Mom & cousin on mom's side, diagnosed at 37

sarahsusername
sarahsusername Member Posts: 82

My mom was diagnosed young at 37 (she is currently 58 years old with her second recurrence, Stage IV) and recently my 37 year old cousin found out she has breast cancer.

My mom tested for the BCRA genes in the 90's and they came back negative. We figured that her cancer was environmental and due to stress but now with my cousin's diagnosis makes me think we might have a gene mutation.

The fact that they both got bc at such a young age makes me so nervous for me and my three girls. I know I have a few things going for me -- I am a healthy weight, I don't smoke or drink and I've had three children (nursed each 1 yr+) before the age of 30. However, if it's something in the family blood, what can I do?

I know there's no true rhyme or reason when it comes to breast cancer or cancer in general. But I want to be as thorough as possible and truly assess my risk. I am waiting to hear from a genetics counselor next week (she isn't in until Tuesday), but in the meantime wanted to check to see if anyone had any insight or similar experience.

>> I see a lot of focus on first degree relatives. I have been "extra worried" since my cousin's diagnosis. Should I be?

>> Could it just be coincidental that my mom and cousin got breast cancer young? Or from looking at the facts, can one conclude that the fact that "young breast cancer is uncommon" and that there are two in the same family, that there is a gene mutation?

>> Since my mom was only tested for those BRCA genes and it was almost twenty years ago, should she get tested for other genes?

>> If she ends up getting tested and the results are negative for any mutations, could it still mean that there is an unknown gene mutation in our family?

>> If my mom is clear of the genes, should I be tested to see if I may have inherited something that skipped a generation? Could something be passed from my mom to my daughters? // not sure how these kinds of genes work.

I would be so grateful for any and all information! I am so lost when it comes to all of this.

xo,
Sarah


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  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited March 2015

    Sarah - You are very wise to enlist the help of a genetic counselor. I would imagine they might go ahead and test you or your mom with one of the newer tests like Myriad's MyRisk that tests like 25 genes. My family has a sketchy history when it comes to BC, mom @ 27, aunt@ 42, me @ 51. So far I've only been tested for brca (neg). One can have an unknown mutation and new gene mutations are being discovered all the time. A mutation would not skip a generation but it may not present as BC in every person who has the mutation.

    Take things a step at a time. I am comforted by the thought that new advances to fight this disease are coming online every day to hopefully protect our daughters.

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited March 2015

    The Myriad test is not comprehensive - depending on your family heritage & ethnic background, Ambry's BreastNext panel might be something the genetic counselor would suggest that your mom and/or cousin have done. Your analysis would probably wait until their results were rec'd (rule of thumb is to examine a case with confirmed diagnosis first if available). Generally, minors are looked at once they turn 18 and can independently provide informed consent.

    I am so sorry to hear about the stage IV status of your mother, she's actually close to my age. As farmerlucy mentions, we have new treatment methods to utilize and I personally know of people surviving well for many years with bone or lung mets. Young onset is a possible indicator of mutation existence: insurance questions regarding screening should be fewer.

    It is overwhelming to consider all the ramifications but help in understanding and making decisions is out there. Any knowledge we gather now can be useful to those who follow. Once things settle down for you, the FORCE and PROMPT study websites are good to look at in terms of information and sharing experiences others have already gone through.

  • sarahsusername
    sarahsusername Member Posts: 82
    edited March 2015

    Thank you so much for your insight farmerlucy vlnrph

    As you both know, this whole thing has been such a trying experience for my mom and cousin as well as on the hearts of everyone involved. It is so unfortunate that bc can be so sneaky and that even with proven or not-proven mutations, it really has know true rhyme or reason.

    Even with my mom being diagnosed at 37, her first recurrence came ten years later at 47, she was cleared, and then it came back again at 55, first in the bone, now in the liver & surrounding the lungs. Breast cancer wouldn't leave her alone. She recently started the red devil and we're hoping this is the one to kick cancer's butt.

    Now it's a matter of getting her tested again, hopefully her insurance can cover a larger spectrum of genes as she has only been tested for the BRCA ones and that was decades ago.

  • tanyah
    tanyah Member Posts: 23
    edited March 2015

    Your family history is very similar to mine.  My Mom was diagnosed at Age 38 and a new primary cancer diagnosis in the other breast at Age 42.  Thankfully she has been cancer free since then and is 66 now.  I am so sorry your Mom has had to deal with ongoing recurrences.  My Mom is an only child so I have no aunts or cousins on that side of the family.  However, most of her aunts and cousins have had either breast, cervical or ovarian cancer.  There are definitely genetics at play here.  Although, like your Mom, she was tested in the 90s and came back negative for gene mutations.  Either the testing missed something or there are more gene mutations to be identified.  I was refused the option of genetic testing about 10 yrs ago because my Mom's testing was inconclusive.  I met with a genetic counsellor made the point that even if genetics were a factor for my Mom (which I am 100% certain they are) that I inherit 50% of my genes from my Dad.  So I had 50% chance of inheriting the mutation that still did not guarantee a breast cancer diagnosis, just a higher risk. 

    Fast forward 10 yrs and I was diagnosed this past Fall with Grade 3 (fast growing) Stage 3a (locally advanced) triple negative breast cancer at the Age of 37.  I am currently undergoing chemo treatment after a lumpectomy.  I will then have radiation and bilateral mastectomy.  My twin sister was also diagnosed with breast cancer in January 2015.  While we don't know her exact staging as she started with chemotherapy and not surgery, there was definitely lymph node involvement and a 5cm tumor so likely the same as mine.  This was after a clear mammogram in the Fall following my diagnosis.  (She was 35 weeks pregnant at the time so they induced labour and she delivered her son 5 weeks early so she could start chemo later that week  When she found out she was pregnant, I was hoping for a girl but I'm now so thankful for that little boy!!)  I was quite certain there were genetics involved prior to my diagnosis but I am now absolutely certain.  The doctors inability to identify the gene mutation only shows how much more there is to learn in this field.

    Everyone's feelings on the genetic testing and whether or not to take any proactive action are so personal and going to be based on your own experience.  I have a younger sister who is 35 and obviously very concerned.  Having grown up with a Mom who had a bilateral mastectomy with no reconstruction at my Age 13, I have never been particularly emotionally attached to my breasts.  I would have gladly done a preventative mastectomy with reconstruction had the genetic testing indicated that would be covered.  Unfortunately, it did not.  Having now suffered through some of my treatment, I told my sister that in her position I would have the preventative surgery even if the genetics cannot be identified and simply pay out of pocket.

    The genetic counsellor will definitely help provide a lot of insight.  Having said that, I went to my appointment feeling certain I would one day be diagnosed with breast cancer.  The geneticist very much downplayed my risk based on the stats and I now wish I had listened to my gut and pushed for more extensive testing.  Of course, hingsight is 20/20.  Feel free to PM me or post more here with any questions.  Our situations are very similar although I certainly hope the similarities end with our Moms. :)        

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited March 2015

    Tanyah, do call your genetics office again - much has changed, just in the past couple years. A decade ago, counseling would have been along the lines you describe but there is a lot more besides BRCA to be evaluated now. Insurance companies are supposed to be more liberal in covering testing because the Affordable Care Act induces them to count mutation detection as preventive therapy. Incredible that both you and your twin:identical? were diagnosed this close together. Enjoy that baby boy/sweet nephew.

    Sarah, with your mother's young(!) age, I think Adriamycin will be rough however she's already proven how tough she is. Be sure to ask for and get whatever side effect management medications she needs. The worst part for many has been nausea & vomiting which can be avoided or treated with the powerful new antiemetic drugs we have. Love your "tag" line...

  • sarahsusername
    sarahsusername Member Posts: 82
    edited March 2015

    Oh tanyah, thank you so much for chiming in here and sharing your story. Thank you so much for your kind words and insight from your experience. I am so glad to hear that your mom is cancer free today, but am so sorry for yours and your sister's recent diagnosis. Cancer is synonymous to "the end is near" to the outside world, but as we know, this doesn't have to be the case and I am glad that there are strides to better the treatment and chances for those involved. Sending prayers and well wishes to your family.

    I totally understand your younger sister's concern. Wow, we really do have a lot in common in that there seems to be a lot of girls in our family and the young diagnosis. I can't imagine what a whirlwind of emotion it must have been for you and your family (with a new nephew too, congrats!) this past year. And speaking of girls, my mom is one of four girls, I have five girl cousins, I have three daughters. I don't know how much all of that downplays in risk and genetics, but I do know that the fact that my mom and my cousin were both 37 during their initial diagnosis, doesn't seem to be good sign.. My gut leans to the fact that there is something in our genes, but to be honest, I tend to be an anxious/glass half full when it comes to chances so either way, it will be good if my mom can get tested with the wider spectrum soon. But like you said, even if she is negative, there are still mutations that have yet to be discovered. It's all such a weary experience. I'm sure that meeting with a genetic counselor to discuss our family's history in detail will provide better information and how I can be proactive now and in the future.

  • sarahsusername
    sarahsusername Member Posts: 82
    edited March 2015

    Thanks vlnrph! Yes, she is a tough woman for sure. I cannot imagine how it must've been to have gotten cancer three times, ughh. Such a sneaky beast. Her symptoms after taking adriamycin have been tough for sure. After the first week the nausea and pain haven't been bad at all. The thing that's been the worst for her is the shortness of breath and coughing, but that's due to the cancer (pleural effusion) so it's a matter of finding a chemo to help with that. After having successes with hormonal therapy for three years ('11-'14), they stopped working and cancer spread last summer and since then she has been on Gemzar, Taxol & Tacotere -- all of which did not help at all. We are praying hard and holding onto hope that Adriamycin is the one to shrink some of these tumors and dry up this effusion so she can finally breathe easy and actually have an uninterrupted night of sleep (it has literally been months since that's happened).


  • tanyah
    tanyah Member Posts: 23
    edited March 2015

    Yes, we are definitely working on the genetics some more.  We have an appointment for the end of April.  At this point, it will make little difference except for my younger sister.  We are in Canada so the medical system is a little different but we have definitely been offered the genetic counselling, even prior to mine and my sister's diagnosises.  My younger sister is in Denmark so she has started the genetic counselling there are well.  She will be home for a visit at the end of the month and taking back my blood samples with her for testing.  Will be interesting to see which country is faster (so far it appears Denmark!) and also if they end up with any different results. 

    Hoping your Mom continues to tolerate the Adriamycin and her cancer responds.  I definitely had a rough time with it but everyone is different.  And having said that, although it was tough, it was not as tough as I anticipated.

  • coolcat
    coolcat Member Posts: 7
    edited March 2015


    Sarah,

    I share a similar family history - with a negative genetic test for BRCA. My mother was diagnosed at the age of 36 (I was 13), and her mother (my grandmother) was diagnosed a few years after my mom. My dad's sister was diagnosed as well. This has certainly made an impact on my life. My mom passed away last year, but not from breast cancer; rather, from the complications that she had that affected her life forever. She did suffer many complications - lymphedema, and had heart issues from the radiation she received for her breast cancer. Her health overall was very compromised. My grandmother had the breast cancer come back. My aunt, so far, just once.

    After a year and a half of research, (and probably 20 years of "thinking about it"), meeting with surgeons, doing genetic counseling (twice),consulting with friends (who are MD's),  and some deep deep soul pondering, I decided to have a prophylactic bilateral mastectomy (nipple sparing). I'm 45 years old. I did this on December 1, 2014. Insurance has covered everything - and never asked me one question, or denied anything. I had immediate reconstruction, but did encounter a complication, which resulted in hyperbaric treatments, and ultimately an additional surgery to remove the left breast completely 18 days after my first surgery (the nipple/tissue didn't survive). A third surgery on January 21, 2015 placed a tissue expander. I am already expanded "to size" (650cc's) - final "fill" was last Thursday. (ouch). Now I just wait...and stretch...and then I will have an exchange surgery. The right side will also be revised on a separate surgery May 4th. It's a journey that is a little bit longer than I expected to be on, but I've never thought that I made a bad choice. And there has never been anything that I couldn't handle - or work into my regular life. I'm married, I have two kids - and this has been very real for them, but they said they are proud of me, which blew me away. They are helpful, and it's been a good source of love and comic relief, at times, too. It's brought all of us closer together, and truly made us a family team. I feel good, mostly, nothing so far has been awful, or unbearable. It's not easy, but it is/was do-able. However, I did my homework. I think that is what made me feel confident, even with the complication. I do wish I had found this entire website/forum earlier - because it is most helpful, and it's a comforting community, from what I have seen. That being said, this is my first post - Smile. I was moved by your post, and I wanted to share my thoughts. I think that you are moving in the right direction - starting first with a genetics counselor. I also made appointments with my ob/gyn, oncology surgeons, and plastic surgeons, just to discuss and get their perspective. It is a lot of information to sort through, but you will start to get some clarity.

  • sarahsusername
    sarahsusername Member Posts: 82
    edited March 2015

    Hi coolcat, thank you so much for sharing your story with me. Family history is serious matter and it sounds like you did an incredibly thorough job and spent a good deal of time thinking over your decisions which is great. Oftentime, especially in a lot of cases dealing with bc, knowledge is power and I know it was not an easy decision but I commend how you've been so proactive.

    I definitely want to be the same way. I am a bit anxious/excited to meet with this genetic counselor. She is only in a few times a week and there was a bit of delay getting the proper paperwork to her but I am looking forward to getting some real answers (my guesses have run wild) about my true risk.

    My mom has is in the middle of getting a referral for genetic testing (as i've mentioned, she has texted negative for both BRCA's in the past) and that will give me us more answers, although it would even be great to meet with a counselor for some peace of mind and insight to prepare myself for either kinds of test results.

    Thanks again for chiming in. All the best and well wishes & a smooth road to recovery!

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