December 2014 Surgery Sisters
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@Scottiemom - thanks for sharing. The cellulitis wasn't fun and then I was discharged home with the PICC and vanc. Now she wants to take me back to surgery on Feb 27 for exchange. Going for 2nd opinions.
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I had no post surgical issues, but the TEs are uncomfortable, I still block people when they come in for a hug, arms still feel different when I move them and child proof tops are still tough. I think I 'pulled something' a bit, when they tried to numb me for a fill me on Wed, and I jerked, so deep breaths on the left side hurt, from under ribs to neck/shoulders.
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Lmcqueen, i will tell you my whole story re the cellulitis: when I was in the hospital getting the abx, the PS thought about opening me back up and powerwashing out the infected side to keep me from losing the TE, but since I was responding to the abx, he decided against it. so, I went home and did the month of abx via the picc line (vanc and another one that stsrts w/ an M but I can't recall the name right off). Had the one drain on that side still in to keep an eye on the drainage (making sure it stayed clear, plus it was till over 30 cc per day). The Saturday before I was returning to work, the drain fell out on its own. At first the PS said just to keep gauze on it and come in for my scheduled appt that Wed. The next morning, he called me back worried because he dreamed about me all night and decided he wanted to go ahead w/ the powerwashing. So, I went to the hospital on Monday for outpatient surgery where he opened me back up on my right side, powerwashed it all out and put in a new TE and new drain. Came back home and stayed home for another week. My original plan was being out for 4 weeks w/ the BMX - the hospital stay pushed it to 5 weeks, then the second sx pushed it to 6 weeks.
My PS decided to take his time on everything to let me heal up well and go very slowly taking things one at a time to lessen the chances of more problems and possibly losing the TE. My BMS was 7/30 when he did fill the TE some, and I did not have my first fill outside the sx until late Sept I believe (I'll have to go back and look at my old posts and I have forgotten so much!). 2 weeks later I was supposed to get another one, but he said I didn't look ready enough for one (skin was still shiny), so I waited another 2 weeks and got the second (and final!) fill on 10/30 I think. We then did the exchange on 12/19. He would have done it the first week of Dec, but I wanted it close to Christmas so I could use my 3 holiday days off and save my sick leave. So all in all, it took me almost 5 months from BMX to exchange.
I personally would not rush things, and I definitely agree on a second opinion in your case.
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I know those of you who've had infections like cellulitis are nervous about subsequent surgeries. I had a very bad infection after the BMX that caused permanent damage. I also was discharged with a PICC and Vancomycin. I was petrified that it could happen again but it didn't and you probably won't get another infection either. The odds are on your side.
My PS decided to put me on Vanc in the OR during my next three surgeries - just in case. I had a PICC put in the day before each of these procedures. For surgery #5 I went in for my usual PICC placement and it couldn't be put in because of scar tissue from the previous four times. They put it into an alternate area, I think it's called the cephalic vein. It's located towards the back of your upper arm and is NOT fun to have put in due to all the nerves in that area. Ask for lots of lidocaine. For the last surgery I had to go without a PICC since they had exhausted the possible locations to put it in. Although I got Vanc through my IV as an inpatient, I was sent home with a different one - an oral antibiotic. That was nerve-wracking but there were no problems at all.
Infections happen...but they aren't destined to repeat themselves.
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Today I went to yoga and was celebrating getting my range back at last. No more cording or tight bands. Yoga and massage have been the best things possible! It feels so good I went with a mask on as it is week 2 with the chemo journey, but I didn't want to miss it. Between the mask, my flat chest, and my buzz cut waiting for the hair to fall out, I was a sight, but I don't care! Celebrating being alive!
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Chloesmom, it's so good to see your post and learn that you have made such huge progress. Good for you girl! I'm celebrating along with you.
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When I saw my hospital charges for BMx I found out that they gave me both Vancomycin and Gentamycin. I really thought that was going overboard but seeing the posts here I now understand why.
Chloesmom - I've been going back to the gym for about three weeks now. Getting more mobility and feeling less exhausted. Now, if I could only get back to sleeping on my side. Still hurts.
Scottie
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I started Lupron Jan. 13 and I had my 4th shot today. The SE I've noticed most is pimples, which go nicely with my wrinkles . I take AB's when they start popping up. I take Effexor for hot flashes. I also started Aromasin Feb 3 and I get joint aches from that.
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Ginger - you are still on Herceptin, that could be the joint aches. I haven't started any hormone treatments yet, but I have horrible joint pain. How old are you? My MO wants to do tamoxifen instead of OS and AIs. I think I might get a second opinion on that. I'm 49, but was mensing every 28 days when I went into chemopause. BTW - is the Effexor helping with them? I'm so stiff I have to do about 5 min of rocking back and forth, in bed before I can get out.
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Gingercake, that sounds like a high dose of Lupron. I'm only getting monthly shots so #2 next week. MO said I could switch to every 3 months but said SEs are worse with the bigger dose and comments here seem to say the same. You're doing well if no other SEs.
Scottie
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I do not recommend the one shot - lasts three months - type of Lupron. Talk about instant menopause & all the side effects. But it did shrink my tumor amazingly so I guess it was worth it.
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I'm 47 (48 in April). I had regular periods until I started chemo too. I can't take Tamoxifen because I'm at risk for blood clots. My oncologist is doing the Lupron shots every 3 weeks in conjunction with my Herceptin treatment. However, after this last shot, I now have a rash all over my body. I'm assuming it's the Lupron because I've never had a reaction to or SE's from Herceptin. I'm going to ask him to change it to once a month and deal with making an extra trip there. The Effexor works well for me. I hardly have any hot flashes during the day. I still wake up from time to time feeling overheated but I'm not waking up bathed in sweat. My doc specifically mentioned joint pain with the Aromasin. I feel like an 80 yr old woman when I try to start moving but I'm ok once I get going.
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Hi ladies,
I found out that Herceptin is the more likely cause of the rash. The worst of it was below my knees on my calves and ankles but it spread up both legs, my lower abdomen, and my back. This was my 9th treatment of Herceptin and I've never had anything like it. It took about 11-12 days for it to completely go away. I'm just curious if any of you have experienced this? If so, did it happen more than once?
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Ginger, so glad you finally found out what was causing the problem. I've never heard of it before.
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NEW NORMAL
You are certain to feel sheer joy and relief at the end of breast cancer treatment!
Whew, you think, I finally made it to the end of a long and painful process! Ending treatment is definitely a reason to celebrate and you probably can hardly wait to return to life as "normal!"
But, you may quickly find out that life as you knew it before treatment just isn't the same.
Gone is the safety net of a team of doctors, nurses, technicians, and other means of support that are no longer there for you on a daily or weekly basis.
Family, friends, and employers may have high expectations that you will be the same person you were before treatment. You will probably have the same high expectations of yourself.
However, cancer is a life-altering experience and you will most likely be faced with establishing a new "normal" as a breast cancer survivor.
3A myriad of things may present themselves at the end of treatment and it's quite typical to go through an adjustment period. Experts estimate that it takes as long for you to rebound from treatment as it did for you to go through treatment.
However, we are each different and it may take weeks, months, or even years to make the adjustment.
It's myriad of things may present themselves at the end of treatment and it's quite typical to go through an adjustment period. Experts estimate that it takes as long for you to rebound from treatment as it did for you to go through treatment*. However, we are each different and it may take weeks, months, or even years to make the treatment.
But there are also positive things that can happen at the end of treatment. You may appreciate life more, become more spiritual, change how you think about life, reduce your stress at work and at home, adopt healthier eating and sleeping habits, and you may even decide to channel your energy into becoming a breast cancer advocate or become a source of support to others who have been just diagnosed or are undergoing treatment.
The biggest thing you need to give yourself is adequate time to heal and adjust. Be reasonable with your expectations and be kind to yourself.
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quiggy - Amen! My new normal is not normal However, it is a normal I can live with.
For those of you suffering hot flashes, I'd like to recommend the Chillow. Yes, as advertised on TV. No, I'm not a paid spokesperson
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I got it at Bed, Bath & Beyond for $7.99 and it has been money well spent. I leave it on the floor by my bed at night and when I'm woken up by a hot flash, I reach down and pull it across my stomach, cloth side down, and rest my arms on the slick side. I don't really like having it on my pillow because I'm a side sleeper and the cold makes my ear hurt. Plus, I don't have a lot of hair on my head and it makes my head too cold. I've tried it in my pillowcase but because I'm a side sleeper, it makes crinkly noises that make it hard to fall asleep. BUT, it does cool me down when I need it, and I'm able to fall back asleep easily.
It's worth a try, hope it helps.
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Gingercake How long after Herceptin did you get the rash. I have a patch of eczema that came about 7-10 days after it (I think). Also, I'm a 90 year old woman (actually 49) from the Herceptin, I'm not on anything else yet. So it might be the AI or Herceptin.
This 'after' time does suck... I was very optimistic during the entire treatment and surgery, but now find myself falling into a type of mild depression. I find the Herceptin arthritis, might be part of it, as well as the constant ear ringing. I guess I thought all would be normal... except in my case, with tissue expander boobs... Also hearing my husband say all is normal and I'm better just irks me. I guess it is comforting to him to think that, but I'm still recovering. I still need help, I still can't open child proof caps...
Cooling pillow - I have this one from Costco. One side normal, the other cooling. It doesn't make any noise. It has a 'new' smell when you get it. I opened it and let it air out for a few days before using it. My daughter (age 11) loves it and bought the contouring one with her allowance. If you have surgery coming up, get the contouring one, it is lighter. For me, I go to sleep on the non cooling side and flip when I need to the cooling. I also sleep in a sleep cap (little to no hair from chemo also) and a sleep eye mask. It helps to keep the cap on my head and I find I'm still sensitive to stimulation, so I also wear ear plugs, and it helps to keep them in too. http://www.costco.com/Comfort-Revolution-Hydraluxe™-Gel-Memory-Foam-Blue-Waves-Bed-Pillow.product.100012596.html
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knmtwins - my rash started to appear within 6-8 hours of treatment. My back was itching like crazy but I thought it was dry skin. I had my husband put some lotion on it. I just so happened to have a dermatologist appt the next day. When she was checking me over, it had popped up on my legs, abdomen, and back. When I asked my husband if he had noticed anything the night before, he said he thought it looked like that because I'd been scratching it. Sigh.
My exchange surgery is scheduled for 3/26 so I will likely give the contour pillow a try. Anything for comfortable, uninterrupted sleep! As for opening tops, opening anything makes my hands really hurt.
I understand the mild depression/feeling down. Completing chemo and getting through surgery are such big milestones that I sort of thought everything would be smooth sailing after that. I never put any thought into the amount of adjusting that would be taking place afterwards, and well, reality is a bitch! It's difficult because a lot of the support we get during treatment sort of drifts away because we're "better" now. And I am, except when I'm not - just like you said.
I plan on discussing this with my MO at my next appt. I don't think I need (and don't want) an anti-depressant but I do want him to be aware. Have you had a chance to talk with your dr about this?
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Just checking in since my exchange on 12/19. Still have a little LE in my left arm. My left boob is still kinda hard, not sure if it's LE or the pec still being tight. I see the PS Wed for a followup so I will see what he says. The one spot where I had a stitch poking out finally closed up (right side).
I think I will just have to give up on side sleeping. Lying on my left causes my right boob (cancer side) to hurt; lying on my right is OK for awhile until both my arms go numb. Sleeping on my back causes lower back pain, so I have to put pillows under my knees to take the pressure off my back. That's not working as well lately, so I may have to splurge on one of those adjustable beds. Sleeping in the hospital bed w/ the legs/knees raised felt great on my back!
Had my big 5-0 Saturday. Normally I hate birthdays, but just making it there this time after my diagnosis made it OK to celebrate.
First Bday w/o my mother, though, so it was kinda sad anyway. She wasn't much on bdays, either, but she always sent me a card and $20.
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Quiggy:definitely the new norm. The most frustrating thing for me is trying to get back into shape. 13 weeks post BMx and I still cant lift free weights over 5 pounds (without pain anyway). I still get exhausted by the end of the week, though I'm sure the Tamox and Lupron don't help. Also having to take Gabapentin for nerve pain which won't go away. It'll come on suddenly even when I'm out and about.
Straitlover: I had to buy a total body pillow. It wraps around me and props up my head, arms and legs. I'm like you. Can't side sleep due to BMx and can't back sleep due to old lower back injury.
Gingercake: I've been joking with DH about keeping an ice pack at the bedside. I am soooo going straight from here to Amazon to order a Chillow 😸
Scottie
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I just found this group. I really wish I had done so much earlier...I pretty much went through this journey cold and on my own. That's not because I didn't know there were resources and people out there to help, I think I was in such denial and I crawled into my own little shell. Is it weird that I'm now finally coming out of it?
I count myself very lucky, my story was a good one. The only real issues I'm having now is a wonky TE (you can find my post on that) and basically waiting on my exchange surgery to see what happens with the newly approved larger silicone implants. It's just a waiting game at this point. I will say on the side where they took the lymph nodes, I'm having a really hard time with arm pain around my elbow and forearm. Normal? I religiously did the stretches and exercises. I have tried getting back into the gym to my previous weightlifting routine, but it just is not happening. I will say I'm excited, just bought a bike last week, and I'm slowly training to do a large breast cancer benefit ride in September.
Nice to "meet" fellow December surgery gals. Even if it's WAY after Decenber 2014. :-)
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Hi Mel0rama! Welcome!
I'm so sorry you went through any part of this alone. BS is so difficult, we need each other.
Hopefully you're beginning to feel a little stronger. It takes so long! Did you go through radiation?
I'm trying to slowly work up to longer work outside too. It's a challenge! So far I've only managed 15 minutes for cardio/weights.
Your arm pain is likely normal but suggest you check with your BS. I had only 6 nodes removed, compared to yours and I have ongoing pain. My BS warned that could happen but it's not like we had a choice, right!!!
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Mel0 - we are conversing on other topics and I never paid attention to your date. As the 'owner' of this topic, I'm sorry. I've added you.
Ladies who have just started Tamoxifen... are you exhausted? I started 2 weeks ago, and I'm noticing that.
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Welcome MelOrama. This thread is nearly as active as it was but we still have a core group who comes to support each other. Glad you have made it through the tough part but sorry you did it alone. It's better with friends.
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Hello ladies! I am not sure why I never found this board before, but I guess since I had surgery in Dec. 14 that this is a good place for me. May will be 6 months post surgery and I have an appt. w/ BS, as I am sure many of you do as well. Does anyone know what that visit will entail?
Knmtwins- I have just started my second bottle of tamoxifen, which has been causing some sleeping issues
I have worked my way up on the workout routine, one day at a time. The arm where the nodes were removed does feel like there is a string being pulled tightly at times. I use to lift weights 2 times a week, but haven't worked up to that yet. Quiggy, you are right, we didn't have a choice..
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I do feel a little more tired since starting Tamoxifen but have been waking up at 4ish although able to go back to bed.
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I met with the plastic surgeon yesterday, I am going to have surgery to replace the right expander which seems to have a very slow leak. Also, the AlloDerm obviously come apart all around the right breast and partially on the side on the left. So he will repair that as well. The best part? I will have drains again. I am SO excited. (Yes. That was sarcasm.)
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I made a drain cami and it made drains better.
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Had my genetic counseling session today. Now will wait until next month for the results. Still trying to adjust to the lupron+tamox combo and still having nerve pain. But I'm back to the gym for very light weights and ramping it up on the treadmill. I sooo want to be in shape for exchange in mid-July. Hope all are well here. This board saved my sanity when recovery from BMx.
Scottie
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Scottiemom11 - glad we have helped! Are you in a clinical trial? I've never heard of lupron + tamox, but it's not like I'm an oncologist, so I'm sure there are all sorts of combinations I'm unaware of. I always thought with lupron, you went on an AI, not tamox.
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