, heck for 85% surgery is enough!  But but but.....

    (by the way, Geaux Saints!  Huge fans here...our entire basement is black/white/gold and fleur di lis everything!)

    I've completed my 1st week of rads now....yeah!  So far, no SE's and anxiety almost nill.  Either way, time passes us by, might as well be doing something to fight cancer!  

    Ginny

  • Ratherbecooking
    Ratherbecooking Member Posts: 42
    edited March 2015

    Farmdau56 - Thanks so much for the info about the muscle and joint pain after Taxotere. I am 5 weeks post CT and the muscles in my thighs and calves are so achy and my knees hurt also. It started before I got back on the treadmil, so I assumed it was the chemo, but wasn't sure. Did your MO say how long it would take to resolve?

    I am 8 treatments in to my 33 of rads. Hoping to avoid the burn! Best to all in rads!

  • farmdau56
    farmdau56 Member Posts: 42
    edited March 2015

    Actually, my onc. told me the muscle pain is a side effect of the steroids (dexamethasone) taken along with the chemo. drugs. She said the best treatment is to exercise and do weight training, but that has been frustrating for me because once I started to walk more (nothing very strenuous) I had the knee pain and swelling. Might not be chemo. related at all, but I've not had this before. I guess I just have to take it slow.

  • MombieZombie
    MombieZombie Member Posts: 509
    edited March 2015

    Curlykat--Thanks for the link.

    Hopeful--Now that you mention it, I think I remember something about yoga for cancer. I don't think it's free, but it would still be worth looking into.

    Redhead--When you did the Neulasta shots, did they tell you to take Claritin before hand? That's what they have us do here. It's supposed to help reduce SE's, but they don't quite know why it works. Congrats on one week done!!

    Farmdau--Is your pain improving after they drained things? Hope you are feeling at least a little better.

    No nightmares last night. (I only slept 3 hours, but they were uneventful.) I took you all to treatment with me and repeated everyone's kind and helpful words in my head while I was in the waiting room. I still jumped a mile when the tech called my name, but I was able to cope with things better today. No big fan circulating cold air either.

    I had the first of five boosts today. It seemed different than what others have been telling me would happen. No one drew any lines on me. The machine didn't really come close at all and only came at me from side angles. I still had to hold my breath for each angle. And there were two angles instead of one. I know you hold your breath for left-side treatment, but another left-side gal at my clinic said that she didn't have to hold her breath for boosts and there was just one angle, with the machine super close above her. Thoughts?

    So far, I don't feel much different. More tired maybe? Four more to go! I'm going to focus on trying to have a nice weekend with visiting relatives. I feel relieved to have a weekend reprieve. Happy Friday all!



  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited March 2015

    Mombie, I can't believe you're down to 4 to go!! That's terrific. Enjoy your weekend with your relatives. I'm hoping the weather stays nice....


  • zjrosenthal
    zjrosenthal Member Posts: 2,026
    edited March 2015

    Two weeks done, four to go. On tech today that I hadn't seen since I asked for two techs is an older man with a great sense of humor. He had been told about my asking for 2 techs and laughingly said "you're not the first woman who didn't want to be alone with me". We both had a good laugh. Nice. Teehee. Love, Jean

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited March 2015

    Mombie -- maybe you have two angles because they are doing both the lumpectomy site and the lymph node area (?). My radiation therapist told me that they wouldn't have to map out my boosts ahead of time because they've already created a plan for my boosts from the CT scan they did of me earlier. Yes, I'm looking forward to my weekend reprieve, too.

    Jean -- how funny! Radiation is such an awkward business that it really helps to have a sense of humor about it.

    Enjoy the weekend everyone!

  • readytorock
    readytorock Member Posts: 199
    edited March 2015

    Mombie -

    Four left for me, also!

    My experience with the first of my boosts was the opposite of yours it seems - they drew lines on me, one angle, didn't have to hold my breath (always have before), machine came very close, etc. It was fine though - maybe 15 minutes total as opposed to 5.

    And the skin around the rest of my breast is already happy. Almost done peeling, only a little pink and not so itchy. I'm curious what the boosts will do to me.

    Sleep better!

  • CassieCat
    CassieCat Member Posts: 1,257
    edited March 2015

    I've got just three left - 1 regular and 2 boosts. Have a good weekend, everyone. :)

  • MombieZombie
    MombieZombie Member Posts: 509
    edited March 2015

    Jean--Yay! Two weeks conquered!

    Readytorock and Cassiecat--We are in the home stretch! Almost there.

    I thought about my boosts some more. My tumor was really close to my chest wall, right at the base of where breast tissue meets ribs. It was hard for them to even capture an image of it on a mammo because of that. I am wondering if it is so close to my heart that they have to approach the boosts from side angles. I would need to keep holding my breath for that too. I think I will ask some questions on Monday. I'm pretty curious why my boosts are different. I like being unique in life, but this isn't quite what I had in mind. LOL

  • mhenz
    mhenz Member Posts: 19
    edited March 2015

    I am just starting out had 3 sessions. I asked my tech if the radiation would affect my back and he said no. Mombiezombie I asked Because of your post. My concern is the whole heart thing as mine is on the left side. I ask a lot of questions and he stated most people just are like "whatever". I told him that was not me, I needed to be fully informed. so for now I'm done asking questions. Im already on the table and committed to the whole thing. I just feel like they down play everything which makes me distrust. anyone else feel this way

  • zjrosenthal
    zjrosenthal Member Posts: 2,026
    edited March 2015

    Mommie it was so nice to see your smile through your last post. You are a warrior dear as are all of us and you will make it.

    mhenz, we are all concerned about heart and other damage. Mine was close to the chest wall. At some point, for my own peace of mind, I decided to just trust that they know what they are doing and are saving my life.

    Wishing all a restful, healing weekend.

    In His hands, Jean

  • shelleym1
    shelleym1 Member Posts: 298
    edited March 2015

    Two weeks down! Two weeks to go! Monday I have my planning session for the last week which is the tumor bed boost. I am pretty pink but it seems to only have gotten mildly worse. The swelling is def still there. So ready for this to be over.

  • Iowawoman
    Iowawoman Member Posts: 28
    edited March 2015

    mhenz, my husband and I went for appt with RI Monday, and, even though I love her, we felt like she kept minimizing our concerns and not really answering our questions fully. I do think she knows what she's doing, but I don't think it should be unreasonable to explain a little better. So, somewhat to her dismay (and mine--I just want to get going), we now have an appt somewhere else on Thursday. I'm lucky to be close to another treatment center, and a second opinion can't hurt.

    Everybody else--it's been a big help to read your posts. Thank you.

    Lisa

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